post-Secret Wars timeline

Do you think we’re gonna see New York (Avengers/Spider-Man), the X-Mansion (Mutants), and The Baxter Building (Fantastic Four)—and place them all on the single "Revised Earth-199999," sharing one unified history. Until the Multiverse collapses. with the cataclysmic dual-event of Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars.

The core MCU timeline (Earth-199999) is consumed and reconstituted. It is forged into a single, cohesive "New Sacred Timeline." This reality retains the crucial emotional history of the Infinity Saga (Iron Man’s sacrifice, Thanos, The Blip) but retroactively integrates missing lore from adjacent realities. A soft-rebooted world where the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and classic Spider-Man elements did not "arrive" via portals. History is rewritten so they have been native to the MCU all along.

Commentaires

Myhtological2025-12-14 17:51

Hopefully after secret wars they’ll go back to the timeline designation they had before they said 616.

Edit: and iron man is getting recasted. I am so sick of people saying “everything happened the same but also XMen and fanatic four were there. No we’re not gonna show it! Tell don’t show that’s the rule!” Boring

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-14 17:55

the MCU creates a Singular Timeline. There are no more incursions, and no more confusing variants.
• The Avengers protect the world from global threats.
• The X-Men protect a world that hates and fears them.
• The Fantastic Four explore the scientific and cosmic unknown.
• Spider-Man defends the streets of a fully realized New York City

Myhtological2025-12-14 17:58

Good job avoiding the actual point of comment

BagofBabbish2025-12-14 18:12

It’s big time coping. Marvel took a stab at removing the expensive avengers events and passing on the mantle of key roles (cap, Hawkeye, etc) and it failed badly. They’re just going to reboot and give us a world with all of them

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-14 18:19

This strategy allows Marvel Studios to "have their cake and eat it too." By utilizing Secret Wars as a narrative reset button, they preserve the emotional investment of the last 15 years (The Infinity Saga) while clearing the "Multiversal baggage" that has complicated recent storytelling.

Myhtological2025-12-14 18:36

Cake and eating it too, would be having iron man’s, tchalla, and Steve back as well.

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-14 18:41

I’m saying not to bring them back no no we’re gonna leave it alone, but the legacies are going to continue

Like armor wars is going to continue the legacy of Tony Stark

T challa son is going to be the next Black Panther

Myhtological2025-12-14 20:01

It was such an important legacy and focus for marvel they shelved armor wars, made Rhodey a Skrull, and separated iron heart as much as possible from Tony

BagofBabbish2025-12-14 22:40

They’re going to recast all of them. Steve will be back. T’Challa will be back. Tony will be back. All of them.

It’s going to be a hard reset.

There also wasn’t “multiverse baggage”. The highest grossing films post-Endgame were all multiverse. They just had very bad writing and planning

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-14 22:59

It’s not going to be hard reset you don’t get it

BagofBabbish2025-12-14 23:09

They announced they’d all be recast.

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-14 23:10

Some will be recast some will stay so 100% of out the question end of story

BagofBabbish2025-12-15 02:12

Google what Kevin Fiege said. I’m not arguing with you and I don’t even necessarily disagree with you. I’m just sharing what I understand to be true

sciencesold2025-12-14 18:35

>they’ll go back to the timeline designation they had before they said 616.

That's not the MCU's designation for the mainline universe tho, it's a universe identical to the MCU. The MCU has its own multiverse....

Wtygrrr2025-12-14 18:44

Why? What have you got against 616?

Myhtological2025-12-14 20:02

I like the comics and movies having different earth numbers. Especially since it’s implied in the comics the MCU exists in the same multiverse

Brit892025-12-14 22:27

No, it doesn't. During the incursions and Secret Wars book, MCU kept going. It kept going because it is placed in a separate Omniverse than where the comics are. Nothing happened in the MCU during the release of the comics.

