The idea of a trinity feels less relevant now, but nearly five years into the Multiverse Saga & 20+ projects in, who would you nail down as the top three of this saga—based on prominence and recurring presence across the overarching story?
I can’t even say that I’m super confident with my current picks. It’s just the ones that make the most sense to me as of this moment. A few years ago I would’ve had Scott in there, but I have a feeling that he’ll be less vital within Doom’s journey than when he could’ve been if Kang was still going to be the main villain of the saga.
I also think it helps to stray away from the idea of them having to act as contemporaries to Steve, Thor, Tony and fulfilling each of their roles. In regards to my three picks: Sam acts as the moral Center and natural leader, Strange is a powerhouse who is arrogant, but also wise and knowledgeable within the vast possibilities and realms between different dimensions, and Yelena—who is an unexpected choice but has been very very prominent across different projects since her debut—is a bit of a wildcard who has an edge but works as the heart and humour of this potential trio.
I also think it helps to stray away from the idea of them having to act as contemporaries to Steve, Thor, Tony and fulfilling each of their roles. In regards to my three picks: Sam acts as the moral Center and natural leader, Strange is a powerhouse who is arrogant, but also wise and knowledgeable within the vast possibilities and realms between different dimensions, and Yelena—who is an unexpected choice but has been very very prominent across different projects since her debut—is a bit of a wildcard who has an edge but works as the heart and humour of this potential trio.
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If I'm not mistaken Yelena has the most appearances but she's an inconsequential character because her presence doesn't affect the overall plot of the MCU.
But shit happened and now they have nobody, no main characters to move forward with.
Having just looked at a list to remind myself, the new line up ought to be: A Hulk, A Hawkeye, An Ant-person, Star-Lord, Shang-Chi, Shuri, Ironheart and a sorcerer.
We are long overdue a young avengers: Riri, Kate Bishop, Ms Marvel, Billy, America, Cassie Lang, (is Spiderman still young?). Hopefully they get a chance to meet and assemble in Doomsday.
If recurrence is a metric, there’s no way Wong isn’t on the list.
Wong (Shang-Chi, Spider-Man: No Way Home, Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, She-Hulk)
Valentina Allegra de Fontaine (Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Black Widow, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, Thunderbolts*)
and Daredevil (Spider-Man: No Way Home, She-Hulk, Echo, Daredevil: Born Again)
And I think exec understand that too. So they are tricking us with not characters, but actors associations — ‘s why Doom is RDJ. I have hopes for next “saga” — second “saga” could have sweet ending, but overall it’s already bleh with couple good flicks. Maybe 6th phase would be go-to rewatches, I could see that.
You didn't need to *keep* these three, but you could have easily kept that same energy with T'Challa (born great), Strange (achieved greatnes) and Danvers (had greatness thrust upon them) but that didn't happen.
I feel like there’s a good chance Thor keeps his big 3 spot, his story is tied to a lot of people and they just keep powerscaling him.
Black Panther (sadly, they stupidly decided to kill off the character alongside the actor).
Dr. Strange (sadly the character and his movies after the first aren't that interesting).
Thor (sadly he's become an unserious cartoon character).
I remember before 2021, them saying Spider-Man, Doctor Strange,Captain Marvel and Black Panther forming one… don’t say Black Oanther is the reason…
That seems like forever ago.
There was a time I thought Spider-Man would be in the top 3.
Today, I'm not really sure. None of them really super stand out to me. Moon-Knight?
Hell, he could be all 3!!!
Captain Sam
Shuri as Black Panther
Spiderman
I think the box office will dictate who gets the push and spot light and that will be who we spend our money on.
Purely a guess though
Is disaggregating how much of that Box Office was Shuri on her own merits. And how much of that Box Office was cause people wanted to say goodbye to Chadwick Boseman. I argue it was mostly the later. And if purely box office then its like
1) Spidey, Deadpool, Wovlerine if you dont count D&W then
2) Spidey, Strange, Wanda if you don't count MoM as a two hander then
3) Spidey, Strange, Shuri if you say oh Shuri was carried
4) Spidey, Strange, Thor
Honestly before phase 4 started people thought Thor, Strange and T'Challa would be the trio carrying the multiverse saga. Then T'Challa died and they decided to relegate Thor and Strange to background plots away from the others.
