Armor Who's? Such a shame that project never got so much as a hint of a notion of getting made
Alex227532025-12-16 04:31
He hasn't been a main protagonist yet.
feetandballs2025-12-16 05:33
They should do a special that tells the story of him delivering the tank from his "boom, you looking for this?" story
CaptHayfever2025-12-16 06:09
The title of the post says "non-lead character".
royalxK2025-12-16 04:49
Damnit, you just reminded that Secret Invasion exists and how awful it was
MIAxPaperPlanes2025-12-16 05:15
[weirdest golden globe nomination in recent memory](https://m.imdb.com/news/ni63359035/)
HawkeyeP12025-12-16 05:48
Counterpoint: I think Wanda actually legitimately went backwards in character growth lol
kwickedbonesc2025-12-16 06:08
But they still progressed her character’s story, just through entering her villain era. Rhodey had previous development scenes declared de-cannon due to a retcon. They’re not the same thing and Rhodey got the short end of the stick, by a mile.
marvelcomics222025-12-16 04:17
In general, Wanda, personally, Sam, but while not a character orginating in the Infinity Saga, Yelena has probably been the most successful character of the Multiverse Saga.
aditu2025-12-16 04:23
Yelena by far for me. Grew to love her character in Thunderbolts.
Wanda Vision was great, but Multiverse of Madness kinda muddies those waters. Shame.
marvelcomics222025-12-16 04:51
One of the biggest problems of this saga is character consistency, but I really liked what they did with Yelena, because she was in Black Widow in July 2021, and then in Hawkeye that December. If only Thunderbolts\* came out in 2023 to cap off Phase Four.
Kyloren19232025-12-16 04:19
Sam has had no development. His entire character is I’m just a dude so let’s talk it out because there is no chance I can beat you. Brave new world was one of the blandest movies I’ve ever seen.
Upset-Sale68692025-12-16 04:43
The Falcon and The Winter Solider I felt was going in the right direction and then by the end of the final episode it just kinda went downhill.
Nonadventures2025-12-16 05:06
Yeah it felt like that were biting off more than they could chew by mixing in race relations, what it means to be an American, following in Cap’s footsteps and a refugee crisis of the post-blip world. Was just trying to do a lot all at once and didn’t stick the landing.
allthenamesaretaken42025-12-16 05:19
I've heard it was re-written because of covid, but I wonder if it really had to be redone because it was anti-capitalist, cus those threads can easily be tied together with that theme.
CaptHayfever2025-12-16 06:12
There was a subplot about a disease outbreak which was already filmed (that's why the Flag Smashers are stealing vaccines in episode 2, & how Mama Donya died). That got cut, & with it went most of Karli's character development, which is why in the finished show she goes from 0 to Murder seemingly out of nowhere.
Suspicious-Alarm-9612025-12-16 04:21
Loki had the biggest character arch in the entire mcu from The Avengers to the tv show Loki
RegularDude7112025-12-16 04:33
Biggest and absolute best. Cannot wait to see him interacting with others again, especially Thor of course.
Azelrazel2025-12-16 05:22
Me too though remember this Loki isn't the same who died from thanos after learning to be a better person. This is Loki who learned to be a better person after his attack in new York.
ThorsRake2025-12-16 06:28
Yes but he did see that Loki's experiences, learn of Classic Loki's late realisation of his true love for Thor and Asgard and can also possibly see everything so for all intents and purposes the audience that didn't see the show can treat him like the same Loki.
allthenamesaretaken42025-12-16 05:17
Loki is the answer if you take the MCU seriously, but if you like the cheese, it has to be Wong.
whitepangolin2025-12-16 04:24
They should have all gotten movies, and only movies.
At what point did it make sense to make Disney+ the product and not Marvel?
outofbounds3222025-12-16 04:25
Best development was Nebula.
CSGlogan2025-12-16 05:01
Underrated choice
Technical-Green-41562025-12-16 04:29
I’m just gonna say that I love the evolution Sam and Shuri have had since their introduction.
DuckyHornet2025-12-16 04:37
Shuri? Evolution?