Also, America Chavez only recently got to terms with her powers in the MCU and didn't know about Spider-Man before MoM, when during the same point in the comics America Chavez is very used to her powers and have even teamed up with Captain Marvel's Ultimates team dealing with the post Secret Wars (book) arcs. Not the same America Chavez, because it's not the same Omniverse.

LADYBIRD_HILL2025-12-14 23:32

The MCU and comics very clearly are in different universes. Otherwise you can't use nexus beings in the movies that aren't the same ones from the comics.

SWPrequelFan815662025-12-15 11:01

Yeah, in the *comics*. The MCU is an adaptation first and foremost, not an alternate reality beholden to the original comics multiverse. It can have the 616 designation all on its own.

and moreover, even if that was the case that it was in the comics' multiverse, the movies literally give an excuse for why there are these repeated designations. The MCU chunk of the Multiverse is mapped out by the Baxter Foundation on Earth-838. The Comics Multiverse is mapped out by the Multiversal Captain Britain Corps. *Two different organizations, two different classification systems.*

FX1142025-12-14 19:40

Are you saying they should remake all of the old movies with the X-Men and Fantastic Four added to them?

Myhtological2025-12-14 20:01

No, what I’m saying is implying they met and interacted is boring. Show it new movies with new stories, with recasted actors

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-14 20:29

President Kevin Feige prefers the term "reset" for the timeline rather than "reboot," emphasizing continuity while clearing the slate.
So It's considered a "soft reboot" because it won't erase everything; rather, it will refresh the universe and allow for new directions, similar to how Daredevil: Born Again felt connected but new

discarded like a hard reboot (e.g., DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths comic event).

Myhtological2025-12-14 20:41

If it quacks like a duck

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-14 20:44

OK, don’t think the wrong way pal

therealmonkyking2025-12-14 17:56

It'll probably just be 199999 with the F4 and X-Men integrated into the timeline like Miles Morales was integrated into 616 after Secret Wars 2015.

But tbh, I'd rather they reboot everything into 828, with more faithful classic-esque adaptations of characters like the X-Men and Avengers (PLEASE give us avengers mansion)

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-14 17:58

OK if we reboot everything what about Black Panther 3 , blade Doctor Strange 3 we can’t we can’t let that happen I prefer let the MCU remains

therealmonkyking2025-12-14 17:59

Hopefully they'd be retooled into being soft relaunches of their respective characters, or they pull a DCU and retcon specific details like Peacemaker S2 did

CalmGiraffe13732025-12-14 18:15

I can’t see Ryan Coogler staying on for Black Panther 3 if they were to do that.

therealmonkyking2025-12-14 18:16

Maybe not, but as good as his BP movies have been (even the second one which I still really like) I hope that a potential reboot has his comic accurate intelligence rather than just giving that aspect to Shuri.

ConnerBartle2025-12-14 17:58

The retro future vibes might be the reboot the MCU needs to set itself apart

therealmonkyking2025-12-14 18:00

100% agreed. Making things set in contemporary times again would make it feel pointless unless it's a DCU styled hard reboot that significantly changes the overall tone and look of the franchise

ConnerBartle2025-12-14 18:02

I loved Superman but it felt like a marvel movie. Supergirl looks great but it looks like GotG. If this is the way DC is going then marvel needs to set itself apart so let’s get this retro vibe going!!

Significant_Silver992025-12-14 18:09

The entire DCU has the same tone of GOTG and The Suicide Squad while Lanterns and Paradise Lost (not sure if this is still alive) are going to be lame True Detective and Game of Thrones rip-offs

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-14 18:01

Origin: Integrated from Earth-828
• The Change: The "retro-futuristic" aesthetic of Earth-828 is folded into the main MCU’s 1960s history.
• New Native Status: Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm are established as celebrated celebrity astronauts from the 1960s. They vanished during an experimental voyage (trapped in the Negative Zone or Quantum Realm), becoming myths.
• Lore Integration: Their return brings "native" historical elements back into play:
• The Baxter Building: Retroactively becomes a historic NYC landmark.
• ReedTech: Established as a mid-century rival to Stark Industries, adding depth to the industrial history of the MCU.
• H.E.R.B.I.E. & The Future Foundation: Introduced not as alien tech, but as the evolution of lost human innovation.

