MCU movies need to diversify their genre and storytelling
I’m sure this is not an original or new criticism of the MCU or really any superhero franchise but I think the most successful MCU stand-alone films have been movies that don’t let the superhero aspect fully define their genre. At least for me, these have been the most enjoyable and timeless movies. What I mean is that I love when MCU movies are regular movies set in a world of superheroes. They’re movies WITH superheroes, not SUPERHERO movies.
Some examples of what I mean. Captain American Winter Soldier: spy thriller featuring Captain America, Black Widow, Falcon, and Bucky.
Ant-man: heist movie featuring Ant-man and pym tech schenanigans.
Spider-man homecoming: coming of age high-school drama exploring Peter navigating different relationships
This type of story telling is something that I think has fallen off in recent years and now Marvel/Disney Execs (whoever you want to blame) seem to be pushing bigger and bigger claustrophobic cgi heroes save universe style movies post Infinity War and Endgame in order to recreate that success but those movies were only that good because they were the cumulation of decades of story threads, but that’s a topic for another post. It feels like a lot of these movies try to do that, try to be their own films but theh have this requirement that looms over them forcing them to do save the world esques stakes at the end and a big cgi fight. I loved Shang-Chi and it was genuinely looking to be a John Wick esque film but they had the magical dragon fights at the end which was cool but imo not necessary for it ti be a good film.
I want to go back to smaller stakes, movies focused on rewarding character developments not just being the next generation Endgame. I hope rhe reboot can give us this.
thoughts?
Some examples of what I mean. Captain American Winter Soldier: spy thriller featuring Captain America, Black Widow, Falcon, and Bucky.
Ant-man: heist movie featuring Ant-man and pym tech schenanigans.
Spider-man homecoming: coming of age high-school drama exploring Peter navigating different relationships
This type of story telling is something that I think has fallen off in recent years and now Marvel/Disney Execs (whoever you want to blame) seem to be pushing bigger and bigger claustrophobic cgi heroes save universe style movies post Infinity War and Endgame in order to recreate that success but those movies were only that good because they were the cumulation of decades of story threads, but that’s a topic for another post. It feels like a lot of these movies try to do that, try to be their own films but theh have this requirement that looms over them forcing them to do save the world esques stakes at the end and a big cgi fight. I loved Shang-Chi and it was genuinely looking to be a John Wick esque film but they had the magical dragon fights at the end which was cool but imo not necessary for it ti be a good film.
I want to go back to smaller stakes, movies focused on rewarding character developments not just being the next generation Endgame. I hope rhe reboot can give us this.
thoughts?
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There have been a lot of shows and movies they've released that really didn't interest me. Because they are so far away from what I expect and want from the MCU
I'm not sure Disney have pushed bigger "Claustrophobic CGI heroes save the universe style movies" because what movies have been that post endgame? Maybe no way home?
Its only now that I'm excited for Doomsday that I'm going back and watching a lot of it.
I think you’re the first post that I’ve ever seen where the person “gets it”.
Not complaining. Just the obvious, it’s not for me.
I only red the title im drunk.
I could only handle the "getting the gang back together" scenes for so long before I mentally checked out of the movie and couldn't get back into it.
I liked that they tried to change up the formula and I even liked Icarus' motivation, but I just couldn't get into it due to the pacing.
So average audience would find it boring
And casuals make or break MCU movie's success.
The idea that they just sat around when Thanos wiped out half of the planet is absurd. The whole thing was just boring. The visuals are the only good thing about the movie.
Ms. Marvel leans hard into that coming-of-age angle that Homecoming does, but with a closer focus on family and heritage.
Eternals is an international epic about godlike beings with lore that spans over several millennia.
Werewolf by Night, Marvel Zombies, and Multiverse of Madness all clearly have their roots in horror.
She-Hulk pushes that it’s an episodic courtroom comedy so hard that Jen *literally hijacks the finale just to avoid ending her series with some dime-a-dozen superhero action climax.*
And that is why I LOVED She-Hulk! The show poked fun at superhero tropes while also being a courtroom comedy and it was an absolute blast. I'm still annoyed at how fans literally missed the point of that sequence. Also, Tatiana Maslany is a gem and I have no choice but to stan.