Huh.
thr0waway24352025-12-16 05:19
I will never not think Shuri is the most underrated unappreciated character in the MCU.
Her character arc in BP2 is legit one of my favorite across the entire universe.
Technical-Green-41562025-12-16 05:22
She definitely is. For me she is the best female character the MCU has currently. I still remember the happines I felt when she showed up wearing the Black Panther suit for the first time. I really want to continue watching her journey.
thr0waway24352025-12-16 05:26
I think she’s tied with Yelena for me, but yeah definitely top 3, without a doubt.
I love MCU, but it’s rare for their female characters to get the nuance, flaws, complex relationships, consistent development, thematic depth, and importance Shuri had in BP2. The MCU female cast has often either been a bit too unimportant, a bit too inconsistent, or a bit too bland slightly Mary Sue girlboss.
Shuri on the other hand, is a fantastic character who feels so human and yet so inspirational at the same time, and her development feels very organic.
Technical-Green-41562025-12-16 05:36
I agree completely. Seeing the way she changed between the 2 Black Panther movies is very impactful to me, and even more considering all that happened in real life.
And I also agree that Yelena is one of the best characters currently. I loved her in Thunderbolts.
jwederell2025-12-16 04:32
Character development is probably Loki, or Wanda. Fan support is definitely Bucky.
Alex227532025-12-16 04:33
Wanda, loki, shuri, bucky (only the tv show)
Legendver22025-12-16 04:36
Loki hands down
Realistic_Sound9132025-12-16 04:38
Most: Loki and Yelena
Fan support: Thunderbolts
Additional_Ice_3582025-12-16 04:38
For most character development I'd say Yelena for sure, they're absolutely nailing it with her character. Other personal favorites are John Walker, Bucky and Loki. Shuri is by far the most underrated, the growth from the 2 black panther movies were really nice to watch.
For least, I'd have to say Sam Wilson given his screentime. Which is a real shame because I'm a big fan of the actor and Falcon. It seems like they have him going in a circle, I feel like the writers and Kevin really let him down. Still liked his movie and show though.
demonoddy2025-12-16 04:41
Honestly Sam. I still don’t care about him.
Loki or Yelena had the best
Any-Transition952025-12-16 04:42
Loki and Wanda have pretty huge fan support
UnchartedCHARTz2025-12-16 04:46
Definitely Loki, when you consider that he starts as 2012 Loki at the beginning of the show.
Azelrazel2025-12-16 05:23
I feel half the fans of that outcome and series forget it's not the same Loki who went through all the mcu movies.
Oroshi39652025-12-16 07:11
Yeah, he’s a different character from end of Ragnarok Loki. He just saw some video clips of developed Loki and immediately became a good person strangely.
Azelrazel2025-12-16 07:13
I will admit I would have preferred he stay mischievous a little longer before eventually coming around to being good.
That being said he did see the power of the TVA and that infinity stones were nothing, so who knows maybe that highlight reel of his variants life and a wakeup call was all he needed.
zahm20002025-12-16 06:21
Yes, except Loki is the lead Villain in The Avengers and I don’t think he is eligible as the question is posed.
kapiluts2025-12-16 04:48
Loki i guess
Powerofx12025-12-16 04:50
The thunderbolts in general are the mist well received heroes from the saga
UnseenLogic2025-12-16 04:55
Least is Shuri & Rhodey definitively
NaturalOk21632025-12-16 04:55
Least outa this list is pretty easy sam. most? probably loki or buck
WAVYTAPES692025-12-16 04:59
Loki and Wanda had a ton of development character wise
Shaiky16812025-12-16 05:11
Wandavision did so much for Scarlet Witch, it may not feel like much nowadays but I feel it surely helped get the character a bit more popular amongst the general public.
Such a fun gimmick for a show that released at almost peak pandemic times with a character that was generally not used that on the movies until that point
Secret_Bet_21262025-12-16 05:14
Most character developmen would be Loki. But as a fan, I prefer Nebula. I couldn't get into the Loki series. I was too attached to OG Loki.
