How does everything fit into Spider-Man: Brand New Day?
The new leaked trailer of Brand New Day, which is apparently real, has confirmed many leaks and it already looks like the movie is way too crowded, even more than it appeared to be with all the confirmed stuff we already knew.
We have: [SPOILERS AHEAD]
* Bruce Banner becoming Grey Hulk and apparently completely losing it and going on his most violent rampage ever
* The Punisher, at first being at odds with Spidey, but then working with him to take down the Hulk
* The Punisher having a female sidekick, most likely Rachel Cole in her MCU debut
* Scorpion escaping a prison in a huge opening action sequence which includes Punisher in a tank
* Tombstone in some kind of role
* Smaller villains like Tarantula, Boomerang and Ramrod, possibly being part of Tombstone's and/or Scorpion's crew
* The freaking Hand in bright red comic-accurate costumes who are back in NYC after we last saw them in The Defenders
* Sadie Sink as the shape-shifting main villain, possibly an adaptation of Chameleon
* Freaking Yelena Belova having a role in this film, maybe the New Avengers get involved in with the Hulk incidents?
* The return of MJ and Ned and Peter seemingly telling them the truth, based on his monologue in the trailer (which could also be a fake-out of course)
What else have they crammed in this movie that we probably don't even know about? How is all that gonna come together into one coherent narrative while also keeping a focus on Peter's character arc? I'm not bashing the film before I even see it, because I trust McKenna, Sommers and Cretton, but I'm just confused and overwhelmed.
Give me your theories about the plot of this film and how all of these characters and plot points tie together?
We have: [SPOILERS AHEAD]
* Bruce Banner becoming Grey Hulk and apparently completely losing it and going on his most violent rampage ever
* The Punisher, at first being at odds with Spidey, but then working with him to take down the Hulk
* The Punisher having a female sidekick, most likely Rachel Cole in her MCU debut
* Scorpion escaping a prison in a huge opening action sequence which includes Punisher in a tank
* Tombstone in some kind of role
* Smaller villains like Tarantula, Boomerang and Ramrod, possibly being part of Tombstone's and/or Scorpion's crew
* The freaking Hand in bright red comic-accurate costumes who are back in NYC after we last saw them in The Defenders
* Sadie Sink as the shape-shifting main villain, possibly an adaptation of Chameleon
* Freaking Yelena Belova having a role in this film, maybe the New Avengers get involved in with the Hulk incidents?
* The return of MJ and Ned and Peter seemingly telling them the truth, based on his monologue in the trailer (which could also be a fake-out of course)
What else have they crammed in this movie that we probably don't even know about? How is all that gonna come together into one coherent narrative while also keeping a focus on Peter's character arc? I'm not bashing the film before I even see it, because I trust McKenna, Sommers and Cretton, but I'm just confused and overwhelmed.
Give me your theories about the plot of this film and how all of these characters and plot points tie together?
Commentaires
Yelena, Grey Hulk and Sadie's character being a shape-shifter are I think, the only unconfirmed things. Oh and Ramrod.
Sony hasn’t pulled them after several hours
That means Sadie Sink is playing the shape-shifting main villain, possibly an adaptation of Chameleon.
Although, of course, there's always the option of them saying "she's his daughter" or something similar; it wouldn't be the first time they've done something like that.
Either that, or it's not a version of Chameleon but a completely different character.
But yeah, Shathra and Lily Hollister have also been rumored/theorized, and it could be one of them.
I think this will be the case because I think both Maguire and Garfield will be in Secret Wars and I presume they'd try to bring Peter to their side. I also think the symbiote left in the MCU might come into play in BND but will officially become the suit in Secret Wars.
I think SW will sorta take place in Dooms perfect world and some of the cast would be trying to defeat Doom while some would be trying to help him because Doom can give them perfect versions of their life. But eventually those supporting Doom would come to realise what he's doing and then go against him. Thats how I see Maguire and Garfield coming into play, as part of a resistance and them trying to get Holland to realise what Dooms doing is wrong.
Maybe it was an experiment gone wrong or something similar. Seeing how Feige shut down the multiversal aspect of Spider-Man, I don't see him adapting the whole totem thing if it's not going to matter anymore.
But yeah, if they have all of this, it definately is a lot.
Also, wasn't Daredevil meant to be in it too or has that ship sailed?
I don't think Yelena will have a huge role, maybe just a cameo to tie Peter into the events of the Avengers films.
Also, on paper, the other MCU Spider-Man films also balanced a lot of villains so I'm not too worried.
So she is a villian.
Maybe Yelena went to recruit someone from the cast. We already know the New Avengers are made up of unstable people or those with shady pasts. Maybe Punisher? Or Sink's character? A character we haven't seen yet?
She's Shatrah, but in the MCU she has no connection to Spider-Man. She's simply an entity who doesn't want to be bothered, and to make things easier, she takes the form of a random teenager so that when Damage Control gets suspicious, they capture the wrong person.
This explains why Damage Control captures Sink's character twice without much difficulty; they aren't capturing Shatrah, but the real person whose body she stole. It's similar to how Isaiah Bradley was framed in Brave New World.
After that, Peter has to confront her to clear his new friend's name, which bothers Shatrah, who doesn't want Peter interfering or she'll kill him, like the Vulture.
In her first version, she was just an entity from the astral plane who encountered Spider-Man because Strange asked him to help with some matters. They met, and Shatrah decided he would be a good host for her offspring. Arriving in the real world and posing as a celebrity, she sought to ruin Peter's reputation.