Significant_Silver992025-12-14 18:03

The retro future vibes only fits with the F4. it would be weird to see a retro futuristic Daredevil or Punisher

ConnerBartle2025-12-14 18:07

I disagree. Daredevil started in 64. The old school
Mobsters fixing boxing matches is an artifact from that era. And I can easily see the punisher mowing down old school mobsters. It’s not totally retro so assault weapons are still on the table.

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-14 18:11

I don’t think everything won’t be rebooted in 828 so I’m saying what if the fantastic four will be in the MCU 60s decade like they were trapped in the quantum realm or maybe the negative zone to the modern MCU present time

SWPrequelFan815662025-12-15 10:54

Still, I don't see that happening. Daredevil is going through a whole arc adapting Devil's Reign right now. Is that just going to suddenly halt or be redecorated with the 60s aesthetic because of Secret Wars? I think fans would be royally pissed off if a corporate mandate resulted in Daredevil being scrapped/reworked for the *second time* in his show's history.

Regalrefuse2025-12-14 18:21

I don’t think it will ever happen, but a 60s inspired live action spider-man would be incredible

lastaccountlost2025-12-14 17:59

That would actually be a really interesting idea, to take the gritty and modern takes of the characters and translate them into more classic-inspired universe. Probably not to the extent of giving 100% comic accurate suits like they did in Loki S1 and WandaVision, but something more aligned with the old-school comics.

I see it like incorporating the faithful element of Superman in the DCU, but setting it in a modern day.

Significant_Silver992025-12-14 18:05

There was nothing faithful about Superman

RandoDude1242025-12-14 18:19

Have you read All Star Superman?

***His humanity is what was faithful.***

God, Snyder wrecked the vision of Supes

Significant_Silver992025-12-14 18:32

There was barely anything All Star Superman on it and it was more of a poor adaptation of What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way with the Justice Gang murdering people without any consequences at the end

therealmonkyking2025-12-14 18:35

By that stupid logic you could've said the destruction of Sokovia had no consequences at the end of Age of Ultron.

RandoDude1242025-12-14 18:42

“Hardly anything.”

You haven’t read anything, then.

The point of the story ***is his humanity.***

That is what makes him who he is.

***He’s not a god, he’s a person, he’s a chill-ass dude. If you want aura farming and mindless dragon ball fights, fine, stick with Snyder.***

LADYBIRD_HILL2025-12-14 23:26

What? All Star Superman is structured as a seemingly never ending series of trials that Superman is forced to go through while being beaten down again and again, showing his selflessness and love for humanity. Each part of the story explores different parts of Superman's crazy life, and all his different allies, ending with Lex being outsmarted by Superman. The way it's written means that the reader is dropped into different scenarios without the wider context, like with the city of kryptonians that Brainiac shrunk to be tiny.

Superman 2025 is structured very similarly. It's a rollercoaster that only slows down for a few moments (the apartment scene) while exploring all sorts of different parts of the superman mythos and his allies, ending with him outsmarting Lex. Sure, the actual events and people are different from All-Star, but the structure is there, and Gunn's sensibilities when it comes to super heroes is very similar to Grand Morrison's when it comes to embracing the weirdness of characters like Metamorpho.

It's actually insane to say that the movie isn't faithful to Superman as a character. Genuinely, outside of his parents being ill intentioned and Krypto's breed being changed what else exactly is so unfaithful to the source material? This is the most accurate Lex we've ever seen, Lois and Clark's relationship is 100% believable, and above all else, Superman's love for humanity and earth is extremely palpable, much more so than the Snyder version, and I'd argue it's even more apparent than the original movie. We got Lex commanding angry brainwashed monkeys to write tweets about Superman and a comic accurate Guy haircut. What else could you possibly want?

