Assuming these movies earn Marvel back a lot of goodwill with casual audiences, what do you think the plan for the next saga is?
They clearly made a lot of mistakes with The Multiverse Saga and just went in with a "let's see what happens" approach instead of planning it out properly. Some stuff landed well, a lot of it didn't. It was pretty messy overall and definitely killed most people's enthusiasm for the MCU. It seems like the studio understands that and is working hard to make sure they get things back on track.
There have been rumours that the Russo brothers are sticking around post-Secret Wars to help oversee the next Saga, so I'm curious what people think the plan is for the immediate future.
If the success of these next two Avengers movies relies so heavily on the returns of RDJ and Chris Evans then what does mean for the next saga (which presumably won't include them)? who's gonna be the face of the MCU going forward?
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There have been rumours that the Russo brothers are sticking around post-Secret Wars to help oversee the next Saga, so I'm curious what people think the plan is for the immediate future.
If the success of these next two Avengers movies relies so heavily on the returns of RDJ and Chris Evans then what does mean for the next saga (which presumably won't include them)? who's gonna be the face of the MCU going forward?
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I just don't think it's likely that they focus solely on the X-Men when most of Marvel's IP consist of non-X-Men characters. What about the Avengers, Fantastic Four, Defenders, Spider-Man, etc.?

Infinity saga of the top of my mind, avengers, Thor 2, Thor 3, Avengers 2, ant man 2, gog, Doctor Strange, Captain America.
Those are movies that directly set up very important plot points (Thanos existence, the infinity gems and their presence in the universe, quantum realm) not just introduce characters.
From the multiverse saga...MoM, F4, maybe thunderbolts if the theories about doom using sentry too happen, loki season 2? Maybe quantumania if kang is a stepping stone? And The marvels i guess
Like yeah they could be re releasing endgame just to generate hype, or because they know most of their projects dont have much influence over their rushed over climax beyond a few concepts and a majority of character most outside the loyal fandom decided to skip so they pretty much have to carry everyone over from a movie that released 6 years ago
Marvel Studios will keep doing Spider-Man, Avengers, X-Men and FF films. Phase 7 begins with X-Men and likely ends with an Avengers + FF + X-Men crossover.
What else would they focus on? The current roster of the MCU largely can't sell tickets at the box office or get people to watch on Disney+.
Disney's a business, they aren't going to keep losing money.
I wonder what the big Avengers-style movies will be called. Will it start with the new one that's *X-Men* and then pivot to smaller titles with one or a two at a time (Storm, Gambit standalones etc.) until *X-Men: Subtitle* like they did with Avengers > Avengers: Age of Ultron, or something else like just main X-Men movies featuring them until something like X-Men v. Avengers?
Curious to see how they handle them and the Avengers team(s) simultaneously.
This will basically be a full reset is my thought. They now can build the universe they always wanted with X-Men, F4 and Spiderman at the center and take a break from the avengers. The next saga will have to do everything the first did, which is nail the casting for the major characters. New Wolverine, Storm, Prof X, Jean and Cyclops will have to be hits like the avengers were. Also they’ll need to hit on the lesser known heroes. There are probably a dozen characters like Deadpool that aren’t known to the non comic fan that can be huge money makers.
Are the upcoming Avengers movies' comic book source material responsible for generating that chatter? I don't know many CB stories well.
He also said that they're going to be recasting a new Iron Man and Steve Rogers eventually.
Steve and Tony aren’t definitively coming back, either.
*Amy Pascal and David Heyman are now searching for a new James Bond,” Feige said, referring to the producers of Amazon MGM’s upcoming Bond film. “David [Corenswet], the new Superman — he was awesome. That will always be the case.”*
Reboot for me, means: same characters, new actors, same premise. *Battlestar Galactia* (2004) is my go-to example for what a reboot is.
Thanks for the quote!
I feel the same way about X-Men. Love the Fox team and many of the movies to death but I want to see the original team done right, finding their footing and trying to become a proper team and family before we move onto other deeper cut mutants. We've never had it done properly in live-action, and plus there's something special about seeing the origin of MCU versions anyway with all that being part of the MCU affords compared to other prior versions.
X-men in MCU just too late to care
Oh and midnight suns
Whatever james gun is doing with same universe animation is great...ask the actors to only voice the characters and it's solved.
