I slept on Thunderbolts*, it was a beautiful movie...

I heard it was good but I waited until now!
The literal representation of depression, trauma and loneliness was so good. And it made me actually care about all these guys. Yelana and her relationships with everyone is legit amazing, it was definitely her movie in a way.

Marvel should do more like this, but they seem to be going even bigger with doomsday which I'm kinda "meh" about.

Good stuff!

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butterflya822025-12-15 22:32

I loved this movie and liked the different relationships yelana had with the others.

Troghen2025-12-15 22:33

"Marvel should do more like this..."

Yeah, but unfortunately people didn't go to theaters to see Thunderbolts (despite everyone on this sub shouting from the rooftops that people should go because it was actually good) and the movie was considered a financial flop.

So I mean, don't complain about their focus on the giant spectacle movies like Avengers when you're not willing to go to theaters to support the smaller ones I guess?

Usual_Emphasis_5352025-12-15 22:41

I regret the fact that I skipped out on it😭
Idk, I don't wanna be cynical though. I trust that good content will be made. Here's hoping

falconfoxbear2025-12-16 02:15

The fact that people skipped out on it lowered it's performance at the box office. That does not encourage more of these being made. Money talks.

Defiant_Treacle73102025-12-15 23:01

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stephensmat2025-12-15 23:09

I wonder if the cinema take is an accurate representation of anything anymore. I haven't been to a Cinema since Covid. The cost of two movie tickets where I live is the same as the price of a Blu-Ray on release day.

So I wait, I buy the Bluray immediately. What a cinema gets from me is not an accurate representation of my love for the film, or my interest in seeing more of the franchise.

I don't claim to be a trendsetter, but if a percentage of the world thinks like me; I hope the studios are taking that into account.

Ragnarok_6192025-12-15 23:11

This was already debunked. Zootopia 2 made a billion releasing just a few weeks ago. All the big tentpole movies were a success, save for marvel

VibraniumWill2025-12-15 23:37

Debunked? Why would you compare a little kid movie to a marvel movie? I am sure there's some overall trends that show the decline in movie attendance overall. Feel free to debunk that.

Feahnor2025-12-16 08:12

It’s not debunked at all. Only kids movies work anymore, anything else you watch it at home.

Ragnarok_6192025-12-16 22:02

The greatest kid movie of all time: Mission Impossible and F1......

Feahnor2025-12-16 22:03

They didn’t make what they expected to.

Ragnarok_6192025-12-16 22:10

Somewhat true for MI, but F1 clearly made a lot. Plus, everyone loved it, from critics to general audience, which says a lot about a sport that's rather niche in larger parts of the world.

Plus, sinners made a lot for a rather sombre topic. That's definitely not for kids.

Huckleberry_Sin2025-12-19 06:46

F1 was badass. Entertaining ass film.

mmmasian2025-12-16 13:41

I've joked about this before, but I'll tell you what successful movies had in 2025 that Marvel didn't - CGI animals. Parents love taking their kids to CGI animal movies.

If F4 had subbed out HERBIE for Jeff the Land Shark (or straight up just added him to Thunderbolts\*), those movies would have become box office darlings. Between Rocket, King Shark, Eagly, and Krypto, Gunn's figured out the formula (and it's why Supergirl will make money too).

I'm 100% serious when I say that if they had given Sam the ability to talk to birds in Brave New World and given him a CGI Falcon, that film would have made more money.

mmmasian2025-12-16 12:41

I think it's fantastic that you collect everything as soon as it hits Blu-Ray. You're a part of a very small percentage that their Data Analysts categorize as physical sales. Your category used to be a bigger impact, before you could pirate a film in native quality upon digital release.

The data you're contributing with your purchase is that "I would pay for this if it goes direct-to-DVD", not "I want another theatrical quality film".

It's not your fault that you're a part of that demo though. Movie theater ticket pricing, along with everything else in the US since the Trump-COVID one-two punch has been absurd. Inflation and the cost of living have not kept up with middle class salary, and so people are less likely to take risks these days (or even pay for it knowing they'll most likely enjoy it).

