Avengers Doomsday seems like a desperate attempt to revive Marvel
I like marvel, im one of the few ones who has watched almost every show post endgame. Dude, I even watched she-hulk.
But even when some marvel movies still are a commercial succes, most of them are not. Marvel has been slowly going down.
And I want avengers doomsday to be an incredible movie, a real demonstration of prime marvel and what they can do.
But I cant stop sounding the alarm and thinking that it seems like a desperate gamble to try to revive marvel old days, or to give enough fanservice so marvel fans will watch it anyway.
Here are some bad factors ive seen about the movie:
- **No preparation**: We dont have any prior movie that prepares the plot of avengers doomsday.
- **No teams**: Most of the characters never formed a team with each other or met other characters. In a single movie we cant except to be introduced to four different teams at the same time, each one composed of around 4-10 characters.
- **Excessive fanservice**: They bring back robert downey jr, and fill the movie with famous actors and characters, some of them we havent even seen in the big screen in years.
I dont know, there are some positive things, but overall the alarm is going crazy over this facts.
Maybe if it was a series instead of a movie they would have enough time to prepare the plot and the characters, idk.
What do you guys think?.
But even when some marvel movies still are a commercial succes, most of them are not. Marvel has been slowly going down.
And I want avengers doomsday to be an incredible movie, a real demonstration of prime marvel and what they can do.
But I cant stop sounding the alarm and thinking that it seems like a desperate gamble to try to revive marvel old days, or to give enough fanservice so marvel fans will watch it anyway.
Here are some bad factors ive seen about the movie:
- **No preparation**: We dont have any prior movie that prepares the plot of avengers doomsday.
- **No teams**: Most of the characters never formed a team with each other or met other characters. In a single movie we cant except to be introduced to four different teams at the same time, each one composed of around 4-10 characters.
- **Excessive fanservice**: They bring back robert downey jr, and fill the movie with famous actors and characters, some of them we havent even seen in the big screen in years.
I dont know, there are some positive things, but overall the alarm is going crazy over this facts.
Maybe if it was a series instead of a movie they would have enough time to prepare the plot and the characters, idk.
What do you guys think?.
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The only reason Endgame is being rereleased is to push it back into the top grossing spot above Avatar. It’s happening before Doomsday to try to hype fans up because of how poorly the box office has been for most of the Multiverse Saga.
Individual stories for thor, hulk, iron man and captain america. Some even had multiple movies.
But the inclusion of RDJ does have a bit a gimmicky feel to it. On the surface, it feels like they didn't have confidence and needed something to boost the buzz. But the Russo brothers have a pretty solid MCU pedigree and they picked him pretty early, so I can see it being something with story substance as well.
I don't like having to lean on "they've earned my trust" to this degree, but I am looking forward to it nonetheless. I'm expecting good things, I just have no idea what to expect. Which is preferable for a movie-going experience.
We have the thunderbolts team with a teaser for Fantastic 4 enroute
The fantastic 4 movie with a Dr Doom potentially taking their baby(?) teaser
Personally I don’t think we need 3 more movies to build up the plot of another movie, as a lot of the characters already know each other now. Maybe them making the teams and trying to synergise in the face of a new threat will be part of the plot? Who knows
So they’re not even going to attempt to complete the storyline…Just take the lazy uninspired way out by using cheap narrative devices like variants, nostalgia, and multiverse.
The X-Men are a known quantity, Thunderbolts have had a film, F4 have had a film. The Russo Bros have a proven track record of presenting multiple characters on screen.
Fanservice is only bad if the end product is bad. IMO I think RDJ will make a great villain and I trust the directors.
The movies of this saga have been preparing for this movie. We’ve already been introduced to the multiverse. Many of the characters have been introduced in existing movies. We don’t know what the plot is so saying there’s been no preparation is ridiculous.
Most of the characters never formed teams? How does that make sense to you?
- The Avengers - We haven’t seen the current team but we know it exists because Sam planned to reform it and was suing the New Avengers over the name.
- The New Avengers aka Thunderbolts - There’s literally an entire movie about them.
- Fantastic 4 - There’s literally an entire movie about them.
- X-men - There’s literally three entire movies about this team.
Have they been one big team? No. The heroes fighting in Infinity War and Endgame were also never a big team. Even the smaller teams in Infinity War weren’t teams before the movie and it worked out pretty well.
“…fill the movie with famous actors and characters.” You mean like how every single MCU movie has been? How every single Marvel movie has been? Infinity war and Endgame were also filled with famous actors and characters. That’s how franchises work.
The only fan service they have going is bringing back RDJ. This is because of the abandoned Kang storyline and the need to hype up the change. That’s an attempt to prevent the movie from being a complete bomb, not revive Marvel.
While Marvel hasn’t been doing great in the movie department, it hasn’t been doing horrible either. At least not as bad as you seem to think.
Yes, Disney has to make money. They haven’t made a billion in a while and all the projects they’ve thrown at us since Endgame were the spoils of that prior success. It does seem like they’re now pulling out all the stops, which I believe they ought to be.
The Russo’s are three for three in terms of producing insanely good content for the brand which the fandom as a whole has enjoyed. Coupled with the fact they’re also originally huge X-men fans. I have faith they know what they’re doing with this.