- Shine more of a spotlight on the Fantastic Four
- Recast Tony, Steve, Hank, Janet, Thor, Hulk, and everyone else from 616 and start the Avengers team again with the original members, keeping it more faithful to 616 comic continuity
What they’ll most likely be doing:
- Lots more emphasis on the X-Men
- More emphasis on Spider-Man
Regarding recasting time, it’s already been ~7 years since Endgame, by the time Secret Wars is out it’ll almost be a decade. I think by that point recasting seems reasonable
I hope Jan and Hank are part of the lineup instead of BW and Hawkeye. To make things different, I would do an Avengers vs Master of Evil film.
Everyone hero gets a personal arch-villain.
Focus on establishing the F4, X-Men and do stuff with mephisto..probably ghost rider, Blade, moon knight.
The new bad needs to be built properly...and apocalypse shouldn't be the big bad...he should be only a X-Men villian...
People like moon knight are both mythical and street level....daredevil can hear spirits as well..
Adapting Acts of Vengeance with the X-Men, FF, Spidey and Avengers villains would be great. Instead of setting up a hero team, the films will set up a villain team.
They have done this since the last round as well
Iron Man 1 is gonna be 19 years old, after you defeat Doom start over with the big 3
She shows up as a villain in the main book a couple years later with zero explanation given at all. No time travel shenanigans, no "I've lived billions of years thanks to you", just... ignored, not even a somehow palpatine returned.
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The Great Nexus Event
In the climax of Secret Wars, the surviving heroes reject a simple restoration of the old timeline. Instead, they trigger a catastrophic but constructive Nexus Event.
The core MCU timeline (Earth-199999) is consumed and reconstituted. It is forged into a single, cohesive "New Sacred Timeline." This reality retains the crucial emotional history of the Infinity Saga (Iron Man’s sacrifice, Thanos, The Blip) but retroactively integrates missing lore from adjacent realities.
- Spider-Man will likely continue to be a major player as long as Tom Holland wants to stick with the role. I imagine we’ll get at least 2 more solo movies with him after Secret Wars. Likely involving the symbiote and Venom.
- Doomsday/Secret Wars could introduce a new T’Challa who may be an aged up version of the OG T’Challa’s son from the end of BP2. After Secret Wars, the timeline is altered in a way where this new T’Challa is our main Black Panther going forward. This leads into Black Panther 3 which is all about our new Black Panther living up to his father’s legacy.
- The Fantastic Four cast will definitely stick around, but probably be added to the same timeline as the other heroes. That said, it’d be a shame to lose the retro futuristic style that made First Steps so unique so maybe some elements of that aesthetic could carry over into this new timeline.
- If RDJ’s take on Doom is well received then I could imagine a world where he sticks around for a few more movies after Secret Wars. Maybe in a future Fantastic Four sequel.
- Captain America is a tricky one. It’s totally possible Chris Evan’s could still be Steve after Secret Wars and maybe we get a 5th Captain America movie with Steve and Sam sharing the title. They could also totally reboot Captain America, but you’d think that would mean also recasting Sam and Bucky since it’d be weird to have a new Steve, but old Sam and Bucky.
- I could see Chris Hemsworth playing Thor for the rest of his life and being one of the few characters that never gets recast.
- I do think we’ll get a new actor as Tony Stark at some point. I think it’d be very interesting to see a younger actor in his 20s or early 30s take over the role. Maybe flip the script where Spidey is the experienced hero that has to deal with a younger and reckless Iron Man.
The problem was never Sam, despite what some people will tell you. The problem is the same one that killed Quantumania, Secret Invasion, The Marvels, and Love & Thunder around the same time - Disney pumping out slop without having any clue what kind of project they even want to make, let alone the vision for how they want to make it.
I don't think that's safe to assume. The movie \*might\* have broke even, but it also had weak word of mouth and a sequel would almost certainly come in much lower. I think there's fairly high odds they don't carry them forward.
>Captain America is a tricky one. It’s totally possible Chris Evan’s could still be Steve after Secret Wars and maybe we get a 5th Captain America movie with Steve and Sam sharing the title. They could also totally reboot Captain America, but you’d think that would mean also recasting Sam and Bucky since it’d be weird to have a new Steve, but old Sam and Bucky.