And it's something I'm really appreciating about the DCU: The Bride, Pacemaker, and Superman are our protagonists, but they have completely different levels of morality and personal views. And they're all written by the same writer!

Also why I love Fantastic four.
For instance I'm sure a lot of people are excited by the prospect of two rival Avengers teams ( Sam's Avengers and the Thunderbolts/New Avengers) but the rivalry is practically dead on arrival because there isn't actually any point of contention between the two teams. I'm sure just like with the Avengers and GOTG in Infinity War there will probably be a brief fracas but almost immediately they will team up to beat Doom because there's no strong reason for them not to.
Part of the excitement of having different super teams is that they won't see eye to eye and may clash over their differing perspectives and beliefs. As a nineties x-fan I was always up for a needless x-team brawl where both teams were being dumb and needlessly confrontational but you could also appreciate from their own back issues why each team believed the other deserved a punch in the throat.
That kind of thing is missing from the MCU movies, not only does everyone quip and banter the same way but they also have completely indistinguishable morality and ethics. If I was challenged to come up with a list of clear differences between the MCU teams that weren't just superficial details I'd struggle to come up with any. If you took the GOTG out of a script and dropped the Avengers or Thunderbolts or FF in instead then you'd barely seen any change to the overall plot or outcome.
Just look at AvX comics.
Even the MCU's Civil War should've had some on Tony's side going "You know Tony..." thing is, then T'Challa would've had a smaller team backing him.
- Ironman 2 dealt with alcoholism and a bit of trauma.
- Ironman 3 dealt with mental health.
- Thor 2 dealt with loss.
And so on and so forth. Yes, some of the better ones were more of a different genre featuring superheroes but at least half of the actual superhero movies have added in other aspects as well helping to prevent them from just being run of the mill.
Where I do agree, however, is that I do think the MCU would benefit from more genre diversity within their superhero movies. There’s no reason why we can’t have slick horror films, hard sci-fi films, noir detective films and even sweeping historical dramas (with some cool action) all set in the shared world that the films have created. This is what I suspect DC is embarking on.
What they need to make that work is to pair the right characters with the right genre and selecting the right writers/directors to create those stories. And then to be less wed to the formula they’ve become a little too over-reliant on.
I don’t want to get to a point where I feel like the events in some MCU films don’t matter or don’t exist in other MCU films. That’s the thing that makes this whole project work for me. The attack on New York carrying echoes throughout the rest of the films is what’s made this special to me from day one. Nick waiting for Tony and talking about the avenger’s initiative at the end of Iron Man was the beginning of something I never excepted to see in movies before that. However, I also believe each project has to stand alone. That’s hard, and it takes real work, but when they get it right (phases 1-3) it’s what creates the magic of Endgame and the feeling that you’re watching the culmination of years' worth of arcs.
That’s just off the top.
I think they got it covered. 🤔
Hopefully, James Gunn can set expectations for the DCU early on with projects like *Clayface*, so at least they don’t fall into the same trap.
The fundamental issue is that not every character can be Elevated to a Star. And that is mostly what Phase 4 and 5 have been about trying to elevate characters with lower floors then the MCU OGs to a high enough status to make these roughly 200 mil budgets worth it.
I think Budgets have to come down but the MCU needs to stop with Legacies and go back to the big names after Secret Wars. Still a new non Kevin Feige creative vision might not hurt.
Yeah, there have been dips in quality. That can be attributed to trying to populate a new streaming service and letting the directors have more creative control.
Wonder Man, She-Hulk, Werewolf-by-Night...
>I loved Shang-Chi and it was genuinely looking to be a John Wick esque film but they had the magical dragon fights at the end which was cool but imo not necessary for it ti be a good film.
