Marvel did deny that report at the time as well as Evans. This is the first “official” confirmation
Gemnist2025-12-18 23:53
It wasn’t confirmed at the time that Evans would be Steve specifically, and considering RDJ / Doom there was plenty of reason to doubt one way or the other.
pichukirby2025-12-19 00:19
This is official confirmation. Different from reporting insider info
sympathyofalover2025-12-18 23:39
If not captain America, why captain America shaped?
I haven’t seen any of the leaked info, but glad to see this more or less confirmed. I feel like they just want as much nostalgia as possible.
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-18 23:46
Evans easily could have screentime similar to Infinity War which was low but still a significant part of the plot. He could have done that without much time on set.
And yeah this movie is definitely about the nostalgia.
It has to be original Cap right? Not a variant? That’s how nostalgia gets maxed out.
sympathyofalover2025-12-18 23:48
Maybe he’ll be playing both variant and OG. I’m hoping it’s a complex storyline, I feel like there’s a lot of room here for them to play around
FrankReynoldsCPA2025-12-18 23:53
Might be going the Pet Sematary route here.
feetandballs2025-12-19 00:41
Weekend at Bernie's. He'll have a boombox taped to his shield and dance-fight.
19thScorpion2025-12-18 23:54
I feel like he's not going to suit up at all. I think he's just going to be "Steve Rogers". The teaser said "Steve Rogers" will return.
Unless he's an evil variant.
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-19 00:37
I would be willing to bet $1000 that he won’t *only* be an evil variant.
Marvel is in trouble and is slamming that nostalgia button. OG Steve is going to be back - and maybe an evil variant too. But definitely not only an evil variant.
19thScorpion2025-12-19 00:56
If they do that then I will tell marvel to kiss my ass. Instead of pushing forward with the array of characters they introduced in the MV saga (ie Sam as Cap) they give into the gate keeping crybabies that only want people like Steve and Tony to be leads in these films.
Sam is Cap now. It would be a slap in the face to have Steve suit up again as Cap because he obviously would totally overshadow Sam.
Marc_Quill2025-12-19 00:38
Could you imagine if they had Hydra Cap in this?
ovayya2025-12-19 02:10
doom punishes him for the implications of time travel
chickenkebaap2025-12-19 00:30
Could be a time travelling Nomad?
I know they already did Nomad in IW , but they could respin it again
Thanathan72025-12-18 23:41
Maybe not post the spoiler in the title? I just saw it in theaters and was so happy!
LollipopChainsawZz2025-12-18 23:47
When it's coming from the studio it's not a spoiler. They want it known he's back.
General_Johnny_Rico2025-12-19 00:08
It’s still a spoiler, whether they want it spoiled or not
storksghast2025-12-19 00:09
It's not how this sub works.
NervousAd32022025-12-19 00:28
This is how they’re marketing the movie so no it’s really not
By this logic RDJ as Doom is a spoiler too
nicolasb519420032025-12-18 23:56
It was gonna be announced either way before the trailers drop online.
Jajaloo2025-12-18 23:56
People try cancel Variety everytime they post a spoiler headline. I don't know what multiverse everyone else is living in, but at this point it's quite obvious Disney and Marvel Studios WANT this out there.
The same thing happened with the Harry Styles cameo. They obviously want more eyeballs on their film by putting that out into the trades.
regalfronde2025-12-19 00:01
How did you see it in theaters?
nlh10132025-12-19 00:10
Yeah i'm kind of annoyed! I did not want to know this
Linnus422025-12-19 00:32
If it comes from Variety then it aint a Spoiler.
nicolasb519420032025-12-18 23:43
"If you mess with time, it tends to mess back. You'll see."
AceofKnaves442025-12-18 23:52
That line is definitely going to be a theme of Doomsday. Maybe even that Tony is the one who says it to Steve.
Seand7682025-12-18 23:57
Could see it being used in the full trailer, just like Tony's speech from Age of Ultron was in the Endgame trailer "That up there, that's the Endgame, how do you plan on stopping it?"
Moorepork2025-12-19 00:13
"What is this, some kind of Quantummania?"
wave-tree2025-12-19 00:44
I am Iron Man 3.
St0n3yM33rkat2025-12-19 00:48
*Meanwhile off camera*
Ralph--Hinkley2025-12-19 01:02
And you people, you're all astronauts, like some kind of Guardians of the Galaxy?
SinisterDexter832025-12-19 02:04
"You know what day today is for the Avengers? Doomsday."
Doompatron30002025-12-19 02:09
Canadian-Cornbread2025-12-19 02:17
We’re in the Avengers: Endgame now!
St0n3yM33rkat2025-12-19 03:04
You break the rules and become the hero. I do it and I become the enemy. That doesn't seem fair. -Doom
Clamsadness2025-12-19 00:47
So that’s what we are, huh? Some kind of a Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings?
multi-972025-12-19 00:51
*someone meeting Sylvie* Who are you? A variant of Loki???
😭
lath222025-12-19 00:59
It truly was, a Shawshank Redemption
mrdangerzone2025-12-19 02:15
Imakemaps182025-12-19 01:36
relikter2025-12-19 04:12
"Say the line, Ben!"
"It's Morbin' time!"
OnlinePosterPerson2025-12-19 01:09
I prefer the line from the avengers one that they used in the sequel trailer. I’ll never forget it:
“We’re in the Age of Ultron now” cue spooky music.
Shivers.
db_blast72025-12-19 00:05
It would be impossible to prove, but I’m curious if doom as Rdj was planned further back. Give RDJ a few planned years off, along with Chris Evans and then come back and fire the very loaded chekov gun.
It’s been scratching my brain how poignant that line was said in endgame , but how little time travel that we’ve seen. ~~F4 had near light speed travel, but that didn’t seem to have any time dilation in the movie.~~
Idk.
Would be cool to find it was connected, and with how well thought out the infinity saga was, it would be nice to know all the wildness that burned me out the last few years could make me feel that magic again of ‘I am iron man’ was, and iron man was my least favorite avenger by far
Edit: Remembered F4 wrong. I still feel like the time dilation should have been larger.