RandoDude1242025-12-15 05:04

*He wants mindless action.*

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-14 18:13

This creates a comic-accurate world where Captain America can team up with Wolverine, and Spider-Man can fight the Green Goblin, not because of a dimensional accident, but because they share a history.

lastaccountlost2025-12-14 19:46

Boy I do love stirring up accidental discourse 😆

RandoDude1242025-12-14 18:18

Amen.

Bring back the Big 3, recast the Avengers, if you wanna keep FF and Falcon, just put them alongside the recasted mains.

Iron Man is gonna be **19 years old** by the time this Avengers arc is done. They have to start fresh.

JamJamGaGa2025-12-14 20:51

Nah, that would ruin what made First Steps so special if they just suddenly made everything look like that.

SWPrequelFan815662025-12-15 10:50

>PLEASE give us avengers mansion

The compound was basically the mansion tbh

JesterMarcus2025-12-16 01:01

I don't think you're going to see the X-Men integrated into the MCU like that the F4 will likely be. They are going to want to cast new actors for a new X-Men.

dpittnet2025-12-14 18:35

Not sure why you revised to 199999 when 616 was correct?

sciencesold2025-12-14 18:36

199999 isn thr MCU, it's the comic universe identical to the MCU. In the MCU the main universe is 616

Wtygrrr2025-12-14 18:40

There is no 199999, only Zuul!

Currycel78912025-12-14 21:42

Actually, I think the Infinity Saga would be erased. This allows Thanos to return for a comic-accurate Infinity Gauntlet movie.

Ragnarok_6192025-12-14 22:03

I am glad the writers are not taking suggestions from fans.

Currycel78912025-12-14 23:23

Oh no, Thanos is 100,000% coming back post-reboot.

This is guaranteed.

And he's going to go for the stones again, or some other cosmic artifact, and this will put him into conflict with the Avengers again.

remerdy12025-12-14 23:37

Why would they remake the movie they already made

Currycel78912025-12-15 00:15

They wouldn't. 1991 Infinity Gauntlet is a completely different story.

JesterMarcus2025-12-16 01:10

Not to the millions of average casual fans around the world that are needed actually keep these movies profitable. Try convincing them to stay entertained and focused on another Thanos/Infinity Stone saga so shortly after the first one. Its not happening. You might see a cartoon, but they are not going to invest hundreds of millions of dollars to retell that story again unless its part of an entirely new and different continuality that would only occur after a complete and total reboot from scratch.

Currycel78912025-12-16 01:54

It will be.

Thanos will come back maniacially obsessed with Lady Death, just like in comics.

Basically, Lady Death will resurrect him and task him with doing it again- and then, many more things.

hell20_2025-12-15 06:37

This guy speaks crazy bs man his views are based on some youtuber's video and he always pops some obnoxious link up everytime you try to debate

Brit892025-12-14 22:20

Comic fans lose their minds when you mention that the MCU kept going during the incursions and Secret Wars book, thus the MCU exists in its own Omniverse and IS NOT SHARED with the comic's Omniverse.

ballinb0ss2025-12-14 22:37

Personally whatever they do I don't care but for general audiences benefit they need to make up a reason why the multi verse is just over after secret wars. People that watch one or two of these per year understand stakes but not multi verse stuff.

Nonadventures2025-12-14 23:13

Maybe they’ll just use the Marvel Rivals plot where Doom’s transdimensional meddling just turns 5-6 realities into one giant soup.

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-14 23:13

I agree

artfrche2025-12-15 05:09

love to see that the disagreement on which number is correct is still going strong… Feige really dropped the ball by insisting on 199999 when in movie they use 616…

bigbrainnowisdom2025-12-15 12:42

Maybe. But oh please dont make it 1999999 it just so an annoying number.

I know the history. It still annoys me.