Feige explicitly sited Sam as a reason why Captain America 4 didn't do well. I doubt they're going to continue to invest there. If Feige is stating in interviews that Sam can't bring in box office, he's saying \*much\* worse in executive meetings, and they're not following that path further.
>I do think we’ll get a new actor as Tony Stark at some point. I think it’d be very interesting to see a younger actor in his 20s or early 30s take over the role. Maybe flip the script where Spidey is the experienced hero that has to deal with a younger and reckless Iron Man.
That door closes with Doomsday/Secret War, there's no more multiverse, so there's no path to that. It would be interesting, but they won't have that option anymore.
Yes, thats right. When they were looking for writers for the second attempt at Phoenix, there was quite literally, only one person in existence known for making a bad Phoenix movie and THATS the person they chose. Incredible.
Everything they love
PHASE 7:
* X-Men (original 5)
* Spider-Man 5 (he abandons the black suit towards the end, ft Human Torch and Miles, post credit Eddie Brock)
* Shang-Chi 2
* Doctor Strange 3 (tease Wanda being alive)
* Black Panther 3
* Fantastic Four 2 (ft. Spider-Man, Namor and Black Panther - Wanda post credit) - this would be our Phase ender
* Champions (epilogue to the phase - Rogue takes out Captain Marvel)
PHASE 8:
* Wolverine vs Hulk
* Giant Sized X-Men (with Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus and Kitty, ft. Namor and Kamala - post-credit Wanda)
* Spider-Man 6 (ft. Shang-Chi vs Venom. Miles learns from Peter. We think Peter dies.)
* Shang-Chi 3
* Fantastic Four 3
* Blade
* Champions / Avengers crossover - results in a streamlined single team
* House of M (bring in Rogue and Gambit. Apocalypse post credit)
PHASE 8:
* Thor vs Hercules
* Blade 2
* Spider-Man - Miles Morales
* Fantastic Four 4
* Age of Apocalypse p1
* Spider-Man (return of Peter)
* Age of Apocalypse p2
The two Avengers films won't change that. Nothing will. X-Men, Spider-Man, and Avengers will be the AAA-tier franchises.
Fantastic Four 2 will be a decisive moment to see if the 2 Avengers film catapulted their popularity to A-Tier or if they'll remain B-Tier for now. BP3 and DS3 will close those franchises for now.
After all this nostalgia Multiverse stuff they desperately need to change things up
- X-Men will get a whole recast and be brought into the main MCU. Likely to get a trilogy
- Fantastic Four will be brought into the main MCU as well and we get at least a trilogy with the team
- Spider-Man will conclude his second trilogy with Tom Holland passing the torch to Miles Morales
- Doctor Strange will get a 3rd and potentially 4th film as Benedict seems really enthusiastic still to be playing the character
- Thor will get one final film because Chris didn't seem to like Love and Thunder being the final film. Plus, the Hercules tease needs a payoff
- Blade will happen, whether Mahershala stays on is up for debate but it will happen
- Ghost Rider will probably have a film as well
- Midnight Suns, the ensemble team for tackling supernatural will definitely happen
- Shang Chi will get a trilogy as he is easily the most popular of the post-Endgame heroes
- Black Panther 3 of course will happen
- A New Guardians of the Galaxy film with the new team
- They will start having Avenger films at the end of each phase again
- Nova is apparently happening as a TV series. Young Avengers/Champions team is also reportedly a TV series as well.
- Wishful thinking but Mark Ruffalo Hulk finally getting one solo film would be nice
- Cap 5 and Captain Marvel 3 and Eternals 2 I don't see happening with Marvel taking less risk now. Most likely they will only appear in Avengers or cameo in other films.
It’ll feel like 1991 all over again
Spider-Man
X-Men
Avengers (as a proper normal team not just a crossover)
Guardians
Midnight Suns
Rotating established solo
New IP chance
Marvel Studios Presents: Crossover
Streaming yearly:
Defenders - all defenders spread out to different cities and it's an ensemble national show (Daredevil: New York, Jessica Jones: Chicago, Punisher: Texas, Luke Cage: Atlanta, Iron Fist: LA)
Yearly animation series
Special Presentation
Many challenges occurred post endgame.
Also, X-Men
They’ll get to focus strictly on them. The only other characters I see getting love are Black Panther, Spiderman, Dr. Strange (with Midnight Sons), Fantastic Four (with other cosmic characters) and Avengers assembled teams like Thunderbolts with Sam’s team, and the YA.