Iger and Chapek deserve a lot of the blame too. The Disney+ Initiative spread Feige and The Parliament way too thin - quality control for Eternals, Thor: Love and Thunder, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, The Marvels, and Captain America: Brave New World were abysmal. You had 5 films that had the ingredients for something great squandered by a lack of support to correct the abysmal direction early on because the workload for Marvel Studios tripled.

Greed from multiple fronts has hurt Marvel (and the theater industry as a whole), but with Iger reeling things back, I'm sure things are still salvageable.

Erra1152025-12-16 14:35

Bro who cares, person spends his money how he likes to consume media. Ain’t that deep.

phenomenomnom2025-12-16 19:36

You not wanting to consider things deeply doesn't mean the *topic* don't go deep,

bro

And you don't get to tell other people what to talk about just because you aren't curious,

bro

Blocked. Reddit's best remaining feature since the Great Enshittification of July 2023.

Troghen2025-12-16 21:13

Holy shit, I couldn't have said it better myself. Not to go on an unrelated tangent, but attitudes like that dudes' illustrate why society is so fucked today. GOD FORBID someone thinks or talks about a topic on a deeper level. Nope - who cares bro? It doesn't matter, it's not that deep, shut up.

Except it is. MOST things can be thought about on a deeper level than one would expect. The fact that people actively reject that sort of deeper curiosity or understanding is just baffling to me. Like why the fuck are you even here if you can't handle a basic conversation? Good lord. I hate sounding like a boomer but the internet and the hyper focus on instant gratification and algorithm-driven content has absolutely ERODED people's attention spans and ability to think critically about anything.

Huckleberry_Sin2025-12-15 23:25

It was honestly boring. Gave up on it like 2/3 of the way thru. I couldn’t finish it. Was so confused why it was so hyped up. Same thing w F4. Hyped up like it was pre-Endgame quality (all the dumb “Marvel’s back!” Comments) but it was mid.

Heisenburgo2025-12-15 23:38

> don't complain about their focus on the giant spectacle movies like Avengers when you're not willing to go to theaters to support the smaller ones I guess?

Sorry but why are you blaming anyone here? Marvel is NOT entitled to anyone's money, not even when they make quality products.

You can't just oversaturate the market with a million movies and expect people to tune-in to each one of them everytime, not when they've been burned by your products many times before, and especially NOT on THIS economy.

And the movie was "just okay". Like don't get me wrong I really liked it, and I don't think it's bad by any means, but it only seems excellent cause many of their recent movies have sucked so it sticks out in comparison. And a movie being "just okay" nowadays is just a hard sell for most audiences sadly.

So... blaming fans for not watching movies in current-era cinemas is just wrong imo, especially when some people pay 20 dollars for Disney Plus to NOT worry about that sort of thing. If its gonna come to a service i already pay for then why would i spend like 60 dollars to take the family to go watch it? Its just the complicated times we living in

Troghen2025-12-16 00:13

Honestly you make a fair point. I think my comment (and the sentiment in general, cause I'm definitely not the first to say it) stems from the frustration that people have been complaining about Marvel's quality for several years now, and when they finally seem to have course corrected a bit and put out a movie that most people would agree was better than the majority of recent offerings, it ended up failing cause people didn't support it.

And sure - Marvel certainly burnt a lot of their good faith so it's not entirely on the consumer. But at the end of the day, if you want to encourage a company to continue doing something, you have to vote with your wallet. All of the reviews around the movie were positive and there was a lot of buzz that it was great, so if you want to see more great stuff, the answer is to support it in theaters if you can instead of choosing to wait

Erra1152025-12-16 14:39

But at the end of the day it’s not the fault of the consumer watching a movie after it’s out and enjoying it.
that’s the fault of the studio not getting more people in seats during theatre runs.

rvdp662025-12-16 02:16

F4 did really well but didn't step too far outside the lines like bolts did. Thunderbolts makes me worried the mouse is just going dump nostalgia for the fans.

And even more worried the fans will slurp it up.

