‘Fantastic Four’ Logs Worst MCU Disney+ Debut With Just 4.9M Views, Down 10% From ‘Thunderbolts*’ and 23% From ‘Brave New World’

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TobioOkuma12025-12-09 14:51

Meanwhile it was very successful theatrically.

BrickmasterBen2025-12-09 14:52

Maybe an inverse relationship?

forlackofabetterpost2025-12-09 14:53

Yeah don't these numbers just inverse their theatrical popularity? Seems like people waited for streaming to watch Brave New World but didn't for Fantastic Four.

Ok_Employer78372025-12-09 15:02

That's a very reasonable hypothesis.

CorrectOpinions0nly2025-12-09 15:08

Except Superman beat FF's BO and reigned supreme on streaming 🤷

VaishakhD2025-12-09 15:09

Superman is infinitely more rewatchable that F4

CorrectOpinions0nly2025-12-09 15:10

Agreed

VaishakhD2025-12-09 15:14

I rewatched superman in Imax just to get the chills of watching that opening title screen again when he flies off to Metropolis.

ProductArizona2025-12-09 15:32

I was hoping for an Imax re-release, but my wish wasnt answered.... so sad 😞

VaishakhD2025-12-09 15:33

Get chills every time when Last son track starts playing

bee14ish2025-12-09 17:18

I've probably rewatched the intro scene where he's flying back to Metropolis dozens of times alone. It really lifts my mood every time I watch. I almost feel like a kid again.

VaishakhD2025-12-09 17:21

The smile he gives while flying is so great. Portrays the joyful nature of Superman so well. James Gunn nailed the casting with Corenswet.

annoyingrelieve2025-12-09 15:26

Eh both same level of mid superman bad cgi and has the worse flying scenes F4 was just boring

TobioOkuma12025-12-09 15:25

Superman is also one of the most iconic heroes in comics history, with a long and successful film history. The new one made less than the older ones, and that’s also ignoring inflation. That’s not to say that Gunn’s Superman was bad, more so to point out that the movie industry is FUCKED right now.

MiserableProblem51262025-12-09 16:35

Fantastic Four are pretty iconic too tbf.

Menessy272025-12-09 15:45

Not at all as you can see by the list in the article

AlexitoPornConsumer2025-12-09 14:53

Very successful is an overstatement but go ahead.

TobioOkuma12025-12-09 14:58

With its budget, very successful isn’t an understatement. This is how the mcu builds back up, by keeping budgets in check to rebuild brand loyalty while making profits in the films

BatmanForever232025-12-09 15:00

It had a net budget of $180 million and a total spend of $230 million... that is not 'keeping budgets in check' lol

bushwickauslaender2025-12-09 15:19

Sure, $180M is an absurd sum of money and it's funny to say it's a tight budget, but when you compare that to Quantumania ($330M net) and The Marvels ($303M net), it kinda is.

SeekerVash2025-12-09 15:44

It had a budget of "north of 200 million".

Silvuh_Ad_90462025-12-09 14:54

“Very successful”

BatmanForever232025-12-09 14:56

'Very successful' is a push. It did decently well, made a nice profit based on its budget, but it wasn't a huge hit either. Which is fine, not everything has to make a billion to do well - but very successful is a bit of a stretch, as it's not going to finish in the box office's top 10 of the year and won't be the biggest superhero film of the year either. For Marvel's biggest release of the year, it's hard for me to reconcile that with being a huge success. I'd personally call it a modest success, with plenty to build on in the future.

ProductArizona2025-12-09 14:56

It found mild success 🙌

_________FU_________2025-12-09 14:57

Which means people were hyped to see it and intimately disappointed.

palk0n2025-12-09 15:02

delusional take

TobioOkuma12025-12-09 15:07

The only delusional people are the ones coping that ~300,000,000 isn’t a good success, especially considering how broadly fucked the film industry is.

BambooSound2025-12-09 15:19

$521m on a ~$400m budget (including marketing) is far from a success in this market and below average in any phase of the MCU.