Shang-Chi has the highest approval rating of any Marvel movie, and it was nice that it featured fantasy themes *instead* of sci-fi, something we don't really get in the MCU outside of Dr. Strange, Thor, and Wanda/Agatha. So, I reject the idea that Shang-Chi is part of the problem.
SC felt like a fantasy film about martial artists, magic snd mythical beasts. HC felt more like a generic flick with costumed supers, secret identities and stage names.
Also, how does *Thunderbolts*, the extremely recent movie where the villain cannot be fought and has to be subdued by a group hug, not get a mention? Or do you call that a generic superhero film because the villain is a world-ending threat?
Winter Soldier is not a fucking 'political thriller' haha
Watch more movies if you want real genre films. Look, I love them too! I wouldn't be here if I didn't, but let's be real. C'mon, let's be real.
- One of my problems is the opposite: we've almost never seen superhero stories (i.e., masked champions of justice who save the citizens of their city on a daily basis), but only action stories with protagonists equipped with powers and costumes. Spider-Man played the superhero for a bit in a montage of Homecoming and a bit in the other films, Kamala did when she saved that child (before her plot derailed with the djinns), but aside from Daredevil and the Fourth of July, I can think of few examples of actual superheroes in the classic sense, and as much as I'm also in favor of genre variety, it's a bit tiring (this is also one of the reasons why I maintain that people aren't tired of superheroes, but rather of bland action movies featuring superheroes);
-The problem is that, with a couple of exceptions (Winter Soldier is a spy film and Guardians is a space epic), none of the "different" films are truly different: they're the same old formulaic films that the marketing people cleverly try to slap a different genre on top of with a superficial veneer. Eternals had the potential to be a sci-fi blockbuster à la Ridley Scott or Villeneuve (also given its brilliant premise: gods who live the entirety of human history only to discover they must destroy it), but aside from a couple of cute shots, it's just the same old MCU film with the same old jokes. Werewolf by Night tries to draw inspiration from old horror films, but only gets a black-and-white filter, given that the atmosphere, tone, and dialogue are the usual MCU fare. Mrs. Marvel could have been a cute teen drama series (not ironically, they could have been inspired by the Disney Channel ones), and instead here comes the Djinns. And do I have to start with the She-Hulk writers, who couldn't do legal drama? Thunderbolts itself, billed as an A24 film, is a mediocre action film with an interesting ending.
They need to change their formula, which is now stale and old.
Like Feige listened to every single one of those criticism and it alll backfired. All of them. Post EG MCU proved why movies should not have been unconnected, directors should not have been given free reign, that maybe making people feel like their missing out does work. Hell, post EG MCU retroactively made Feige's decision to not connect movies to the shows a curse turned into boon to both the shows and movies.
Its high time we understand that MCU can't be treated like other franchises are cuz its a unique and different way of working.
Imho, post EG MCUs biggest flaw is the standalone nature of the movies. No interconnectedness.
By connection, I do not mean the stones or Thanos but narrative connection.
Like how phase one had shield and fury connecting all the movies setting up an idea of a team up.
And in a movie (first Avenger) where they could not connect using SHIELD plotwise due the movie being set before SHIELD was formed, they used the dad of the most popular MCU character to make it connected to the narrative.
I can write an whole article explaining such connections but in short, These small but relevant connections is what made MCU feel like a universe and made people feel like they shouldn't miss out any of these movies.
And post EG MCU severely lacks it.
I knew MCU was fucked when I realised they are gonna brush off the Blip like it was some random Tuesday when conflicts of much smaller scale had more multiple movie worth of consequences
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. I hope Marvel NEVER deviates or diversify in any way and stick to the same formula because why bother? If it aint broke dont fix it, right?
Definitely felt like a lot of scenes were cut and the direction of the movie was changed last minute, same thing that happened to Brave New World
Also they should stop cinema wanting to be comic. Actors age. Make that a trait of the MCU, where heroes really die or pass the mantle.
Also as they say here, just make heroes have unique personalities and styles.
They should stop wanting everyone to watch everything. They should make Avenger movies or big crossover event movies to be for everyone, but the supeheroes trilogies or franchises to be just for a specific target.