Nojopar2025-12-16 03:50

Ain't going to the theaters to support giant spectacles like Avengers anymore either.

It's a new world for some of us.

Feahnor2025-12-16 08:11

We need to accept that almost in 2026 people are not very interested in going to the theaters anymore. They only go for kids movie and maybe twice a year.

That’s life, the business has changed.

justtjon2025-12-16 21:48

Yep this is why we have to have RDJ, Chris Evans, and 2000s X-Men nostalgia bullshit instead of an actual good Avengers movie.

Teliporter3342025-12-15 22:36

It was really good, I’d say my second favourite superhero movie of the year. The humor from all the banter, which was really well written, was genuinely funny and made the characters feel like real people. Plus the arcs that Yelena, Bob, and, especially, John go through were really effective.

I’ll get hate for this but:

(In order from great to good to okay/good)

- Fantastic Four: First Steps

- Thunderbolts

- Superman

demonoddy2025-12-15 22:51

I agree. Superman was good but nothing groundbreaking imo

PSUNittany182025-12-15 23:00

This is my list as well. I went into Superman hearing people say it’s the great thing ever and I left very disappointed. It’s solid but not as amazing as a lot of people say it is.

Heisenburgo2025-12-15 23:49

Superman was my favorite hero movie this year. Felt like watching a comic book in real life.

And I really missed seeing the character being depicted properly on the big screen, same with the Fantastic Four, so I appreciated both movies for that factor alone. None of this edgy Snyder's Murderman or Trank's body horror F4 nonsense.

Although I'd still rate Thunderbolts above First Steps, as I felt it was the better movie of the two.

>!Cap 4 is not even in the conversation.!<

marvelfanhere2025-12-15 22:44

I agree, it’s super underrated. It’s a shame it flopped. Wish people gave it more of a chance

demonoddy2025-12-15 22:52

It did well critically which at this point is more important imo

Trauma_Hawks2025-12-15 23:01

Critics don't pay the bills.

demonoddy2025-12-15 23:10

True but it shows the quality is heading in the right direction again. Disney has plenty of money

Ragnarok_6192025-12-15 23:12

Critics scores matters zilch. Hell, I remember people bashing critics here when they gave their fav movies low scores

demonoddy2025-12-15 23:20

That’s just false

Ragnarok_6192025-12-15 23:21

Check the subreddit for Eternals, Black Panther II and Marvels. Hell, there was even a meme, where fans justified anything that suits them for their fav movie

demonoddy2025-12-15 23:27

That’s not what I’m talking about at all. I was more referring to you saying critic scores don’t matter. They do

Ragnarok_6192025-12-15 23:33

Not much in an era where every big studios buy those

demonoddy2025-12-15 23:33

Oh your one of those lol

MagpieOpus2025-12-15 22:49

It was good

demonoddy2025-12-15 22:51

DON’T SKIP ANOTHER MCU MOVIE. EVER

Erra1152025-12-16 14:41

Consume everything for Disney

AgreeableSnow15902025-12-15 22:56

I liked the movie really much.
I just didn’t go to the movies because it’s way too expensive nowadays

Paladar22025-12-15 22:58

How many posts like this can we get? Like seriously

Ragnarok_6192025-12-15 23:13

I thought these stopped

Paladar22025-12-15 23:31

Seriously. It’s every week and it’s always the same posts but you replace it with Thunderbolts/F4/Brand new world/Ironheart like holy shit lol

Ragnarok_6192025-12-15 23:34

Atleast Thunderbolts had some really good scenes. Fantastic Four was Atrocious, and Ironheart was shit, except for the last episode

Paladar22025-12-15 23:40

I agree Thunderbolts is by far the best we got this year. I was there opening day for all 3 anyway lol

Ragnarok_6192025-12-15 23:41

Care to share how you felt for all three in theater?

Paladar22025-12-16 00:26

Disliked BNW, loved Thunderbolts, dissapointed with F4 so I thought it was fine to good but expected much more

Usual_Emphasis_5352025-12-16 01:03

Sorry if it was redundant! Just wanted to get my thoughts out there, though I haven't spent much time on this sub as well.

dwide_k_shrude2025-12-16 09:41

Rogue One is an underrated movie.