It barely made more than The Conjuring.

TobioOkuma12025-12-09 15:26

So you must think the same about Superman 2025 then

BambooSound2025-12-09 15:34

Absolutely.

Anyone spending more than $300m should be disappointed to not even (or in Superman's case, barely) make the top 10.

JesterMarcus2025-12-09 16:01

Yeah. For the first Superman in years, the start of a new DC movie storyline, and the hype and marketing that movie had, it should have made more. Warner Bros should be a bit concerned about Supergirl.

palk0n2025-12-09 15:37

what kind of argument is this? lmao

TobioOkuma12025-12-09 15:37

The same idiots who try to act like anything the mcu does are shit are the same ones who glaze Superman constantly.

BambooSound2025-12-09 15:49

I didn't really like either but I preferred F4 because the black hole surfing scene was cool.

It really annoyed me how they did Galactus as dirty as they did Kang in Quantumania and nobody cares though. He was just as impactful when he was a cloud.

SkywalkerRanchSauce2025-12-09 15:23

You seem to not understand how box office percentages & marketing works.

BambooSound2025-12-09 15:13

I assumed they were joking

Legal-Dust63992025-12-09 15:02

"Very successful" 🙂

Demarcus_the2025-12-09 15:06

It was mildly successful, it definitely didn’t meet marvels expectations but at least it broke even and made some profit

NamelessOne30062025-12-09 15:41

Did a bit more than Ant-man (2015) in 2025 is not "very successful" lol.

As a diehard comicbook movies fan, I can't deny that the superhero genre is falling behind. I'm sure some franchises like Spiderman, Avengers and Batman will still be strong but I don't know how can both Marvel and DC go back to their glorious days, and I think they will never can.

baccus832025-12-09 15:43

Not very.

SeekerVash2025-12-09 15:46

It was a flop.

It had a budget of "north of 200 million", when combined with marketing, it may have broken even and it may very well have failed to break even.

MrMojoRising4222025-12-09 15:47

not very. mildly.

Linnus422025-12-09 15:49

I mean in what world does barely crossing 500 mil make a movie very succesful.

It was a Solid Double.

senor_descartes2025-12-09 15:54

Does not hold any rewatch value compared to actual marvel hits.

El_Quetzal2025-12-09 16:49

Superman and an anime movie did more numbers than this movie, i dont think you can call it a very successful movie

TheOliveYeti2025-12-09 18:33

Very successfully is insane cope. It did ok for a marvel movie

mrbaryonyx2025-12-09 19:00

I wouldn't call any movie that made money unsuccessful, but I wouldn't call an F4 movie that does Ant-Man numbers in 2025 *very* successful

eBICgamer20102025-12-09 14:52

Literally took info from u/Netflixers.

By that I mean the "article" (it doesn't even deserve to be called one) took it straight from the graph on r/boxoffice a few days earlier. [See it for yourself.](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/1pemjyw/the_fantastic_four_first_steps_opens_to_the/)

ChemicalExperiment2025-12-09 17:50

The old reddit to website to reddit pipeline.

evapotranspire2025-12-09 18:07

Haha yeah! I'm still surprised by how often Reddit gets quoted as a source of truth. Anyone can say anything on here!

ChemicalExperiment2025-12-09 18:11

[It's actually required to post accurate information on Reddit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)

Netflixers2025-12-09 22:19

At least, they linked to my newsletter at the end of the article, so I appreciate that! ^^

chickenintendo2025-12-09 14:55

They’ve lost the casual audience.

SpiffySpacemanSpiff2025-12-09 17:53

Disney does not understand the concept of limiting itself.

When I saw they were making an *Echo show* I knew it had just gone way too far.

TARS19862025-12-09 20:35

This is it. My wife is on the casual end but was pretty invested in some core characters from the first few phases up to and including Endgame. I’m slightly above the mid point of casual and into more serious, but my limits have been really stretched with the amount of mid stuff that’s come out. I think right after Endgame, we were very hyped for Wandavision and then No Way Home, but after that it’s just been fizzling out slowly.