I’m generally in a positive mind frame regarding the shows. I also think that whatever they tend to lack, they make up for in other ways (not you secret invasion). Even a show as derided as She-Hulk, it’s actually in my top 5 and it’s solely down to the characters. Jen, Titania, Pug, Renee, Ginger and of course Madisynn, were a delight. I’m happy the universe is growing, even if I would prefer balance and cohesion.
Call it copium but I believe RDJ’s Doom will be compelling as fuck. It’s RDJ for crying out loud, we can honestly expect nothing less of the man. Chris Evans received a lot of shit when he was cast as Cap. Exactly the same more recently with Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm. Is it a stunt casting? Off course it is. Is it also possibly the best and most inspired casting decision the MCU have ever made? We will have to see.
Because of that, I see Marvel’s recent decisions—like considering the return of Robert Downey Jr., adding a post-credit scene to *Endgame*, and listening to fan feedback—as clear signs that they’re recovering. I believe *Doomsday* will be a huge success, and the hype for *Secret Wars* might reach the same level as *Endgame*.
The only concern is what comes after. It feels like a sleeping volcano—after *Secret Wars*, Marvel needs to keep that fire alive. Whether they can or not… only the future will tell.
and when i see posts that say there isn’t exactly an overarching story, at least its safe to say its more of a character-driven story this time, and i’m glad we aren’t doing a copy-paste of what worked during the Infinity Saga, i think it’s a lot more fitting that way
(thats not to say the Infinity Saga had no character-driven story, it had both, character and plot)
i’ll be in the cinema no matter what because the characters (cough thunderbolts cough), that have been introduced so far, put me in that cinema seat
i’m just excited to actually catch an Avengers film in the cinema this time, since i’ve been ill and moving around during Infinity War and Endgame
What could be seen as a desesperate move is maybe bringing back RDJ as Doom instead of getting a new actor to play him, but it was always the plan that there was not going to be a pre-established Avengers team before the fifth Avengers. this was the movie that was going to assemble the new iteration of the team for the first time and that an Avengers film would come out sometime after Fantastic Four.
And villain aside which i mentioned they decided to pivot at the literal last minute, they did set up the groundwork for the next 2 Avengers movie in projects such as Loki S1-2, No Way Home, Doctor Strange 2, The Marvels, Deadpool and Wolverine, Captain America Brave new World, Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four
*Implying She-Hulk wasn't one of the best ones.*
But yes. We know. Everything they've revealed so far about the film reeks of pivoting after Johnathan Majors imploded their Kang plans and nostalgia plays. (And why wouldn't they go down the nostalgia route when NWH and DP&W are the highest grossing post-Endgame films?) Even as someone who absolutely shares your skepticism it gets tiring seeing these posts every day with every one of them thinking they're the only one "sounding the alarm".
I agree on the no prep point. We know absolutely nothing about Doom and he has no connections with any existing characters whatsoever (in the MCU anyway). Gotta disagree about the teams part though - Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four are out there. Everyone else is kinda on their own though.
The whole multiverse saga has been marked by a lack of a core cast of characters, far too few crossover films, new characters spun off into hermetically sealed TV shows and heritage sequels for older characters vastly outweighing attempts to introduce new blood into the films.
These are not things that would have been altered had each film done a billion, had they managed to make Blade, or even to a large extent if Jonathan Majors had stayed.
I'd go so far as to say the MCU really NEEDS a good Russo brothers ensemble movie to salvage the multiverse saga as a unit. Whatever their failings elsewhere, all four of the Russos’ MCU films have been sensational at synthesising large casts of characters together. (Don't forget they got their big break with Arrested Development!). They’ve also been very good at taking fairly random things that happened in earlier movies and palming them off as having been a coherent story all along – rebranding a decade of McGuffins as having always been the Infinity Stones.
There are about a million hanging threads about the multiverse left over from the last five years of films that I'm sure will be pounced upon in Doomsday. Yes, the villain hasn’t really been introduced, but then Thanos was barely a meaningful presence before Infinity War.
The whole Downey Jr thing just feels pointless to judge until we’ve seen it. But I believe the Russos are more than capable of coming up with two entertaining films with the large cast of characters they have at their disposal. Hopefully the next saga (or whatever) will learn from the mistakes of this one.
Leading up to infinity war and endgame, we had a set of heroes that we were pretty engaged with, and they had several movies with interactions leading up to it. This had mostly been done in the previous avenger movies and in Captain America, Civil War where Wakanda and all the hero groups with the exception of Guardians of the Galaxy, and lone hero Captain marvel had interacted.
In this new age, we have thunderbolts, fantastic four, legacy avengers from endgame, new guardians, possibly X-Men all of whom have not interacted with each other before, which seems like a lot to pull off.
Plus we are missing Iron Man and we need to establish the villain. RDJ is back but there is no lead up to him as a villain and his motive like there was for Thanos and the infinity stones. So they need to establish RDJ and his connection to Ironman quickly else it will feel gimmicky.
So a lot to pull off. They will either succeed or it will be a mess. The odds are not in their favor except for the Russo familiarity with MCU but we can hope.