I imagine that's the version they're going for in the movie, only in this case, she's trapped in the MCU and is looking for people to feed on, both herself and her offspring. She's only trying to survive, and to find easy victims, she uses Scorpion, a serial killer, as her right-hand man, taking the form of a random teenager and ruining her reputation so that Damage Control targets the wrong person.
The MCU has made a habit of altering Spider-Man's villains; the only ones they didn't alter were those from NWH because they had to be faithful to what was seen in past movies, but here they are no longer under anyone's rules.
I think her line about "stay out of my way" is a fake out. Whatever Jean's goal is, she doesn't want Spidey involved. Jean is also the only one capable of wiping Peter from others minds.
Secondly Marvel disagrees with you. The Official Appendix to The Handbook of The Marvel Universe states [this](http://marvunapp.com/master/earthteaz.htm#numbered):
>Earth-19859 **Diverged from Earth-199999** when alien Chronicoms traveled back in time to erase S.H.I.E.L.D. from history. **Earth-199999** Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. followed them, failed to prevent major changes to history but managed to take the Chronicoms back to their original timeline. Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. television series episode, "New Life" (2019)
(Don’t get into the whole “the MCU is Earth-616” thing, I have official Marvel sources including Feige involved projects confirming otherwise. So let’s just skip that part and not waste our time, shall we? I’ve done this song and dance and have immense research on the subject)
Dmitri existing in the MCU isn't the same thing as The Chameleon existing in the MCU.
"Marvel disagrees with you."
No.
All currently updated Official Sources have excluded AoS from official MCU Canon.
"Don’t get into the whole “the MCU is Earth-616” thingI, have official Marvel sources including Feige involved projects confirming otherwise"
You don't get to decide what Official Sources 'count' and which dont, because the Official MCU Timeline reference book and Spider-Man Far From Home Deadpool and Wolverine - which are Official Sources - all confirm that the MCU's Multiversal designator is Earth-616.
Being this pedantic over the details of a made-up universe for no reason other than to rub it in someone’s face is pathetic man
We can’t see shit. I have zero idea what you’re thinking is confirmed and I watched that thing like 6 times
2. Sadie as the villain
That’s also two things. You listed like 10
That's 4 years of offscreen adventures we never saw. Peter already graduated from college if he attended. Spider-Man probably already met Yelena and Frank. We'll have to see.
My speculation:
Act 1 is setting up Peter's new status quo. We see him fight with the small time villains. Peter is working under Banner and doing an internship.
Act 2 is basically a gang war left after Kingpin's downfall in DDS2. Punisher wants to kill all criminals, Spidey wants to arrest them. Scorpion's gang wants to steal some tech from Banner, and in the fight, Banner gets stung by Scorpion, unleashing his Grey Hulk persona.
Act 3 is Spidey and Punisher vs. Grey Hulk. With an assist from Shatra.
Sadie Sink's character Shatra is the secret final villain; she starts as an ally before revealing her evil side. It's going to be revealed she is behind Scorpion's prison break and her goal is to steal Banner's time travel tech from Endgame to fix the Multiverse and prevent Doomsday.
Spidey stops her, destroys Banner's tech, but then Shatra gives him a glimpse of what Doctor Doom did to her universe and what he will do to 616.
Big "F\*\*\*" scene.
Mostly a street-level film until Act 3. Much like how Shang Chi was a martial arts film until Act 3.
But as for the timeline, behind the scenes photos indicate that Spidey is taking place sometime in Fall 2027, shortly after Thunderbolts, so this isn't even a full 3 years after NWH. And considering Peter wouldn't have entered college until September 2025, he is still in his junior year in this movie.
But Scorpion, Tombstone and Sadie's character seem to be more on the main characters side. Although the rumor is that Scorpion and Tombstone are being set up to be multi-movie villains, so they won't get their whole story here.
Scorpion escape scene to start the movie, starts Peter and Frank’s relationship (think tasm 2 with rhino)
Maybe tombstone and his allies do something to Bruce, he goes on a rampage which causes a distraction for police/heroes, and they do their thing. Maybe a turf war vs the hand or something
MJ and Ned probably play small roles, maybe Peter is keeping tabs on them to make sure their safe, maybe they get caught up in the tombstone stuff
Yelena shows up post credit to recruit Peter, Frank, or whoever Sadie is playing
Obviously nobody can know, but that’d essentially cover everything mentioned and I don’t think that’s an overcrowded movie
Explain why people were calling for TASM3 then?
Personally I miss when Spider-Man could just do his own thing and foil a robbery or two and destroy a supervillain's plans and the super villain also has ties to Peter Parker and Peter tries to end things peacefully but then the villain kills themselves somehow. But it's cool that Scorpion is back. Michael Mando was pretty great on Better Call Saul.
It fits the voice line perfectly. Lily is mostly a villain that sometimes does the occasional good thing, which would explain why she says she “likes Spider-Man” and tells him to stay out of her way.
In the comic she was Harry Osborne’s girlfriend and gets her powers from his lab by accident. Perhaps there’s some materials left over from the experiments Peter was doing in NWH and that’s how Sadie acquires the goblin powers here.
Edit: One more detail, Sadie was spotted on set with blonde hair- menace’s hair goes from blonde to red in the comic too. Which would explain that change as well.
There are many ways to handle all those characters without making the movie feel too crowded.
Also, some of them may be fake. Remember how so many of the F4 leaks talked about the F4 originally being from Earth 616 and trying to go back?
It had Dr Strange, Two other Spider-Men, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Electro, Sand Man, plus the usual Spider-Man cast and worked just fine.
Not every character odd going to be a main character. Lots will only be there for a few minutes.