CommunityDragon1842025-12-09 14:56

How does “tvFandomLounge” have access to viewing numbers that are released to no one else?

BambooSound2025-12-09 15:12

Their source is Nielsen. It's in the body of the article and again at the bottom.

CommunityDragon1842025-12-09 15:16

Oh okay pretty useless for specifics then. Maybe good for comparing relative numbers tho

no_longer_huhmann2025-12-09 15:12

I think it's just Nielsen figures converted into equivalent views, 556 million views divided by the runtime, not some mystical figure.

BLAGTIER2025-12-10 04:33

You have access to the numbers:

https://www.nielsen.com/data-center/top-ten/

And every week a website will make an article of those number so there is an archive of those numbers.

ProductArizona2025-12-09 14:58

Not suprised. I think WoM was pretty poor (outside of reddit at least)

Answer3482025-12-09 16:48

Yeah. The number of Fantastic Four crusaders is really something considering how mid the movie was. The streaming numbers are strong evidence that there’s little excitement from either those who saw it in theaters or those who didn’t.

GotMoFans2025-12-09 14:58

People busy watching holiday content?

HermanMunstered2025-12-09 14:58

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Hydramy2025-12-09 15:07

"planning my out" as if watching movies or shows is some huge commitment.

VaishakhD2025-12-09 15:09

Lmao, these people talk like it’s part of their job

Diortheking2025-12-09 15:15

I definitely still see marvel and DC don’t have to be Mcu with all the powerscaling and marvel subreddits that exist

Grootfan852025-12-09 15:17

Spider-Man, X-Men, the Avengers, and Deadpool will always hit it big with the general audience. But the days of people lining up to see a movie just because it was made by Marvel Studios are over.

Redditeer282025-12-09 14:59

Well yeah. More people had already seen it by the time it hit Disney compared to the other two.

Supermite2025-12-09 15:25

You would think people would be excited to watch it again.

ahmadsarvmeily2025-12-09 15:40

I think despite the film being pretty good, the replay value is not very high, unfortunately

Professor_Dubs2025-12-09 15:41

After rewatching I can say this is probably the case. I mean 90% of the movie is pretty much nothing happening. It’s not an epic sci fi adventure, it’s a family romp.

Supermite2025-12-09 15:49

The most exciting part of the movie is the Silver Surfer chase where they trap her in a black hole. The rest was pretty bland. Just my opinion.

senor_descartes2025-12-09 15:54

Agreed it’s quite flat and kinda boring. Something the FF should never be.

Stupid_Ned_Stark2025-12-09 16:58

Exactly my thoughts, it looks great but it was the most boring MCU film in a long, long time. The final “fight” with Galactus was such a letdown.

eolson32025-12-09 16:26

I think part of the problem is it doesn't quite commit to either one of those. I'm not an MCU doomer, but if they made this earlier I think they would have had the fun romp movie and get the intros covered there, and then a sequel would open the world up with the adventuring and stakes.

I watched this with my family a few weeks ago and I could feel them slipping away during the pretty long talk show introductions thing. A grounded (or *under* ground!) villain that provided opportunities for some of this same stuff to come out throughout the film probably would have worked better.

Linnus422025-12-09 15:48

Right it is very much not a movie that you need to watch more then once.

It has no great mystery that is fun to see unravel or epic action scenes. Complaints from Asia were Big G was lame compared to Godzilla and they aint really wrong.

HyperionWinsAgain2025-12-09 15:58

Yep, I enjoyed the movie and FF are my favorite team... but the replay value wasn't that great. We basically had the Galactus ship/Surfer chase.... and then Galactus landing on Earth as our action set pieces (and Galactus landing in the city was super disappointing to me... he's got access to so much power and just walks around. C'mon, not even an eye beam!?).