FuckingInSeggs2025-12-19 00:06
maybe they were thinking about bringing RDJ back originally, but then majors’ got into trouble and so they decided to go in full
throttle with the idea
LewisRyan2025-12-19 00:37
This.
I think they wanted to pivot to kang for a while, let things settle, try some new stuff, and then bring out the big guns for doom.
Of course that all had to be rushed up quite a bit
jcoleman102025-12-19 00:10
It did have time dilation, they were gone “for months.”
db_blast72025-12-19 00:13
Whoops my bad. I’ve only watched it once and didn’t remember it.
dem0nhunter2025-12-19 00:12
I think RDJ and Evans were always slated to be back for Secret Wars at least as variants.
Maybe even for Kang Dynasty as Kang would have his own set of manipulated multiverse heroes fight for him.
AceofKnaves442025-12-19 00:17
I think they were always going to come back in some form. I think they both committed themselves so fully to the MCU that the plan was get the Infinity Saga to the finish line and then take a break. Evans I feel like has always wanted to be seen as a real actor and not just a movie star. And RDJ hadn’t done anything but Marvel from 2014 through 2019. I’m sure there were conversations had where it was “this isn’t goodbye for good or closing the door but just walking away for a bit and leaving the door open.” That’s why they never fully elaborated on Steve’s ultimate fate. Was RDJ as the big bad of the next saga planned? I don’t think so. I don’t think they announce Kang Dynasty as the next Avengers title and then announce Majors as Kang, have him play a huge role in two seasons of Loki, and be the bad guy in Ant-Man with a huge open ended ending and a big tease of him coming back. I think the combination of the MCU falloff plus Majors’ monumental legal fuckup pushed them into a corner where they needed an out. RDJ has said he was talking to Feige and the Russo’s about a way back before 2024. If the Kang Dynasty was still going forward as planned I don’t know that he comes back for both movies or in a huge part, but he was always gonna be back in some form. But I think eventually those conversations turned into “what if we rework this story and Doctor Doom is now the new final boss.” It seems like he really has an amazing relationship with Feige and the Russo’s and then 150 million dollars is also really hard to turn down.
I don’t believe this was always the plan. But there is a universe where they can make this work and have us think it was if it all works as well as possible. Remember the clanging sound at the end of the Endgame credits? What if the end of Tony Stark resulted in the birth of Doctor Doom somewhere out there in the multiverse and that clanging was the sound of him building his armor? Plus lines like this.
FictionFantom2025-12-19 00:39
It’s also worth remembering that Kang himself only became the big bad of the saga once Majors impressed Marvel during filming of Loki. They didn’t go into that show with the intention of setting up the next Avengers big bad.
So what if they had an idea for who the big bad was going to be before they changed their mind and decided to go with Kang? Who would that have been?
They were developing projects with Fox-owned IP before the deal was closed. They saw the writing on the wall, and internal planning like that is perfectly legal according to the law. They’ve done this before with the two versions of Civil War’s script that hindered on Spider-Man’s inclusion.
So why *wouldn’t* they think about Doom as the big bad for Secret Wars?
AceofKnaves442025-12-19 00:51
That’s a fair point. But think how much time went into setting up Thanos. We got the teaser in Avengers that he was out there and had set up the attack on New York. Then they announced him and had him cameo in Guardians where his motives got fleshed out. They took an unexpected turn with Ultron but then still had him show up at the end to tell us he was coming. There was never even a hint of Doom this time. To be fair there also wasn’t really one for Kang either outside of Loki and Ant-Man. Just lots of threats of “SOMETHING is coming.” We know NOTHING about Doom before his first appearance. Thanos got fleshed out in Infinity War sure but we knew who he was, what he had been behind while he was behind the scenes, his motives to a degree and what he was looking for. Like it’s very possible if Doom is meant to be a layered character that that could feel very rushed and skated over since it’s meant to happen during a movie with thirty other characters.
NervousAd32022025-12-19 00:21
I could see it where they wanted to bring RDJ back as a villainous variant but the Majors stuff caused them to just say fuck it & go all in
FictionFantom2025-12-19 00:25
Kevin Feige contacted RDJ in late **2022** about playing Doom. This was *after* announcing Kang Dynasty and *before* Quantumania released and Majors was arrested and charged.
Joe Russo publicly pitched Secret Wars *with Fox-owned IP* back in 2018 before the Fox deal was finalized. He even specifically mentioned Marvel making “**surprising casting decisions**”.
Marvel was also developing projects based around the multiverse before the Fox deal was finalized. So no matter what happened with that, *some version* of Secret Wars was always going to happen.
Lastly, prior to the pandemic, these Avengers movies were supposed to come out last year and this year, respectively. The gap between Avengers movies was never meant to be this big.
All of this is easily found with some googling and when you piece it all together, RDJ and Evans returning was always more than plausible, regardless of what happened and how well received (or not) this saga ended up being.
People will claim this is “damage control” or “desperation” because their cynicism and Marvel’s spotty record these last few years is clouding their judgement.
What I think happened was certain Disney/Marvel execs wanted to push Majors/Kang for the awards and prestige, and Feige wanted Doom for the fans. Hence the chaotic year of 2022 where they announced Kang and contacted RDJ about Doom. Thus, two Avengers movies gives both sides what they wanted.
Doom was always the final boss.
Tetracropolis2025-12-19 00:46
Nothing about the post-Endgame MCU reflects any kind of plan. Endgame was clearly planned as an ending and they were clearly going in a very different direction in respect of Kang.
Of course they all know that they can bring people back. I'm sure there would have been ideas floating around, maybe this was one of them, but the idea that it was setting this up is seeing patterns where there aren't any.
Zoulogist2025-12-19 01:49
I will mess with time, I will!
HankSteakfist2025-12-18 23:44
Good.
Steve was one of the best characters in the MCU. Sidelining both him and Tony and Natasha post Endgame was honestly disappointing and felt like the movies were missing something without his presence.