Terrible-Piano-54372025-12-15 23:02

Florence was wonderful in this movie. Everybody was really good but she took it over the top.

Usual_Emphasis_5352025-12-16 01:04

Absolutely bro🔥

aere19852025-12-16 13:00

Her conversation on the street corner with Red Guardian (David Harbour) was immense. Such raw emotion, no music to drive that scene either. Just two excellent actors, both acting through a heavily put-on accent too.

moviefan19972025-12-15 23:11

It's one of the better movies Marvel has released post Endgame.

Usual_Emphasis_5352025-12-16 00:59

Agreed, along with Gotg3 its up there with post endgame stuff

Flying_Mohawk2772025-12-15 23:14

It was fantastic.

It really dived into mental health and stuck with it even in the third act.

TN_Jed132025-12-17 14:15

I’ve rewatched the movie a few times now while flying and the symbolism of Bob beating ‘himself’ up makes me tear up. Really powerful moment and I like that they carried that theme throughout.

Ragnarok_6192025-12-15 23:19

Seems like this sub won't let go of the "Thunderbolts is the second coming of jesus" narrative, that it tries so hard to drill onto others.

But the reality is, this movie flopped on all reliable metrics, bar the critics score. It massively flopped in theaters, it did piss poor in home media and streaming, and the general audience have an apathetic indifference towards it, and rightfully so.

The pacing was absolutely atrocious. It wanderered way too much on first act, then rushed the second act to finally limp towards the finale. The same old "edgy, grungy archetype" that people somehow relate to as if marvel haven't made better movies depicting mental health struggles ( Iron Man 3, Far From Home, No Way Home, Wandavision).

No one aside from this sub and the other marvel sub praise it, yet if you go by this sub, this movie made three billion dollars and cured cancer. Casual fans who already were indifferent, got their expectations increased which crashed this movie even more

Not a movie to fix half a decade of audience alienation

Huckleberry_Sin2025-12-15 23:29

Totally agreed. They hyped this movie up as tho it was a 10/10 “Marvel’s back baby” kinda vibe but then all it does is disappoint you when you actually watch the movie and it’s boring af. Like I legit tried to care about the characters and the movie but honestly it was so hard.

Nobody cares about these characters and they didn’t do anything to make us care.

Ragnarok_6192025-12-15 23:32

And we are labelled the haters for actually wanting the brand to succeed

Heisenburgo2025-12-15 23:46

Gotta agree with those criticisms, I liked the movie on my first watch but on a rewatch the pacing just felt so slow. They spent too much time on that facility at the start imo, and the second act was basically just the desert chase and what happens right after it, and it wasn't exactly the most interesting thing.

Third act was great though, although I felt it was weirdly small in scale for what was happening, which just felt dissonant to me as it felt contradictory to the nature of the Void as an antagonist.

The movie was decent, but it did have some glaring problems imo. I still think it's hella risky to make this team one of the main players on DOOM's Day considering how it's, well, a box office flop and all that.

Usual_Emphasis_5352025-12-16 01:01

I'll have to see on a re-watch, it's not perfect but worked for me on first watch

Holiday-Doughnut-3642025-12-18 16:43

"Massively flopped"..it pretty much broke even.. like how melodramatic are you? Also, it scored well on audience and critic reviews. It's the fact that movies like Quantamania and Love and Thunder that broke the trust for fans, slowly but surely with good quality movies like Thunderbolts and Fantastic 4 the trust will come back and Spiderman 4 is just going add more momentum in audience goodwill. Your bias in hating Thunderbolts is obvious, you wouldn't have liked it no matter what..I don't know what's up with your hate boner for this movie.

0LoveAnonymous02025-12-15 23:32

Like the saying goes, "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" because I didn't enjoy it.

Usual_Emphasis_5352025-12-16 00:56

That's the beauty of art, what might work for me won't for others, I love that.