I've seen Superman multiple times, and I'm not even that big of a fan of the character. Off the top of my head Supes has: initial fight vs Hammer, Lex invading Fortress, giant Kaiju fight, Mr. Terrific beach fight, Supes breaking out of dimensional prison, rematch vs Hammer/city destruction, Justice Gang vs military and maybe a few more I've missed. That is a lot going on and really helps with rewatching or throwing on a movie when you have people over.

I loved the family dynamic of FF, loved their scenes together. But... I don't need to watch those scenes again. I got it on the first viewing.

MiserableProblem51262025-12-09 16:33

That's because it's boring.

Over-Cold-87572025-12-09 15:42

It's a minority of people that like to watch a film only months after having already seen it.

framedshady2025-12-09 15:43

It’s really hasn’t got any rewatch ability tbh enjoyed it first time with my friend was pretty good then watched it with my girlfriend it was quite boring second time little action scenes hurt it’s rewatch

Crater_Raider2025-12-09 15:54

They made such a mistake cutting the Red Ghost stuff.

You can tell the film is missing a little something, and the secondary antagonist bringing in an extra action scene early on would’ve helped.

BucketHerro2025-12-09 16:04

Yeah they should’ve taken their time and added these scenes.

Honestly, postponing the movie to December-ish would be better cause the movie is family themed anyways. There was no reason to compete with Superman.

Heisenburgo2025-12-09 16:58

I kept thinkin they should've had Moleman and Giganto interrupt the Ted Garrett (?) show when he was recounting the team's origins and then they'd have to stop him. Would have been an organic way to have more action in the movie while being a kickass intro. This movie was really missing a fight sequence or two

leoleo6782025-12-09 19:36

Yeah, it needed a fun break in between. The second act where they’re at the chalkboard drags so heavily.

VandienLavellan2025-12-09 15:58

I mean, I saw it twice in cinemas. Gonna be a few years before I feel like rewatching it

Krylarofaxia2025-12-09 15:46

That's not how it works. Usually the highest streaming debuts are also the movies that did well in theaters.

GuardianPrime192025-12-09 15:55

You’re right that it’s *usually* true. However, F4 doesn’t have the rewatch value that a lot of recent movies have. I loved the film but I haven’t felt a need to really rewatch it since. I’m sure I’m not alone in that

mastyrwerk2025-12-09 16:16

It’s better on rewatch

Operator_Starlight2025-12-09 16:18

Ditto. Enjoyed the film well enough when it was in theaters, but haven’t bothered to sit down for a rewatch.

Maleficent_Ant_88952025-12-09 16:26

I haven’t felt the need to rewatch any movies post Endgame sans Shang Chi

And I saw IW 4 times in theaters and Endgame 3 times

SpaceCaboose2025-12-09 16:29

Oh really? I watched IW 4 times in theaters and EG 3 times too. Have rewatched all the films since then at least once.

dowker12025-12-09 17:00

Not even Thunderbolts?

Maleficent_Ant_88952025-12-09 17:45

Loved TB just haven’t felt like rewatching it

ogrezilla2025-12-09 20:48

are people really out here rewatching movies they saw a few months ago?

muevelos2025-12-09 23:09

I watched IW about 10 times. I only paid for one of them
I'll be damned to pay to see something I already saw.

aestus2025-12-09 17:07

The only thing I've rewatched too many times is the last few episodes of Loki. It's one of the best things to come out of the MCU imo.

Gilded-Mongoose2025-12-09 19:52

Absolutely. The only other things I can think of wanting to rewatch besides that are Netflix's Daredevil, and Moon Knight.

DaveCerqueira2025-12-09 17:26

I rewatched wandavison 3 times. Lovely show

Aivellac2025-12-09 18:11

I rewatched Agatha All Along about 6 times now.

evapotranspire2025-12-09 18:04

I got to disagree with you there. I actually saw it twice in the theaters and can't wait to watch it again on streaming!

dejah422025-12-09 19:07

I'm still shocked at how bored I was while watching it.

KyleVPirate2025-12-09 19:04

In this case it's the opposite. F4 did better in theaters than those 2 movies.