DownByTheRivr2025-12-18 23:56
Sidelining? You did watch the movie right? You know what happens to them, yes?
academydiablo2025-12-18 23:58
What do you mean sidelining? Those characters had their stories ended. If anything it’s weird to bring them back because of that. And the MCU movies post Endgame missing presence is on the MCU for not taking better care of the new characters and generation of leads with lackluster movies and stories, or waiting a long time to circle back to them
Switch8152025-12-18 23:59
Lol. Did you watch Endgame?
latunza2025-12-19 00:14
No. The movies weren’t missing them. Good writing, cohesive direction is what was/is lacking. Dr. Strange and Sam were suppose to be the main Marvel leads after Peter was a off limit following the Sony fallout after SM 2. But Feige overstuffed the universe with no anchor character because of the push to sell disney+ and get more characters, no set of rotating figures for audience to fall in love with. Just throwing everything and see what sticks. None of it stuck because they never gave audiences reason to attach to these characters. So Iger put his foot down and asked every team (all disney studios have failing products for the same reason) to do damage control and we get the tired cap-thor rdj, toy story 5, frozen 3-4, etc. to further destroy these franchises like Star Wars. Nothing is more evident than a Moana live action movie in 2026 when Moana 2 just came out in 2024.
Imagine if they gave Sam an actual good movie and not a stitched up Frankenstein of Hulk member-berries, Dr. Strange sequel, and slowly fade out older characters while properly introducing new ones instead of: Here you go do what you want with it.
AsteroidMike2025-12-18 23:45
Possibly a variant Captain America?
joeesmhoo2025-12-18 23:48
No it’s the same cap from the main universe he went back in time and lived a life with Peggy and that’s why he came back as an old man. We have old man cap in the mcu. A great theory I’ve been hearing is old man cap already knows the events of doomsday
The_Scouse_Templaa2025-12-18 23:55
"No I....don't think I will"
Would have such a greater meaning if this turns out true. Would be down for that.
rckjr2025-12-19 00:02
Agreed.
wildeebelmondo2025-12-18 23:47
Thanks a lot. Was going to see avatar in a few hours.
_AlexandraCherry62025-12-18 23:51
As Steve Rogers*
shogi_x2025-12-18 23:52
Cool, thanks for ruining the surprise I guess.
FictionFantom2025-12-19 00:17
Reddit rules are the headline must match the headline from the article.
This isn’t supposed to be a secret. Marvel wants you to know this.
shogi_x2025-12-19 00:24
And as I've often lamented during a Marvel trailer, "that would've been a cool surprise"
NervousAd32022025-12-19 00:26
Unfortunately they don’t have enough good will among general audiences to do surprises rn.
I’m sure they will have some but they need to get ppl interested in this movie enough to go to theaters. They’re main priority rn is reinvigorating the franchise.
eightb1t2025-12-19 00:39
I wish social media and people in general could just let things happen.
Everyone needs their fucking scoop.
FrankReynoldsCPA2025-12-18 23:54
Imagine how annoying every interview for the next year will be for Scarlett Johansson.
nicolasb519420032025-12-18 23:57
Scarlett's probably serious about being done with Marvel considering she's gonna be in The Batman 2 and a bunch of other projects in the coming years.
FrankReynoldsCPA2025-12-19 00:03
Yeah but that doesn't mean they aren't going to relentlessly ask her about it as the last of the OG's that isn't confirmed to return.
RandomGuy23102025-12-19 00:14
Ruffalo and Renner haven’t been confirmed yet either
hovdeisfunny2025-12-19 00:25
But neither of them is going to be in the DCEU soon
FrankReynoldsCPA2025-12-19 00:29
Fair point. I was probably mixed up with "OG's who were killed off in Endgame".
codithou2025-12-19 00:40
cap didn’t die in endgame (i get your point i’m just poking fun)
ckal092025-12-19 03:27
This man keep taking Ls lmao
North_Development_362025-12-19 00:43
But the former's in Spider-Man and the latter's talked about doing Hawkeye season 2 if they up his pay offer.
dean158922025-12-19 01:04
Well, Ruffalo's in Spider-man, so it could be the same as like a Civil War/ Ragnarok scenario.
They also have other Hulks now
AceofKnaves442025-12-19 00:33
If Secret Wars really is the grand resetting of the MCU like it seems like they’re positioning it to be where it’s the ending of the first stage of the MCU before they eventually softly reboot it, I’ll be very shocked if they don’t get the OG six together one final time to pay tribute.
Taftimus2025-12-19 01:33
I really don’t even know how they’re going to ‘soft reboot’ it. I’d be more than happy to be wrong, but I feel like they are bringing back the original actors/characters because people are having a hard time resonating with the new characters they’re introducing. I feel like they lost the casual audience.
AceofKnaves442025-12-19 01:47
I think one of the “endgames” (no pun intended) of Secret Wars is that now that they own just about all of their characters is to establish one MASSIVE continuity under the Marvel banner. Everything that’s ever come out in film or tv and features a Marvel character is canon amidst the infinite multiverse. That explains why there’s so many Hulks or Spider-Men. That I’m very confident about. My guess on the reset or soft reboot is that in Secret Wars part of the ending will be a sort of implosion throughout the multiverse. Characters will scatter or reset amidst the multiverse. And at the end the main MCU universe will have been hit with a sort of “restart.” Some characters will carry over and be thrown back into that universe but they’ll be thrown into a blank canvas. That’ll explain why now there’s mutants that have been around the whole time.
DoctorJJWho2025-12-19 02:50
Your reasoning is pretty solid - I mean, each of the new heroes had a single movie that they debuted in, then basically never heard from again. Shang-Chi (and maybe a few others) could’ve been the face of the post-Endgame phases, but we haven’t seen him since his own movie, which is such a waste of a good character and actor. There’s so little connection to even make with the new characters.
zhiryst2025-12-19 00:52
Considering she had to sue The Mouse to get paid properly for Black Widow, probably really seals the end of her MCU career more than anything else.
FrankReynoldsCPA2025-12-19 01:34
Except she's still working with Disney and was an executive producer on Thunderbolts.