At this point the three characters most apparent this saga have been Daredevil, Wong and Valentina (they've each appeared in 4 projects connected to the overall multiverse saga). And since Valentina isn't exactly a superhero here, I'm willing to replace her with Yelena (who's been in 3 projects herself) since she's recently been becoming a focal point in this saga.
**T'Challa is mostly like Thor**--the Shakespearean "hero who was born great", he is a king who is an Avenger but kind of aloof from the team because he also has responsibilities to his nation, his conflicts deal with members of his family trying to take his throne. He is also like Steve in that he has the same powers and the same nationalist purpose, and he is like Tony in that he is wealthy and has a cool suit and his movies make the most money.
**Strange is mostly like Stark**--he is the Shakespearean "hero who achieved greatness." His arcs are oriented around him trying to be better than he is and dealing with the effects of his playing god. He is also sarcastic. He is also like Thor in that he brings a fantasy element to the series and he is like Steve in that he lives in New York.
**Carol is mostly like Steve Rogers**--the Shakespearean "hero who has greatness thrust upon them". She is a veteran and a hero from another time with a strong sense of right and wrong. She is also like Tony in that she can fly, and she's like Thor in the sense that she's very powerful and often has to be away from Earth and her standalone movies aren't great.
**Also Spider-Man**--is the Shakespearean "hero is a Spider-Man".
But T'Challa died and people were weird about Carol and I think Cumberbatch is asking for more money, and Spidey's got rights issues, so even though the MCU set themselves up *perfectly* to continue on after the big three left, the ball got fumbled and now we're here.
I could be totally wrong, but if it's true that Ben originally signed a five-film contract (and that wouldn't include Spider-Man since that's a different company) then he would be re-negotiating after MoM. That would certainly explain why we haven't seen him in a while.
Pretty much every time an actor starts to publicly grouse about Marvel (the Avengers cast after Ultron, Holland after NWH), it's when their previous contract is up and they need to sign a new one. Its their way of signaling to the company that they don't *need* to be here and can move on if need be.
Sure, they can renegotiate during a previous contract, but they're very limited. The actor has way more power when they need to sign a new contract.
> I'm sure Captain America 4 has been in their end goal since before they made TFATWS.
Yeah, but the compensation structure that was probably way different from TFATWS, given that its a theatrical movie, and Mackie was likely not signed on for it prior to Endgame.
Dr Strange
Yolena
On the flip side you can argue the Trinity is based on the rumors about Doomsday is Thor, Steve and Loki. Spider-man as the 4th Wheel (cause Sony cannot be relied upon)...RDJ now as the bad guy instead of Thanos.
The fact remains that the MCU lacks any heroes with the popularity to step up and claim a Trinity Slot. It really all went wrong in 2022..Chadwick died and they didn't Recast T'Challa. Multiverse of Madness mangled Stephen and Wanda leaving Lizzie and Benedict a bit disillusioned.
The MCU has done nothing to recreate that. Do we have a top 3? Debatable. Do we have 3 with shared screen time and chemistry together? Nope.
I'd wager more than half of MCUs target audience doesn't care hell, even know about these two. Their movies are literally among the least grossing MCU movies of all time.
Before you Strange Fans start to go "Oh what about Stephen Strange ..." He's simply not enough shows to be above Spidey and Yelena. Yelena is everywhere in Phase 4 to Phase 6, Spidey is also in just about every Phase even in side quests, and Sam's Captain America so he kinda have to be part of the Trinity.