I don’t think Thor survives SW. could be wrong but honestly he doesn’t have much left in story unless they find a “Logan” story send off for him.
They are stripping back a ton.
hopefully they don't make Iceman and Rogue have a romance plot.
Maybe MCU fades to the background like the comics. Then in 2050 becomes huge again on some new platform. The future adults will get their memberberries squeezed and show their kids whatever it is (vr?) and everyone unites under the Marvel flag once again.
In the mean time i hope they do XMen right.
I can't imagine they'll go this route but, IMO, they should use the multiverse angle to pivot into a different multiverse without the Avengers, etc. and do what they did with the Avengers only with the X-Men.
I always thought the X-Men made a lot more sense in their own multiverse anyway.
This is just how time works.
They don’t read comics at all basically. They barely watch superhero cartoons that aren’t Spider-Man related. They don’t seem interested in superheroes beyond gooning to Marvel Rivals. They don’t seem interested in Star Wars beyond how it fits into Fortnite.
They aren’t interested in the MCU or the DCU.
The MCU is fading into the background and becoming niche. I expect that Doomsday may hit $1 Billion (they need it to) because Spider-Man will make a $1 Billion and that will absolutely have to lead into Doomsday, but I’m not like, rock solid on that. The movies it’s built on all massively underperformed and pre-2020 would’ve been called outright *bombs* by the people in this sub. Hell, the X-Men thing is even more tenuous because A) the X-Men universe never hit over $750M worldwide to begin with (Deadpool is the only “X” franchise to do so) and B) I think the highest grossing movie of the core franchise is still X3: The Last Stand. So not the huge addition that many might’ve thought going in. And everyone in that cast is like, retirement home-aged.
Look we all were super excited about X-Men and Fantastic Four. Fantastic Four didn’t hit with people. Instead it was seen as relatively boring and safe and uninteresting to the broader public. Pedro was miscast out of the gate (just my personal feelings). But unless they can get Gen Z interested in X-Men (and the X-Men 97 cartoon did not play to people under the age of 30 overall basically) I don’t think the Marvel Studios thing is going to work long term outside of Spider-Man. I said this is in 2019.
Build the whole thing around Spider-Man, and it’ll be safe. But because of the way the rights for Spider-Man are—they chose to try their own strategy of using the B-C Tier shit. Look where that got them.
1.) The nostalgia factor from the xmen is something literally only hardcore marvel fans care about and plus we’ve already had deadpool 3
2.) 80 percent (this is me being nice) of post endgame has flopped critically and or financially
3.) unlike infinity war people don’t know what this film is about and whose in it like regular people knew the avengers and the guardians were appearing and that a guy named thanos has been pulling the strings all along wants to collect stones like a year before the film came out
2026 has to go really good
I’m talking born again season 2 and Spider-Man 4 have to be amazing and Spider-Man 4 has to gross at least a billion and I’d doubt doomsday is gonna surpass what Spider-Man 4 grosses
They have to drop footage and pepper us with trailers and fake deaths for a whole year
This is how i would like them to handle things
-doomsday/secret wars
- Xmen (introduce the new team and cast and magneto as the villain)
- nova (its about damn time i think team up with starlord at this point and maybe even the death of atarlord at this movie)
- thor (the ballade of beta ray bill)
- fantastic four 2 (mini team up with some avengers and maybe few xmen against galactus and his heralds like terrax)
- Avengers:masters of evil (the avengers assemble against baron zemo and his team of villains)
- black panther (inspired by ta nehisi run first ancounter with the shiar empire and other empires in the universe clashing over intergalactic matter like mkraan shrad that would continue the cosmic side after nova first appearance who will be a part of this movie guiding tchalla in the intergalactic area)
- celestials judgment day (first big event with every team on earth with a wrap on the celestials side of the mcu and finish the eternals story)
- xmen (im thinking mr sinister storyline )
- annihilation (first big cosmic event with nova building the annihilators team that will win the cosmic war against annihilus after the lost of his dear friend star lord, the team will include beta ray bill silver surfer gladiator and add to the team in the mcu adam warlock and thor and maybe even sentry but im not sure about this one instead of ronan and ikon)
Stretch this up over 4-5 years with some individual heroes between those movie getting a movie of their own and of course post credits scenes to build up each storyline and i think it can be awesome