If she's done for good with Black Widow, it's because she's tired of the role.
_Levitated_Shield_2025-12-19 01:47
Pretty sure she's still working with them on a Tower of Terror film too iirc.
WeaselWeaz2025-12-19 02:37
Sometimes executive producer credits carry over from other films. Since she was EP on Black Widow and Thunderbolts used characters from that film, including as the lead, Disney may have been contractually obligated to give her an EP credit even if she didn't do anything on Thunderbolts.
HorsNoises2025-12-19 04:42
She's said before that there's no bad blood. She sued because Black Widow was released immediately on streaming and she was supposed to get a cut of the box office. Covid wasn't anyone's fault and it was a tough decision that had to be made and it was made by people who couldn't possibly grasp the full picture, no one could've.
multi-972025-12-19 00:53
There was a rumour all the Avengers would come back as evil variants, but I believe Scarlett's not going to return
Cute_Source54172025-12-19 00:41
there's a reason shes jumping to DC suddenly lol
multi-972025-12-19 00:54
Scarlett is going to be in DC now??? I only knew about James gunn and his success with it /gen
dean158922025-12-19 01:05
She is pretty much confirmed to be in Batman 2
Midnight_Oil_2025-12-19 01:40
It's seems plain that Scarlett left in part because Marvel didn't want to pay her her rate going forward.
mad_titanz2025-12-19 06:52
It's Disney, not Marvel who didn't want to pay her; Feige was on ScarJo's side.
crimsonf1sh2025-12-18 23:54
He had the perfect ending, why even touch that?
Weaponised__Autism2025-12-18 23:57
Hail Mary to save the franchise
brahbocop2025-12-19 00:00
I’m fine with it as long as he doesn’t get killed off. He’s earned the happy ending so he better get one still.
DaHyro2025-12-19 00:00
Money
EAGLE-EYED-GAMING2025-12-19 00:00
“When you mess with time, it tends to mess back”
Jaychel312025-12-19 00:11
But he still gets that ending. They established you can’t rewrite your own past
Sunny-Chameleon2025-12-19 00:14
Maybe they take old man Steve , run him through the time machine to rejuvenate him and that way both things can be true
hovdeisfunny2025-12-19 00:25
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RedditorStig2025-12-19 00:27
Superhero comic hero logic. What more to say
hovdeisfunny2025-12-19 00:28
So just, like, literally handwave it away? They're usually at least internally consistent
Lumpy_Pants1012025-12-19 00:35
Well they did turn Scott Lang into a tween, baby, and elderly, and the back to adult. Soo the precedent is there lol
NotAStatistic22025-12-19 00:34
Did you not watch Endgame? Banner functionally invents immortality while trying to send Lang back in time. I'm surprised the implications of immortality now being a possibility hasn't been explored more.
Odbody_AS22025-12-19 00:36
Instead of pushing Rogers through time, push time through Rogers.
Lord-of-Time2025-12-19 00:39
Endgame had the scene where Scott ended up as a baby when they test the time machine because “time was moving through him” rather than “him moving through time”. It’s not brought up again for the rest of the movie and doesn’t fit with the Quantum Realm explanation but it’s there.
Popular_Sir8632025-12-19 00:44
They literally turn Antman into a baby, an old man, and back to normal again. I suggest you rewatch Endgame because it's a pretty big scene.
Emm_withoutha_L-882025-12-19 23:02
Easiest out is the old man Steve already went through all of this and knew he had to give Sam the shield after Endgame in order to set it all into action. So the old man at the end of Endgame has already lived through the events of Doomsday and knew to not say anything to mess up the new timeline.
Little lame but it works. Time travel is annoying like that. Janeway was right, as always.
SinisterDexter832025-12-19 02:17
Just bring everyone back, fuck it. Might as well. Tony Stark. Black Widow. Uncle Ben. Peter Quill's mum. That guy Tony Stark was in a terrorist cave with. Is Loki alive or dead right now? Fuck it, kill him again and bring him back again. Bring back Stan Lee in a really tasteless AI cameo.
Have Marvel ever had a meaningful death they didn't retcon somehow? Death .eans nothing in the MCU. It's basically a revolving door. Black Widow is apparently the only one they have kept dead. (I mean, besides giving her an entire feature film for her to start in)
Powersoutdotcom2025-12-19 00:03
Based on everything that people are theorizing now that he's back, it was only a perfect ending for him and a possible butterfly effect for every other reality.
whitepangolin2025-12-19 02:41
And he’d have to choose between saving his reality or the entire multiverse. That’s pretty good.
PapaSnow2025-12-19 05:26
He also gets to experience what Tony did, I.e. doing the hero thing and having to grapple between that and protecting his child
rocelot252025-12-19 06:13
“We don’t trade lives”
Obi_1_Kenobee2025-12-19 00:04
this. a million times this. adding in bringing back RDJ. reeks of desperation.
this whole movie is giving off major “somehow Palpatine returned” vibes.
Mr_Fossey2025-12-19 00:04
Glances towards Toy Story 4
MasterTolkien2025-12-19 00:04
I think he’ll keep the ending. This movie will feature Cap after he has a baby Peggy but before he becomes the old man who hands the alternate universe shield to Sam.
MillAUM25792025-12-19 00:05
Maybe it was a perfect ending for the movie, but for the character Steve Rogers? Nah.
Notimetowrite762025-12-19 00:05
Because there never really is an end to comic stories. Also, we all expected some kind of return for at least Secret Wars.
jimababwe2025-12-19 00:05
Because there’s a Toy Story 4 that made a truckload of money.
Mango4242025-12-19 00:11
New heroes didn't work with general audience (see Thunderbolts or Eternals box office).
They need the old actors. I hate that they touch his amazing ending but that's how Hollywood works.
Dan_Of_Time2025-12-19 01:32
> New heroes didn't work with general audience (see Thunderbolts or Eternals box office).
The problem is they have a good combination of new and old heroes that work. We just haven't seen any of them much.