Alarming_Safe33092025-12-15 23:39

It really hit home for me. I have watched it three times and that is saying a lot for some of the current MCU projects

TN_Jed132025-12-17 14:16

I’m at 3 or 4 now (edit: rewatches) and I think it landed for me more personally than any other MCU film.

xDURPLEx2025-12-16 00:11

The only thing that would have put it over the top is Yelena should have confronted Natasha in the void. Just imagine Natasha beating the shit out of her and blaming her for everything from her death to their fucked up childhood and telling her she’ll never be better than her and so on. Then ending with the hug snapping Bob out of the void. That would have hit so hard.

Usual_Emphasis_5352025-12-16 00:57

That would've been an interesting scene for sure

RedPanda18022025-12-16 01:39

It was depressing

xyZora2025-12-16 01:44

I don't blame you for skipping it. I did to because of burnout and because of lack of any decent marketing. Most people didn't even know this film was out.

My hope is that Marvel will see the positive word of mouth from the fandom and give it another chance. Along with FF, it's their best film from this decade.

Prize_Instance_14162025-12-16 02:06

I’m tired of seeing un or under powered super heros. Other than Bob, I was mostly bored at the action.

I want hulk ( real hulk not professor hulk), Thor, thing, quicksilver, colossus, rogue etc. I don’t want John wick marvel.

Usual_Emphasis_5352025-12-16 04:09

I really want a hulk movie. One that is really character driven and is really about Bruce because there's so much potential for a great film there

GrandArchSage2025-12-16 02:15

If I had a nickel for every post I saw for someone realizing they slept on Thunderbolts, The Marvels, and Fantastic Four... I'd have like, a dollar. Which isn't that much, but it's still a lot of nickels.

It's cool for OP to finally see this movie.

Usual_Emphasis_5352025-12-16 04:06

Yeah lmao, was the marvels any good? I skipped on that one too

GrandArchSage2025-12-16 04:18

I think it belongs in the top ten, but others tend to have a bit cooler view on it. Con: super underwhelming villain. Pros: It's the Marvel definition of a fun movie. Like, pretty much everyone agrees the movie is FUN. The fight scene at the beginning is one of my favorites.

Usual_Emphasis_5352025-12-16 04:48

I'll give it a watch!

nA0m172025-12-16 03:50

The "daddy I'm so alone" scene got me crying like a baby. I've rarely related so hard to a movie speech before 😞

Usual_Emphasis_5352025-12-16 04:10

Absolutely great scene, this film was one of the most honest I've seen from marvel lately, honestly is great

evetsleep2025-12-16 19:38

I've seen it multiple times now and this scene, every time yanks water out of my eyes. Damnit.

Awkward-Fox-14352025-12-16 04:44

The problem is it wasn’t a good movie outside of that. I appreciate it had something to say, but the rest was nonsense.

Most-Round-41322025-12-16 08:53

tbolts was boring, glad you enjoyed it tho!

Soulwarfare422025-12-16 13:24

Marvel won't do more like this because there are too many people, including you, who won't go to the cinema's and watch it

Support it in cinema

Erra1152025-12-16 14:43

Oh no Disney will be having a really hard time I’m sure.

Global-Possession-502025-12-16 15:05

It was a mehh movie at best, with boring/cliche characters and an underwhelming third act. Marvel is cooked and never coming back.

MechanicOk48082025-12-16 17:47

Thunderbolts was the best movie Marvel has done in years - it's certainly the best superhero movie this year:

1, Thunderbolts

2. Superman

3. F4

57. Cap 4

Carinne892025-12-16 19:03

The way they did the effects when sentry sends someone to the void, the silence and shadow, just sudden nothingness, knocked the breath out of me in theater. Quietly profound feeling.

Excellent representation of depression all around.

lunawiccasirena2025-12-16 19:04

Felt the same! I was a huge marvel fan before. Not just in MCU but read comics warched cartoons as a kid. But hen it just became so overwhelming, I stopped. I watched thunderbolts when it released in disney+ cause I like the concept of underdogs and I loved it so much.