Just make it 242 or 569 or whatever easy number

demonoddy2025-12-15 20:55

It’s 616

bigbrainnowisdom2025-12-16 13:52

Didnt you read OP post?

We currently have

- 616 (marvel studio MCU),
- 10005 (fox x-men), and
- 828 (fantastic four first step)

OP proposal ia to combine them all to be "new MCU", earth 199999

Now while i get why OP chose that number, i just feel it is too long / too cumbersome.

IndependentBit97452025-12-15 19:20

Am I the only one who's tired of people calling the MCU Earth 1999999 when in reality it's called 616? Like, THE MCU IS AN ADAPTATION OF 616, THE COMICS ARE NOT A PART OF THE MCU'S MULTIVERSE, JUST DEAL WITH IT!!! If Kevin Feige says the MCU's Earth it's called 616, then the MCU's earth is called 616, simple as that, and no, just because Across The Spider-Verse said something different doesn't mean it's canon, those movies are made by Sony and they DO NOT have a word on what is or what isn't canon in the MCU, so just move on and start calling it by its real name, Jesus Christ

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-15 19:29

Listen, I do not watch spider verse movies. They’re dumb.

demonoddy2025-12-15 20:55

It’s 616. 19999 is a fan thing and it’s stupid

IndependentBit97452025-12-17 16:32

THANK YOU

PiratedTVPro2025-12-16 15:33

Yet, the MCU is part of the comic’s 616 multiverse, so…

kyle03052025-12-16 21:26

I really can’t be though. Otherwise the TVA is the same thing, the comic’s Secret Wars has to have destroyed the MCU, the comics need to be affected by the MCU’s Secret Wars etc etc. They are very obviously entirely different multiverses

IndependentBit97452025-12-17 16:32

It's... literally not

ItsAProdigalReturn2025-12-18 18:44

No, it isn't. Have you read the comics or watched the movies? MCU-TVA doesn't interact with the comics, and the new Secret Wars comics didn't destroy the MCU. You're taking the Marvel fandom wiki as gospel.

demonoddy2025-12-15 20:53

Yes it will be a combined 616 but a new team of young X-men not from 10005

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-15 21:45

I know

fiascoist2025-12-16 14:40

The detail that throws off this prediction/theory is that Feige explicitly said in an interview earlier this year that major deceased characters, including Tony Stark and Steve Rogers, would be recast post-Secret Wars. That means this new timeline/universe they create likely can't include the original Tony's sacrifice in Endgame. Which is definitely an odd choice...

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-16 15:01

That’s fine

Affectionate-Bus9272025-12-18 04:38

i want a "fresh start" universe movie series where the original avengers cast from 2012 will have a new adventure every 2 or 3 years, every christmas or new year.

then new villains from the main post-secret wars timeline could travel through the multiverse for a special face off with the avengers and they could do some special crossovers like: Avengers vs. Godzilla, Avengers vs. Aliens (Xenomorphs), Avengers vs. Decepticons, and Avenger vs. Justice League,

and the "fresh start" universe doesn't change exept the cast getting older and older 😆

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-18 12:01

OK, this is Marvel

third-party things can’t connect to crossover stuff.

Affectionate-Bus9272025-12-19 00:23

everything is possible

ItsAProdigalReturn2025-12-18 18:52

Remember guys, the designation "199999" was an unofficial designation which has only be referenced in Enter the Spider-Verse and once in the comics, likely because real-world writers didn't do their due diligence and probably just used the Fandom Wiki page. It's also a way for them to nod at these being in the same universes.

As of now (subject to change after MCU Secret Wars):

* 616 is what the main MCU universe is called in the MCU/MCM (Marvel Cinematic Multiverse)
* 199999 was an unofficial designation
* Spider-Verse is part of the MCU multiverse, and only the Spider-Society calls 616 "199999" (after the unofficial designation)
* The comics used 199999 once (after the unofficial designation) to reference the MCU, but this must be an identical MCU universe that's consistent with the comics, not our exact MCU multiverse.