Should have had another Avengers movie in between to establish a new team or at least bring a bunch of characters together.
furgil32025-12-19 01:59
Yep, that's what I think as well. They have barely fleshed out any of the new characters they've introduced, and most of the established characters have been relegated to bad movies (Thor, Ant-Man) or have been relegated to cameos or secondary status like Hulk. And I feel like they tried to do too many characters, in both TV andovies at once. They should have picked a few strong characters like Moon Knight, Shang Chi and maybe Ms Marvel, to make new standalone films with, while iterating in between on the established ones with a movie here and there like Spider-Man or Black Panther. I think the shift to TV really hurt them
Dan_Of_Time2025-12-19 02:05
I think the TV focus would have worked if they just delivered on it.
WandaVision and Falcon were great shows that gave enough time to show where these 4 major characters were post Endgame. But then they didn’t do anything good with them, we got the whole Wanda as a villain thing and then a mid Captain America movie. Same with Hawkeye.
Then you got the ones like Moon Knight who have just been abandoned completely. Just seems like there was no overall plan or idea to get these characters on screen together at any point to build a dynamic
vinnybawbaw2025-12-19 00:14
Marvel Studios need that movie to make BANK.
NinetyYears2025-12-19 00:15
Because these are just comic book movies.
Powerful_Bridge_38142025-12-19 00:16
Money
ScientistScary14142025-12-19 00:20
Because money drives everything
3verythingEverywher32025-12-19 00:21
There’s not really an ending for him though. Everyone’s IN the MCU is still talking about where he is. There’s clearly more story to tell. He can even do everything here, and then realise he has to give Sam the shield to ensure the win.
chickenkebaap2025-12-19 00:28
Going back in time and staying there could be a violation of nature which could cause a ripple in the fabric of time and the multiverse . Who knows?
Tony knew there was a huge risk associated with time travel, which is why he was so against time travel in the first place.
Linnus422025-12-19 00:32
Cap IV barely made 400 Mil. TBolts couldn't even make 400 mil. F4 dragged itself past 500 mil.
Quantumania flopped. Kang was a Fraud. Majors got in Legal Trouble.
Adorable_Ad_34782025-12-19 00:42
"Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends".
It's important to understand that these characters are products. They're Disney's intellectual properties.
Steve Roger's story will never end. Our great great-great-grandkids will watch brand new Captain America stories with Steve Rogers.
Gniphe2025-12-19 00:48
I wouldn’t have even minded a follow-up Cold War era movie with an aging Captain Rogers. But more timeline hopping? Ugh.
Shantotto112025-12-19 01:06
It wasn’t the perfect ending to me, but they wrote themselves into a corner, so it’s the best for what they had.
PackageOk49472025-12-18 23:57
But... where's She Hulk 🤣
TarnishedAccount2025-12-18 23:57
Is this Marvel realizing the Sam Wilson experiment failed?
If so please let him be Falcon again
soupdawg2025-12-18 23:58
What teaser?
Cantomic662025-12-19 00:00
I’m not crazy about this.
wombatttttt2025-12-19 00:29
Every show does this. They kill off their prized characters without developing the ones to take over so when shit hits the fan, they gotta go back to what was making them money. I hate that RDJ is going to take the role of Doom.
kawaiinessa2025-12-19 00:04
thats a big spoiler
Wise-News16662025-12-19 00:06
And I was just starting to have interest in this movie.
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storksghast2025-12-19 00:16
Huh? It's already played in front of Avatar showings today.
Diablo_N_Doc2025-12-19 00:07
One. Year. To. Go.
JMadFour2025-12-19 00:07
There are currently approximately 5 thousand fake AI versions of this teaser on YouTube, it’s infuriating.
valkyriemama2025-12-19 00:57
Seriously, where's the real thing? I went to the Marvel Studios YT channel and it isn't there so is this even real?
typeincleverusername2025-12-19 01:10
It’s a teaser playing for Avatar 3. They’re probably not gonna release on YouTube until movie is out of theaters or until the Thor teasers start.
RandAlThorOdinson2025-12-19 03:01
Wait there's another Thor movie? I'm so confused hahaha
skibbidywibbidy2025-12-19 03:29
No there will be four mini trailers before the big trailer. This week is Cap, next week may be Thor, the one after I think is Doom, and the final should be the full doomsday trailer
DarkDonut752025-12-19 03:31
They'll be Doomsday 4 trailers for each week in the first month Avatar 3 is in cinemas. The first 3 are teasers for Evans, Hemsworth, and RDJ, while the 4th *might* be the actual teaser
Harry_Mess2025-12-19 01:15
It’s only being shown before screenings of Avatar, so there are no official versions online
Tyler_Zoro2025-12-19 07:20
That's an insane thing to do in the age of fake trailers (people are blaming AI, but it was a huge problem back when Endgame was coming out with pasted bits of other movies and TV shows). You need to get your trailer out there before someone makes something shitty and capitalizes on your brand.
TheSaltySeagull872025-12-19 07:42
I guess they'll release them once the new teaser drops in cinema. Meaning Rogers will be released when the Thor teaser drops and so on...
mr90252025-12-19 01:53
I believe what happened is somewhere a theater worker recorded the teaser trailer on like Tuesday while they were privately viewing the film amongst staff, uploaded it to the internet, somewhere someone must have asked AI to recreate the footage and sound from the cellphone footage, and now we have a bunch of ai recreations and reactions OF recreations. I watched a 1:01 version earlier and it took me a few mi utes to conclude it was probably a recreation. I fact I’ve seen two versions of teasers with two characters features. I’m sure both were ai generated. And I’m almost positive that they are likely almost exactly what will be shown in theaters.
In all honesty if this is correct about what has happened here, this is kind of the dawning of a new age for leaks.
RandAlThorOdinson2025-12-19 03:04
I wish they would just release it
I'm absolutely not going to pay to see another fucking Avatar movie lol
And I'm so so not down for sifting through AI slop piles
shaker89892025-12-19 00:08
Waiting for the next generation of Marvel heroes to be the focus
TheJack0fDiamonds2025-12-19 02:32
They mishandled their next gen heroes. Sam Wilson and Carol Danvers deserved and should’ve been treated better.