I had more affinity for Nebula & her story going from a villain who almost killed her sister in GotG1 to a mother figure for future generations of children whom we see her dancing & laughing with. Phenomenal character progression,
Dr. Strange will always be top of my list for most underdeveloped & underwritten character.
I think I brought up this same complaint on twitter about how bad MCU Strange's writing has been and that MoM didn't develop him in any way that was meaningful. Then I listed off the unchange (lol) in his character.
1. He was unhappy at the start of MoM, and tells Wong at the end of it that he's still unhappy.
* 2. He didn't have Christine at the start of MoM, and still didn't have her at the end.
* 3. He wasn't SS at the start of MoM, and still wasn't at the end.
* 4. He's lonely and friendless at that start of MoM, and is still walking the streets alone & friendless at the end of it. Lmao
And folks wanna reply about #4 saying Wong is his friend. No he's not. Wong acts like he doesn't wanna be bothered with Strange half the time. Wong has shown to be a fun-loving guy who likes to party. He doesn't act that way around Strange. Wong shows how he is around friends when he's with Madysnn. Strange is just a co-worker he tolerates. If they were meant to be close friends, then the MCU did not do a good job executing that relationship - par for the course with all the DS lore atp.
Strange seemed to have a closer friendship with Mordo than anyone else, and they wrote the latter out & haven't shown Strange giving a damn about him, another thing that makes Strange's character look like a huge asshole (and not a likeable one like Tony).
His character started off as an asshole who wants Christine. Then come the multiverse saga, and he's a magical asshole who wants Christine.
Strange in the multiverse saga has been wasted to the point many felt he wasn't a priority in his own sequel.
His lack of depth not helping either. We know nothing about him on a deep level and are not shown anything beyond "MUH CHRISTINE!"
Benedict Cumberbatch has done numerous interviews talking about how Strange haa psychological issues, but we get no depth on those. We never explore his feelings or trauma beyond not getting over his ex which is such a first-world HS level struggle that it males him look like the most vapid character in the MCU.
Again, Nebula & Yondu got more depth & development in 1 film than anything Strange has had in 7.
CaptHayfever2025-12-16 06:15
Strange didn't need to learn to be happy; he needed to learn to be honest about it.
MIAxPaperPlanes2025-12-16 05:16
Loki, Yelena and Bucky for most development along with fan support.
thr0waway24352025-12-16 05:22
Wanda, Shuri, Yelena, John Walker.
I haven’t seen Loki (I know, I know, I will), but given this thread, probably him too.
Henona2025-12-16 05:22
Yelena for one of the most positive
0rtmo2025-12-16 05:22
i need more thunderboltz
Fictionj2025-12-16 05:23
We love Wanda going from hero to villain and Loki villain to hero
But the answer is Yelena
Minute-Necessary23932025-12-16 05:24
Of these, Loki.
In general, Spiderman.
RiamoEquah2025-12-16 05:29
Loki. Just an amazing arc. I didn't know what to expect with the show and it just rocked me and I continue to go back and watch it.
Sam is also great, going from the ultimate wingman to a leader and icon I think is handled really well but only because he seemed more flawed than cap. Marvel and Anthony Mackie do a great job of showing how much of a difficult task it is to be captain America and that Steve Rodgers greatest power was his ability to be this icon naturally and easily.
But those are my two with Loki I think having the most growth and complete arc.
Adorable_Ad_34782025-12-16 05:31
Best? Loki
Worst? Where to begin...it's a race to the bottom.
ArtichokeHopeful86322025-12-16 05:41
No support to john walker?....guy has been praised by many lately
Upbeat_Tension_80772025-12-16 05:49
Even in just two movies, I think Yondu from GOTG had some great development from a sleazy character into a loveable father figure (while acknowledging his faults) to Star Lord)
2dal3atcave2025-12-16 05:51
Most Loki
Least Sam Wilson cause I feel his character regressed
OblivionArts2025-12-16 05:57
Loki by a mile for most,wanda for least of these since she basically actually lost character between wandavision and doctor strange 2
Crazy-Background14572025-12-16 05:59
Crazy all 5 up there were made before Endgame
CommunityDragon1842025-12-16 06:08
Loki, Wanda and Kamala
drntl2025-12-16 06:12
Loki and that’s it.
eternali172025-12-16 06:53
Fan support is Wanda and I feel it's not that close. People LOVE Wanda
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Wanda Vision was great, but Multiverse of Madness kinda muddies those waters. Shame.
