black panther : wakanda forever
I haven’t seen anyone talk about Black Panther:Wakanda Forever, so I will.
First off. The intro was beautiful. as sad as it was, it was one of the greatest beginnings to a movie I’ve ever seen. 10/10.
Costume and set design. Amazing. Queen Ramonda’s various outfits through the movie? Stunning. Shuri’s various hairstyle? gorgeous. loved it.
this movie has such a different feel from the last one, and I love it. it shows Shuri’s journey. the song choices are also top notch.
THE PLOT TWIST, OMG. Spoilers ahead.
Okoye getting stripped of her rank? made me cry. n’djaka making a cameo? ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT.
i literally cannot fault this movie. I was putting off watching it for a while, because I knew i was gonna cry (which I did 😅) but it was definitely a good watch. 10/10
First off. The intro was beautiful. as sad as it was, it was one of the greatest beginnings to a movie I’ve ever seen. 10/10.
Costume and set design. Amazing. Queen Ramonda’s various outfits through the movie? Stunning. Shuri’s various hairstyle? gorgeous. loved it.
this movie has such a different feel from the last one, and I love it. it shows Shuri’s journey. the song choices are also top notch.
THE PLOT TWIST, OMG. Spoilers ahead.
Okoye getting stripped of her rank? made me cry. n’djaka making a cameo? ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT.
i literally cannot fault this movie. I was putting off watching it for a while, because I knew i was gonna cry (which I did 😅) but it was definitely a good watch. 10/10
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What threw me off is Shuri became a really capable fighter when she's never shown any bandwidth for it. She puts on the suit and can somehow pull all those moves. Of course I'm sure some people will make the excuse of wakandian tech and vibranium and nanites.
There are many possibilities; she spends a lot of time with Okoye, she must have shown him some techniques!
Not to mention she was able to recreate the heart shaped herb and ate it. So she would have automatically been given enhanced strength, agility, speed, senses, and endurance. Thats why she was able to go toe to toe with Namor. She’s definitely not as strong as T’challa was, but she made up for it by incorporating her ranged weapons from the previous movies into her new Black Panther suit.
Plus “El Niño sin amor” is a way more badass name origin. I NEED more Namor in the MCU, first main character with Central American representation and he was sick!
\- they decide to fight the SEA people on a BOAT.
\- the protagonist getting impaled by a spear to the point that I thought: *"Wow, that's an interesting idea. To make the viewer care about the protagonist for the whole film and then kill her off."*
But then the healing of that inch-wide impale wound through her whole body(!) was super easy, barely an inconvenience. She just walks it off. ...
Also: too much mourning for the previous panther.
For me, this was just somewhere around a 6.5/10
Then out of Universe, Chadwick Boseman, the actor who portrayed T’challa for years died literally out of the blue to most people. His death was hard on the cast but also the fans since Chadwick was an icon to many and was someone who a lot of people (especially children) in the Black community looked up to.
Saying that they mourned him too much is not just a stupid criticism of the movie but a slap in the face to the people who had to pick up the pieces after losing a friend. They were tasked with making a movie without their lead actor and they decided to tweak the story ever so slightly and make it a partial tribute. In doing so they added weight to the story and explored themes of loss and trauma that aren’t touched on within the genre often.
You’re entitled to your opinion but that might be the most heartless and insensitive/insulting criticisms I’ve ever read.
Yes. Of course it's a real life and an inUniverse tragedy, and of course real life and inUniverse questions about how to continue must be answered, but it felt like we were dealing the first 20 minutes ONLY mourning him.
How long did we mourn for Tony Stark?
iirc the battlefield kneeling scene was cut, so it's only one scene where the other heroes paid respect and one or two lines in the follow-up spiderman movie about how the world is now different without him.
How long did we mourn for Natasha?
We got a subplot in Hawkeye from it, but mourning?
So in contrast to these two dead characters: Yes, I think that the first act of Wakanda forever is focused too much/long on his death.