Rh0rny2025-12-19 03:18
I actually thought CM was going to be the next big thing after Endgame
I mean she was but not in a good way lol
TheJack0fDiamonds2025-12-19 08:36
Well they did say that’s what they wanted her to be. Their plans for her didn’t reflect that at all though. I mean post endgame, she had one post credit scene in shang chi, one in Ms Marvel and then..The Marvels for a sequel? Really? Like. Okay. Secret Invasion was right there (but thats a whole other mishap)
To top it off, they gave her a team but it wasn’t the Avengers. 🤷🏼♂️they want her to be big but in what ways, only god knows cuz they sure as hell didn’t
shaker89892025-12-19 04:25
Man i just want to see more Shang Chi
SuperIga2025-12-19 14:48
You and me both. One of the very few new characters that they actually did perfectly.
HereWeFuckingGooo2025-12-19 04:43
They definitely mishandled it, but it also didn't help that the vocal minority of fanboys and trolls kept tearing down every single project post Endgame.
mrbaryonyx2025-12-19 21:23
what bothers me about this is that everyone starts talking shit on new characters like Ironheart or the Eternals or whatever--which is easy to do because there *so many new characters* and none of them got developed in the way Tony and Steve did.
But the thing is, I still consider Sam, T'Challa, Strange and Carol "new" characters because they debuted in Phase 3. I thought for sure Phase 4 would be all about them.
Obviously what happened to Boseman and Holland can't be helped, but it shouldn't have taken four years to bring Larson back (and then get rid of Cumberbatch for *five* years).
Like, they *had* shit to work with!
Odd-Contact22662025-12-19 00:09
I mean you knew it was gonna happen
Mellotom2025-12-19 00:10
Has the official teaser been released or is this still based off of the leak?
Gamerxx132025-12-19 00:12
just sucks they made all these new characters and basically they need to take a back seat to the original avengers.
EDPZ2025-12-19 00:12
RIP all the people insisting the leak was AI.
SilverRoseBlade2025-12-19 00:13
It’s always because of the money Disney throws at them.
CommunityHot92192025-12-19 00:15
This is so lame. Basically the ultimate expression of the multiverse being a hopeless crutch the way Marvel has used it. I was never really on board with Doomsday, though. Bringing RDJ back as Dr Doom always reeked of desperation and IMO bringing Evans back seals it.
megadroid_optimizer2025-12-19 00:42
They have nothing left but nolstagia. They don’t even believe in their new characters.
Joetheshow12025-12-19 00:55
The lack of emphasis on trying to push Shang Chi into the forefront is such a colossal joke that I'm annoyed Marvel is going to get bailed out with these obvious cash grab moves of bringing back RDJ and Evans
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-19 01:06
Oh man don’t get me started on that. He actually meets Wong and some other Avengers and then crickets. Nothing besides alt universe cartoon appearances. Craziness.
dean158922025-12-19 01:06
They dropped the ball hard with Shang-Chi
They had him, Moonknight, Kamala Khan, Kate Bishop, Daredevil
So many good options
FullBringa2025-12-19 02:20
speaking of which, what's up with Moon Knight? He won't show up in the MCu again will he?
dean158922025-12-19 02:30
likely wont... such a waste of such a complex character.
I think secret wars is the best case scenario of a reboot, and then we can all start fresh
megadroid_optimizer2025-12-19 03:36
All of those characters are so well cast that wasting them is just insane!
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-19 00:44
This isn’t really a multiverse thing. It is incredibly likely the Steve in Doomsday is the OG Steve from all the other movies and not some variant.
Having RDJ as Doom and Evans as Steve but not the Steve we know would be baffling actually. Steve is still alive and they can still use him.
miekkorgz2025-12-19 00:16
Please give him the Loki treatment from Infinity war. No hard feelings, just dont see a point in him being a part of the story.
wombatttttt2025-12-19 00:30
Sad_Animator16862025-12-19 00:17
Visibly out of breath: “I could Dooms this all day.”
HeisenbergClaus2025-12-19 00:19
I'm surprised Twitter was so mad about this. The fact that Disney waited 6 years to bring RDJ & Evans back is a miracle, you got a lifetime with your "perfect ending". This is how comic stuff goes and it happened quicker because the overall post Endgame MCU excitement just hasn't been there and box office numbers were legitimately down.
MentalWolverine82025-12-19 00:19
Can anyone clear this up for me ? :
In Loki S01, Ravonna Renslayer tells Loki that what happened in Endgame was supposed to happen. Now that we know that was just a ruse to keep the sacred timeline intact and thereby keeping He Who Remains in his position, does it mean that Steve going back in time and remaining there with Peggy did indeed create a new timeline / universe? And if so, why didn't the TVA prune that timeline?
DataSurging2025-12-19 00:19
I honestly find this cheap as hell. Especially so to reveal a whole year before the movie even comes out.
spedmonkeeman2025-12-19 01:09
I actively try to avoid leaks and spoilers like this but if this sub is just going to openly post them might be time to hide this till the movie comes out.
AceofKnaves442025-12-19 00:21
The wording is Steve Rogers will return. Not Captain America. Anthony Mackie has confirmed Sam will be coming back for Secret Wars. I think they’re aware how big a dick move it would look and awful PR if at the first chance possible Steve comes back and takes the shield from Sam. It’s entirely possible I’m wrong but I think there might be a little more to this than just “Steve Rogers is coming back as Captain America.”
K1ko13372025-12-19 00:25
You guys remember this article from 2021
[Chris Evans to Reprise Role Of Captain America in Future Marvel Property](https://deadline.com/2021/01/captain-america-eyes-return-to-the-mcu-as-chris-evans-nears-deal-to-reprise-role-in-future-marvel-project-1234672430/)
BillytheMagicToilet2025-12-19 00:26
Somehow, Steve Rogers returned
Affectionate-Bus9272025-12-19 00:26
Doom kidnaps his child
AdoubleyouB2025-12-19 00:27
I really hope we continue to get every detail of this movie before the movie releases. /s
pkjoan2025-12-19 00:27
The Big 3: You could not live with your own failure, and where did that lead you, back to me.