At what point did it make sense to make Disney+ the product and not Marvel?
Huh.
Her character arc in BP2 is legit one of my favorite across the entire universe.
I love MCU, but it’s rare for their female characters to get the nuance, flaws, complex relationships, consistent development, thematic depth, and importance Shuri had in BP2. The MCU female cast has often either been a bit too unimportant, a bit too inconsistent, or a bit too bland slightly Mary Sue girlboss.
Shuri on the other hand, is a fantastic character who feels so human and yet so inspirational at the same time, and her development feels very organic.
And I also agree that Yelena is one of the best characters currently. I loved her in Thunderbolts.
Fan support: Thunderbolts
For least, I'd have to say Sam Wilson given his screentime. Which is a real shame because I'm a big fan of the actor and Falcon. It seems like they have him going in a circle, I feel like the writers and Kevin really let him down. Still liked his movie and show though.
Loki or Yelena had the best
That being said he did see the power of the TVA and that infinity stones were nothing, so who knows maybe that highlight reel of his variants life and a wakeup call was all he needed.
Such a fun gimmick for a show that released at almost peak pandemic times with a character that was generally not used that on the movies until that point
I had more affinity for Nebula & her story going from a villain who almost killed her sister in GotG1 to a mother figure for future generations of children whom we see her dancing & laughing with. Phenomenal character progression,
Dr. Strange will always be top of my list for most underdeveloped & underwritten character.
I think I brought up this same complaint on twitter about how bad MCU Strange's writing has been and that MoM didn't develop him in any way that was meaningful. Then I listed off the unchange (lol) in his character.
1. He was unhappy at the start of MoM, and tells Wong at the end of it that he's still unhappy.
* 2. He didn't have Christine at the start of MoM, and still didn't have her at the end.
* 3. He wasn't SS at the start of MoM, and still wasn't at the end.
* 4. He's lonely and friendless at that start of MoM, and is still walking the streets alone & friendless at the end of it. Lmao
And folks wanna reply about #4 saying Wong is his friend. No he's not. Wong acts like he doesn't wanna be bothered with Strange half the time. Wong has shown to be a fun-loving guy who likes to party. He doesn't act that way around Strange. Wong shows how he is around friends when he's with Madysnn. Strange is just a co-worker he tolerates. If they were meant to be close friends, then the MCU did not do a good job executing that relationship - par for the course with all the DS lore atp.
Strange seemed to have a closer friendship with Mordo than anyone else, and they wrote the latter out & haven't shown Strange giving a damn about him, another thing that makes Strange's character look like a huge asshole (and not a likeable one like Tony).
His character started off as an asshole who wants Christine. Then come the multiverse saga, and he's a magical asshole who wants Christine.
Strange in the multiverse saga has been wasted to the point many felt he wasn't a priority in his own sequel.
His lack of depth not helping either. We know nothing about him on a deep level and are not shown anything beyond "MUH CHRISTINE!"
Benedict Cumberbatch has done numerous interviews talking about how Strange haa psychological issues, but we get no depth on those. We never explore his feelings or trauma beyond not getting over his ex which is such a first-world HS level struggle that it males him look like the most vapid character in the MCU.
Again, Nebula & Yondu got more depth & development in 1 film than anything Strange has had in 7.
I haven’t seen Loki (I know, I know, I will), but given this thread, probably him too.
But the answer is Yelena
In general, Spiderman.
Sam is also great, going from the ultimate wingman to a leader and icon I think is handled really well but only because he seemed more flawed than cap. Marvel and Anthony Mackie do a great job of showing how much of a difficult task it is to be captain America and that Steve Rodgers greatest power was his ability to be this icon naturally and easily.
But those are my two with Loki I think having the most growth and complete arc.
Worst? Where to begin...it's a race to the bottom.
Least Sam Wilson cause I feel his character regressed
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