This has to be one of the most nonsensical justifications I've ever seen to support a rumor.
The rumor that Doomsday will basically be a “Steve Rogers vs. Doctor Doom” already seems absurd to me from the start, but the “justifications” circulating online—and even on YouTube channels—make it even worse. Neither the films support it, nor do the arguments hold up against each other.
To begin with, the supposed “problem” this theory claims to solve… isn't solved. In fact, it gets worse. Doom is NOT Tony Stark, and there is nothing, absolutely nothing, to suggest he'll have a similar personality. So basing an entire rivalry on the enmity that previously existed between Tony and Steve (an enmity that, by the way, was resolved in Endgame) makes no sense. Steve hasn't even appeared since then and hasn't had any presence in this saga.
If the film really wanted to justify a hatred between Victor Von Doom and Steve Rogers, it would have to start from scratch explaining who Doom is and why he would hate someone who has no role in this saga. Basically, they're wasting time establishing a rivalry (the very problem they claim to be solving).
Second: Marvel has been putting Pedro Pascal and Robert Downey Jr. together in all available official material for months. From chairs with their names on them, to the production bag, to the Korean website with the trailer's rating listing them both as protagonists… I mean, if the idea were that everything revolves around Steve, Marvel is disguising it in a very strange way, isn't it?
Third: the post-credits scene with Doom. If his motivation was to get revenge on Steve for accidentally killing his family… what's Franklin doing in all this conflict? Why would he need the boy if the story has nothing to do with the Richards family? And even more: why involve the X-Men, Avengers, TVA, and the Fantastic Four in such a personal vendetta?
Fourth: the MCU has already shown that it can introduce new rivalries in a single film without any problems: Rocket vs. High Evolutionary, Shuri vs. Namor, Shang-Chi vs. the Mandarin, Spider-Man vs. Dafoe's Green Goblin. The latter became iconic for many… with just two confrontations and only one exchange of dialogue. So the idea that there wouldn't be time to develop a rivalry between Doom and Reed is a pretty weak excuse.
In short: this theory and its justification don't hold water at all. Will Steve appear? Maybe. Will the whole movie revolve around him? Highly unlikely, considering he's not even part of the main cast. And, frankly, all this just demonstrates the current problem with insiders: more interested in spreading enticing rumors than in paying attention to what the movie itself is officially saying.
To begin with, the supposed “problem” this theory claims to solve… isn't solved. In fact, it gets worse. Doom is NOT Tony Stark, and there is nothing, absolutely nothing, to suggest he'll have a similar personality. So basing an entire rivalry on the enmity that previously existed between Tony and Steve (an enmity that, by the way, was resolved in Endgame) makes no sense. Steve hasn't even appeared since then and hasn't had any presence in this saga.
If the film really wanted to justify a hatred between Victor Von Doom and Steve Rogers, it would have to start from scratch explaining who Doom is and why he would hate someone who has no role in this saga. Basically, they're wasting time establishing a rivalry (the very problem they claim to be solving).
Second: Marvel has been putting Pedro Pascal and Robert Downey Jr. together in all available official material for months. From chairs with their names on them, to the production bag, to the Korean website with the trailer's rating listing them both as protagonists… I mean, if the idea were that everything revolves around Steve, Marvel is disguising it in a very strange way, isn't it?
Third: the post-credits scene with Doom. If his motivation was to get revenge on Steve for accidentally killing his family… what's Franklin doing in all this conflict? Why would he need the boy if the story has nothing to do with the Richards family? And even more: why involve the X-Men, Avengers, TVA, and the Fantastic Four in such a personal vendetta?
Fourth: the MCU has already shown that it can introduce new rivalries in a single film without any problems: Rocket vs. High Evolutionary, Shuri vs. Namor, Shang-Chi vs. the Mandarin, Spider-Man vs. Dafoe's Green Goblin. The latter became iconic for many… with just two confrontations and only one exchange of dialogue. So the idea that there wouldn't be time to develop a rivalry between Doom and Reed is a pretty weak excuse.
In short: this theory and its justification don't hold water at all. Will Steve appear? Maybe. Will the whole movie revolve around him? Highly unlikely, considering he's not even part of the main cast. And, frankly, all this just demonstrates the current problem with insiders: more interested in spreading enticing rumors than in paying attention to what the movie itself is officially saying.
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They only have one serious dialogue in the building (the rest are just random lines) and two fights, and for many, it's already iconic.
Now the main thing is that the MCU isn't comics, most of the audience haven't touched a Marvel comic in their life so they wouldn't care if it's Doom vs Reed or not.
Now this is not your average MCU movie that can afford to either flop or just about touch break even point, Avengers Doomsday NEEDS to be a home run, or kiss your universe goodbye.
At this point their best bet is to entice general audience by giving them characters they know, characters they like and tons of nostalgia.
And despite what people on internet would like to believe, your new characters like Thunderbolts flopped, Fantastic Four didn't do so hot and again despite all the copium of "they will find their audience on Streaming", the streaming numbers are also meh at best.
It's a lose lose situation when a studio has to choose between Core Fanbase & General Audience, but this is the situation MCU is in, and it's self inflicted, it hasn't been able to satisfy both for quite some time.
BTW last MCU movie which got good reception from General Audience was Deadpool & Wolverine, a movie with known & popular characters, liked characters & tons of Nostalgia.
Comic book fans know, sure, but the average person doesn't know anything about anyone unless it's in a movie. Seriously.
It’s bleak coming from a studio that *used* to prioritize adapting characters the right way faithful, but still fitting the MCU without making them unrecognizable. Hopefully, the risks they’re taking actually pay off, but with these rumors floating around, nothing would surprise me. If this is the story they’re confident in telling, then they clearly know the whole movie is a massive gamble.
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>If the film really wanted to justify a hatred between Victor Von Doom and Steve Rogers, it would have to start from scratch explaining who Doom is and why he would hate someone who has no role in this saga. Basically, they're wasting time establishing a rivalry (the very problem they claim to be solving).
In fairness this is the exact kind of logical leap that gave us Scarlet Witch in Multiverse of Madness.
Don’t like it, stop complaining non stop online.
They need to put butts in seats and will rely on star power and nostalgia to do so.
I agree though, Steve won’t be the “main character” but a significant part of the ensemble.
Really backfired for Avatar th water cats
Has that been confirmed yet? Is there anything to suggest he’ll have a different personality?
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