FLENCK2025-12-19 00:32
Guess Sam will have to return the shield.
SolomonRed2025-12-19 00:35
Man they didn't even give Sam cap a chance
Business_Barber_36112025-12-19 13:11
Remember it says "As Steve Rogers"
YaMomsCooch2025-12-19 00:36
“Somehow, Palpatine returned.”
storksghast2025-12-19 00:38
"I'm following the Marvel Studios subreddit but I demand y'all spoiler protect Marvel Studios official promotion!" - Self-entitled spoilerphobes.
Barbafella2025-12-19 00:55
I can only find AI slop.
2StepsFromNightwish2025-12-19 01:03
Yeah… every new detail about this movie makes me less and less interested. I’m sure it’ll make a billion dollars still, but god I hope it flops. That’d be so fucking funny
i_cnt_spll2025-12-19 01:05
I dont like this tbh
If you are bringing him back for just intro to the movie, then its a cheap ploy to get asses in seats
If you’re giving him a bugger role what was the point of retiring the character and doing Sam’s story?
Im a massive marvel fan, watched every single show and movie and short since iron man.. but its gotten super messy because of the Jonathan Mayers thing which shouldnt have even affected anything in the grander scheme of things
That resulted in RDJ being written into the Doom story all of a sudden to salvage the next phases
Its just a mess
DragonTacoCat2025-12-19 01:21
I kinda wonder if this is a time paradox in a way. The events of Doomsday could happen between Steve going back and then giving Sam the shield. It is a midnight bender but it's possible.
What if Steve returns the stones. Then goes back to live with Peggy. But in the course of this Doom shows up. Fast forward to current events and Steve returns to 'the future' after having a slap down with Doom. He continues to be Captain America beside Sam. Sam is already Captain America and confirms Steve gave him the shield at the end of End Game. So then the events of Doomsday happen and Steve then leaves at the end to go back to be with Peggy after (assumingly) save his child and love out his life to the point where he 'catches up' with the end of End Game and gives Sam the shield knowing that Sam needs it for the future.
Late night thought. I'd say it's a shower though but I'm not in the shower lol.
Affectionate-Bus9272025-12-19 01:30
same idea here, good. but if I look back to my theories on the mcu, i always was wrong, so this will be probably the same. :/
PhilosopherKindly6232025-12-19 01:52
I had this same thought and I think it could work well.
Old Steve is so cryptic at the end of Endgame that it's really not hard to retcon this in and reveal that he wasn't willing to tell them anything because A LOT happened to him along the way (including the events of Doomsday & Secret Wars.) Because of timey wimey shit it's going to happen to his friends *after* the point where he becomes old and returns the stones and he can't say anything for the same reason Strange couldn't tell Tony how they defeated Thanos. I doubt they planned that when making Endgame, but it slots in really nicely.
smcl2k2025-12-19 03:00
>His blue helmet is reminiscent of his Captain America costume, which he pulls out to reminiscently admire.
Gotta love it when an article was obviously written by AI 😑
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Guess the headline writer at Variety didn’t care or didn’t know that.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/chris-evans-returning-to-marvel-1236082100/
I haven’t seen any of the leaked info, but glad to see this more or less confirmed. I feel like they just want as much nostalgia as possible.
And yeah this movie is definitely about the nostalgia.
It has to be original Cap right? Not a variant? That’s how nostalgia gets maxed out.
Unless he's an evil variant.
Marvel is in trouble and is slamming that nostalgia button. OG Steve is going to be back - and maybe an evil variant too. But definitely not only an evil variant.
Sam is Cap now. It would be a slap in the face to have Steve suit up again as Cap because he obviously would totally overshadow Sam.
I know they already did Nomad in IW , but they could respin it again
By this logic RDJ as Doom is a spoiler too
The same thing happened with the Harry Styles cameo. They obviously want more eyeballs on their film by putting that out into the trades.
😭
"It's Morbin' time!"
“We’re in the Age of Ultron now” cue spooky music.
Shivers.
It’s been scratching my brain how poignant that line was said in endgame , but how little time travel that we’ve seen. ~~F4 had near light speed travel, but that didn’t seem to have any time dilation in the movie.~~
Idk.
Would be cool to find it was connected, and with how well thought out the infinity saga was, it would be nice to know all the wildness that burned me out the last few years could make me feel that magic again of ‘I am iron man’ was, and iron man was my least favorite avenger by far
Edit: Remembered F4 wrong. I still feel like the time dilation should have been larger.
throttle with the idea
I think they wanted to pivot to kang for a while, let things settle, try some new stuff, and then bring out the big guns for doom.
Of course that all had to be rushed up quite a bit
Maybe even for Kang Dynasty as Kang would have his own set of manipulated multiverse heroes fight for him.
I don’t believe this was always the plan. But there is a universe where they can make this work and have us think it was if it all works as well as possible. Remember the clanging sound at the end of the Endgame credits? What if the end of Tony Stark resulted in the birth of Doctor Doom somewhere out there in the multiverse and that clanging was the sound of him building his armor? Plus lines like this.
So what if they had an idea for who the big bad was going to be before they changed their mind and decided to go with Kang? Who would that have been?
They were developing projects with Fox-owned IP before the deal was closed. They saw the writing on the wall, and internal planning like that is perfectly legal according to the law. They’ve done this before with the two versions of Civil War’s script that hindered on Spider-Man’s inclusion.
So why *wouldn’t* they think about Doom as the big bad for Secret Wars?
Joe Russo publicly pitched Secret Wars *with Fox-owned IP* back in 2018 before the Fox deal was finalized. He even specifically mentioned Marvel making “**surprising casting decisions**”.
Marvel was also developing projects based around the multiverse before the Fox deal was finalized. So no matter what happened with that, *some version* of Secret Wars was always going to happen.
Lastly, prior to the pandemic, these Avengers movies were supposed to come out last year and this year, respectively. The gap between Avengers movies was never meant to be this big.