But going back to BP, the film was about loss, trauma, and overcoming the death of a loved one. So yes, they were gonna spend a lot of time talking about T’challa. The movie served as both a tribute to the actor and the character. You might not have liked it but like I said it’s a really insensitive criticism.
Dude at the end of the day, the movie is a movie.
You can say that Chadwick Boseman passing is tragic, but also acknowledge that the decisions made for a poor film.
It is strange for your main character to die off screen. That is a bizarre choice, and then to follow that up with an entire film centering on that death doubles down on the uncanniness.
It rarely felt like the movie was mourning T'Challa, but really just Chadwick Boseman. It became distracting.
And those themes of grief and trauma rarely meshed well with the Atlantean plot and introduction of Riri williams.
This felt like a complete movie that was then completely derailed due to Chadwick Boseman passing, which is almost certainly what happened. But they decisions made afterwards just seem rash and reactionary.
It probably would have been better to just recast the role and acknowledge that though tragic, the show would go on.
And that isn't me trying to be heartless or insulting, just me recognizing that I think the decisions made resulted in a significantly worse film.
Even the fact that you are thinking of a mild criticism of a film as insulting demonstrates the confused nature of the film. If they made the exact same film, but Chadwick Boseman hadn't died, that comment would be a big ole nothingburger.
The final battle was real silly; "let's travel to the enemy hometurf where they have all the advantages and rely on this one totally exposed sonic emitter to keep them from swarming us-oh it broke guess we all die now."
Which works, they capture him. The only thing they didnt anticipate was the one person, Namora, who was able to swim through the emitter. Which was an anomaly because I'm pretty sure it showed others unable to do it
There's almost 5,000 comments in that link alone.
“I haven’t seen anyone talk about The Fantastic Four: First Steps, so I will.”
Why is the marvel studios subreddit filled with so many people who hate these movies? I truly do not understand it.
1. T’Chaka gets blown up.
2. T’Challa gets yeeted off a waterfall.
3. Killmonger gets stabbed.
4. T’Challa gets snapped.
5. T’Challa dies of cancer.
6. T’Challa sacrifices himself.
Marvel really dropped the ball with the way they have handled this character and franchise.
But justifying your right and your choice to do so by claiming that you have seen nobody sharing their opinion about the movie is damn weird, since how easy it is to find people talking about it with a simple search in the subreddit
Then it came out on streaming. How can such an epic blockbuster have such shitty sound mixing for the action scenes? It’s inaudible and doesn’t even give emotion. It would be one thing is the music was over powering for emotional effects, but it’s a muddled mess. :(
Similarly, some of the underwater and night scenes are simply too dark. Why film something if you don’t want the audience to see anything?
From a character, storytelling, cinematography, music, acting, and emotional perspective, I have always thought BP2 is top 5 MCU movies. So so underrated. I especially adore Shuri and Namor’s arcs, and the religious themes.
I don't really know why people talk about the final fight like its the Wakandans being stupid as opposed to it literally being the Wakandans intentionally putting themselves at a disadvantage to gain the element of surprise, capture Namor and leave.
Both end with shitty CGI fights and a lacklustre ending to that fight. The black boat thing is so horrible it looks like they didn’t even bother making a design. It also makes the Wakandans look very incompetent
I think it could've used some more editing. I remember thinking that Riri's story AND Val's(? The white CIA lady) story made the movie about 45 minutes too long.
It has excellent moments. Shuri's science restoring the herb flower thing? Nice. Killmonger returning because she wants revenge? Perfection. Any time Okoye is on screen? Fantastic. Just needed more editing.
You love it? Great! Even if it was your favorite movie, great! But it’s an 8 at best.
Iron heart’s amount of screen time, alone, drop the movie a point.
I love it. I like iron heart and her show, but BP2 just isn’t a perfect movie.
Pacing and an odd focus on Riri really hurt the film imo. I do, however, think it has higher highs than the first, though the first is a bit better imo.
I will say that they may be closer to each other than I’m giving credit as there’s a bit allure to the mystery reveal going into Wakanda and spending time with the characters for the first time.
Edit: I have almost no “standard reddit” gripes with it. I love Suri, love N’amor, and like Riri.