Hufflepuffpassmethej2025-12-16 19:41

Thunderbolts was good but I felt it suffered from the same lack of extra plot that FF did

I just wanted a bit more out of both of these films, both of which I actually enjoyed a lot.

But Marvel needed these to be bigger films. I think improving the plots of either film would have gone a long way.

They were good I just wanted more out of FF, Thunderbolts was also good, I just was left a little less satisfied than I wish I had been with this movie

Terrible-Group-96022025-12-16 20:06

Aaaargh I hate these kinds of posts. We can't have more nice things because people like you didn't go to see it in the theater so it was deemed a flop! All the critic and user reviews at the time were positive, there's no excuse.

hitma-n2025-12-16 20:18

It was a beautiful movie the only character I didn’t like in it was Red Guardian. He wasn’t written properly and his comedy scenes were mostly cringe.

Honestly he was better written in Black Widow imo.

_IratePirate_2025-12-16 20:38

I really like how short and concise it felt

aresef2025-12-16 21:09

It was a movie-movie about these misfit toys. Jake Schreier got to take these characters and make an indie film with them, essentially.

Laeonheart782025-12-16 21:26

I thought Thunderbolts was an improvement on prior movies like MoM/CA Brave New World but to me it was just a little better than ok. A 6. I preferred F4 and honestly I think audiences did not show up because the movie was not all that distinct, given the characters are not well known to audiences and they all don't come from very well known projects apart from Bucky.

The Banter is fun but the plotting of the movie and Valentina as a villain do not work for me. What is Ghost's arc. Taskmaster was a pretty pointless addition in my eyes. Waller is entertaining but his arc could have been refined more in trying to appeal to others and I think the death of Taskmaster and his treatment of her when dead as a joke felt distasteful. Bob and Yelena are really the heart of the movie but there is also an irony in Yelena asking for more front-facing roles after doing clean-up and blowing up scientists without regard for the consequences.

The emotional arc abd throughpoint of darkness in the background of these characters is good but it is a mostly Yelena focused movie, which while not bad should have spared a few more minutes for Walker and a decent bit more for Ghost. Valentina is pretty meh and at worst unbearable for me as a watcher and not in an entertaining way.

phoenixrose22025-12-16 22:08

I knew it would be a favorite with “Interconnected shame rooms.”

-theredknight-2025-12-16 22:14

I’m tired of being gaslit into believing that movie was good, it was the worst marvel movie I’ve ever seen and I don’t like the way marvel is headed with using the thunderbolts as their “new avengers”

implodingnerd2025-12-17 02:18

It's in my top 5 MCU movies just because of the pure relatability and brilliance of how they handled and showed depression.

Smaragd442025-12-17 11:42

Go to the theatre next time! I'm sick of all these people saying, "i skipped this movie, but i finally watched it. It was so underrated and deserved more😢" months after the movie was released.

BananaMobile13832025-12-17 16:05

Meanwhile I thought Thunderbolts was a rip-off Everything, Everywhere All at Once and anytime I had the desire to watch Thunderbolts I wind up watching EEAAO because the acting, action set pieces and execution of the theme of community are all just better.

That being said, Thunderbolts is the a good MCU movie that really is missing action which would’ve made it a great movie (w/o an caveats).

LeBio212025-12-17 17:59

Can quite confidently say it has made it into my Top 10 MCU movies, and probably Top 5 Post-Endgame projects overall including shows (GOTG3 and Loki were a bit better imo, and other solid ones were NWH, DP&W, F4, Shang-Chi, WandaVision and even DDBA are all pretty close for me but I think T* is more "well rounded" than those projects)

Only seen it twice but loved it right away, the music is awesome and the visuals are pretty refreshing despite not being that crazy. They took a random set of side characters I only kinda cared about and made them into one of my favorite teams in the MCU, by finding their common points and telling an actual story about something, not just being a piece of entertainment made to build on the wider MCU. But it still managed to do both those things while keeping things human and intentful. Really excited to see what Jake Schreier does with X-Men, and this was somehow the movie that made me the most excited for Doomsday

Accomplished-Pea-7062025-12-23 04:58

Best marvel film since endgame.