All of this is easily found with some googling and when you piece it all together, RDJ and Evans returning was always more than plausible, regardless of what happened and how well received (or not) this saga ended up being.
People will claim this is “damage control” or “desperation” because their cynicism and Marvel’s spotty record these last few years is clouding their judgement.
What I think happened was certain Disney/Marvel execs wanted to push Majors/Kang for the awards and prestige, and Feige wanted Doom for the fans. Hence the chaotic year of 2022 where they announced Kang and contacted RDJ about Doom. Thus, two Avengers movies gives both sides what they wanted.
Doom was always the final boss.
Of course they all know that they can bring people back. I'm sure there would have been ideas floating around, maybe this was one of them, but the idea that it was setting this up is seeing patterns where there aren't any.
Steve was one of the best characters in the MCU. Sidelining both him and Tony and Natasha post Endgame was honestly disappointing and felt like the movies were missing something without his presence.
Imagine if they gave Sam an actual good movie and not a stitched up Frankenstein of Hulk member-berries, Dr. Strange sequel, and slowly fade out older characters while properly introducing new ones instead of: Here you go do what you want with it.
Would have such a greater meaning if this turns out true. Would be down for that.
This isn’t supposed to be a secret. Marvel wants you to know this.
I’m sure they will have some but they need to get ppl interested in this movie enough to go to theaters. They’re main priority rn is reinvigorating the franchise.
Everyone needs their fucking scoop.
They also have other Hulks now
If she's done for good with Black Widow, it's because she's tired of the role.
Little lame but it works. Time travel is annoying like that. Janeway was right, as always.
Have Marvel ever had a meaningful death they didn't retcon somehow? Death .eans nothing in the MCU. It's basically a revolving door. Black Widow is apparently the only one they have kept dead. (I mean, besides giving her an entire feature film for her to start in)
this whole movie is giving off major “somehow Palpatine returned” vibes.
They need the old actors. I hate that they touch his amazing ending but that's how Hollywood works.
The problem is they have a good combination of new and old heroes that work. We just haven't seen any of them much.
Should have had another Avengers movie in between to establish a new team or at least bring a bunch of characters together.
WandaVision and Falcon were great shows that gave enough time to show where these 4 major characters were post Endgame. But then they didn’t do anything good with them, we got the whole Wanda as a villain thing and then a mid Captain America movie. Same with Hawkeye.
Then you got the ones like Moon Knight who have just been abandoned completely. Just seems like there was no overall plan or idea to get these characters on screen together at any point to build a dynamic
Tony knew there was a huge risk associated with time travel, which is why he was so against time travel in the first place.
Quantumania flopped. Kang was a Fraud. Majors got in Legal Trouble.
It's important to understand that these characters are products. They're Disney's intellectual properties.
Steve Roger's story will never end. Our great great-great-grandkids will watch brand new Captain America stories with Steve Rogers.
If so please let him be Falcon again
In all honesty if this is correct about what has happened here, this is kind of the dawning of a new age for leaks.
I'm absolutely not going to pay to see another fucking Avatar movie lol
And I'm so so not down for sifting through AI slop piles
I mean she was but not in a good way lol
To top it off, they gave her a team but it wasn’t the Avengers. 🤷🏼♂️they want her to be big but in what ways, only god knows cuz they sure as hell didn’t
But the thing is, I still consider Sam, T'Challa, Strange and Carol "new" characters because they debuted in Phase 3. I thought for sure Phase 4 would be all about them.
Obviously what happened to Boseman and Holland can't be helped, but it shouldn't have taken four years to bring Larson back (and then get rid of Cumberbatch for *five* years).
Like, they *had* shit to work with!
They had him, Moonknight, Kamala Khan, Kate Bishop, Daredevil
So many good options
I think secret wars is the best case scenario of a reboot, and then we can all start fresh
Having RDJ as Doom and Evans as Steve but not the Steve we know would be baffling actually. Steve is still alive and they can still use him.
In Loki S01, Ravonna Renslayer tells Loki that what happened in Endgame was supposed to happen. Now that we know that was just a ruse to keep the sacred timeline intact and thereby keeping He Who Remains in his position, does it mean that Steve going back in time and remaining there with Peggy did indeed create a new timeline / universe? And if so, why didn't the TVA prune that timeline?
[Chris Evans to Reprise Role Of Captain America in Future Marvel Property](https://deadline.com/2021/01/captain-america-eyes-return-to-the-mcu-as-chris-evans-nears-deal-to-reprise-role-in-future-marvel-project-1234672430/)
If you are bringing him back for just intro to the movie, then its a cheap ploy to get asses in seats
If you’re giving him a bugger role what was the point of retiring the character and doing Sam’s story?
Im a massive marvel fan, watched every single show and movie and short since iron man.. but its gotten super messy because of the Jonathan Mayers thing which shouldnt have even affected anything in the grander scheme of things
That resulted in RDJ being written into the Doom story all of a sudden to salvage the next phases
Its just a mess
What if Steve returns the stones. Then goes back to live with Peggy. But in the course of this Doom shows up. Fast forward to current events and Steve returns to 'the future' after having a slap down with Doom. He continues to be Captain America beside Sam. Sam is already Captain America and confirms Steve gave him the shield at the end of End Game. So then the events of Doomsday happen and Steve then leaves at the end to go back to be with Peggy after (assumingly) save his child and love out his life to the point where he 'catches up' with the end of End Game and gives Sam the shield knowing that Sam needs it for the future.
Late night thought. I'd say it's a shower though but I'm not in the shower lol.
Old Steve is so cryptic at the end of Endgame that it's really not hard to retcon this in and reveal that he wasn't willing to tell them anything because A LOT happened to him along the way (including the events of Doomsday & Secret Wars.) Because of timey wimey shit it's going to happen to his friends *after* the point where he becomes old and returns the stones and he can't say anything for the same reason Strange couldn't tell Tony how they defeated Thanos. I doubt they planned that when making Endgame, but it slots in really nicely.
Gotta love it when an article was obviously written by AI 😑