Leader of New Avengers: Yelena
Leader of Fantastic Four: Mr. Fantastic
Despite 10 years of his recurring presence in the MCU, Daredevil still doesn't have any prominence in the overarching story. Which I get it cuz putting Daredevil against aliens and/or Doombots doesn't make sense when you put it in live-action, but the one hero that's arguably had the most screen time outta every other MCU hero NOT being a part of ANYTHING outside his little bubble is a little crazy. Now I know the post asks what the Multiverse Saga trinity is, but again, the fact that the one hero who has had a recurring presence in the MCU and still has nothing to do with the actual overarching saga is hilarious.
>The Big Three in the Infinity Saga was: Captain America, Iron Man and Thor
>The Multiverse Saga clearly was going to have the new big three be: Black Panther, Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel. Spider-Man is obviously the biggest most popular character but considering that is technically sony, not really including him. Problem was that Chadwick unfortunately passed away and I don't think Shuri is on the level of T'Challa for most people. Doctor Strange ended up only really having one divisive film in the saga and Captain Marvel ended up not resonating with many people with a mediocre film. Didn't help that there was a lack of Crossover films at the end of each Phase.
>Rumour is that the new Saga is going to be the "Mutant Saga". So X-men will definitely be a pivotal group in the saga and considering they already have a director working on it before Avengers.
>I think the new big Three will be not individuals but teams. They will push X-Men, Fantastic Four and Midnight Suns. X-Men is very obvious why and Fantastic Four is another iconic team. They will also no doubt start exploring Supernatural elements more often so Midnight Suns will the 3rd team
Peter Parker, Dr. Strange and Sam...
But honestly that's weak there's not a ton of meat on those bones. Spidey is too weak compared to Strange and the age difference prevents it from becoming something contentious like iron man vs cap.
Also Sam is too goody two shoes to really have conflict with either of them, he'd also just get completely thwacked.
I think Yelena, Daredevil and Bucky are the only ones with more than two appearances right?
Pretty wild considering there's been 27 live action projects.
But now hearing that they do want a third film and they are looking at post-Secret Wars dates has me wondering where my boy Stephen is gonna have been for the last six years since he was on-screen.
I mean how do you have Clea show up, drag him out of time, space and reality to go deal with a Dorammamu situation, dip out of the entirety of the Multiverse saga his second film was titled over? What was he doing where the thing he’d be an expert on where he couldn’t even be there to witness the ramifications of his work?
What will the name of a third film be? Dr Strange and a Ghost Dog named Bats?
I’m still hopeful Strange shows up in Doomsday because he’s very much needed to keep Doom in check in SW, and I don’t see Sue or Franklin acting as the “Sheriff” role like Strange could.
The way he’s so fatalistic in his decrees, having his presence in Doomsday at a pivotal moment would absolutely wreck me for whoever else is there in that potential moment.
Thor's daughter/Valkyrie: Thor
Riri/Rhodey: Iron Man
Yelena I can see though. Fleshed out well throughout Black Widow, Hawkeye and now Thunderbolts. She feels like the closest we've had to one of the original 3 in terms of team chemistry. Her arc also feels like it could possibly place her as the moral centre soon enough.
Black Panther would have been there, and I think if Captain Marvel was handled with better writing and more care she'd be there too. Maybe Spidey?
In universe? Probably Dr. Strange, Sam Wilson Cap, and Spider-Man
So they have had reoccurring roles, honestly the most for Avengers in this Phase. And the Most important Factor in a Trinity is that they all Know each other before Doomsday (See Yelena rumor to be in BND).
But I think the "OG 3" came by accident, with multpile shots and scenes...it just worked naturally.
I think people now still want some consistency with characters they know so....not sure...
Maybe Thor, Loki and Yelena?
This saga has been spread so thin that I don't think it's possible to equate and big three to Tony, Cap, and Thor. Yelena has felt like the only character to be impactful across multiple projects, and she still is much less of a presence than the previous 3.
I'm looking forward to the X-men saga returning to more linear world-building with clearer direction. I'm always grateful for a new MCU project (except gd Secret Invasion yeesh), but this question made me miss the creative vision and consistency of the Infinity Saga.