SteveFrench122025-12-09 16:10

I wonder if the people cancelling after kimmel played into it. I still havent signed back up dont know if i will

CaptHayfever2025-12-09 16:47

Based on the timing, that is almost certainly the reason. Kinda like when a bunch of subscribers in India left when they stopped carrying the cricket league.

Rocktamus12025-12-09 20:02

Lmao, is this really the narrative now?

So if a movie does well in the box office it stinks in Disney + and if it does bad it crushes Disney +?

bluequarz2025-12-09 20:54

That's not how it works. With this logic then all the movies that did better than F4 at the box office like MoM, Love and Thunder, D&W should have done worse right? They did x2 higher. Ant Man Quantumania did better, hell the Marvels did better. This is just a terrible number

Gamer06072025-12-09 15:00

I loved it when it came out (saw it 2 times at the cinema), but literally forgot about its existence, similar to nearly every single MCU movie after Endgame in 2019.

Unfortunately every MCU film feels like "flavour of the month" nowadays.

SpiffySpacemanSpiff2025-12-09 17:52

The problem is simple: *there is just too much.*

Its like a doughnut, in singular, its a nice treat, can be really wonderful even, but if you're force fed doughnuts ever day for over 15 years, well you just get bored with it.

Call it fatigue, call it boredom, call it what you like, the natural waning of interest is inevitable, and all the more inescapable when combined with an overabundance of film, TV, and streaming shows, most of which have just been yet another notch in the "declining quality" category.

MCU needs not to reset, but to rest - and rest for a VERY long time.

labbla2025-12-09 18:38

Yes! The MCU has needed a 5-10 year break for a long time. Let the public miss these characters and the universe and really take the time to tell stories that feel special again. Of course people will get tired and fatigued when you constantly give them similar things for 17 years.

CaptHayfever2025-12-09 21:22

You're never gonna get a 5-10 year break as long as the stock market exists.

tiggoftigg2025-12-09 15:01

I waited for thunderbolts and saw F4 in the theatre. I’d imagine me and me alone screwed these numbers.

Rude_Helicopter80782025-12-09 16:07

Look at what u did 😤

CrimsonZak2025-12-09 16:15

No no, I did this too.

we shall share the blame.

mydadsarentgay2025-12-09 17:20

I broke the dam.

Major_Ad1382025-12-09 16:16

I watched F4 again at home. I liked it enough for that. Same with Thunderbolts. Still haven't seen Brave New World lmao.

SpideyFan9142025-12-09 16:47

You don't need to.

YourInMySwamp2025-12-09 16:58

Same here. First MCU movie I was immediately ready to watch again in a very long time.

Dribblejam2025-12-09 16:26

I did the same and wish I swapped them around :(

Taste_the__Rainbow2025-12-09 16:33

Yup. That’s my immediate thought. Wider appeal so more families in theaters.

PoPo5732025-12-09 17:29

I was the same way! It's all our fault!

WallyOShay2025-12-09 15:03

How many people cancelled subscriptions because of jimmy kimmel since the movie came out? I know I did.

Throwupmyhands2025-12-09 15:34

Yea exactly. I know several re-upped after they brought him back. Many of us haven’t gotten around to it.

SeekerVash2025-12-09 15:47

I believe the math worked out to around 1.5%, not many.

eBICgamer20102025-12-09 15:49

Apparently not at all. Disney+ subscriber increased. You can read up their Q4 report:

[At the end of the quarter, 196 million Disney+ and Hulu subscriptions, an increase of 12.4 million vs. Q3 fiscal 2025, and 132 million Disney+ subscribers, an increase of 3.8 million vs. Q3 fiscal 2025](https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/app/uploads/2025/11/q4-fy25-earnings.pdf)

Thorvice2025-12-09 17:28

Saw it in the theaters then that shit happened and it's still cancelled.

Johnny02302025-12-09 15:07

It's also worth checking how many users the platform has lost during this period, and considering the current context, it probably wasn't a great idea to set the film in another universe. Has the general public realized it's part of the MCU?

FourParksOneHeart2025-12-09 15:11

The movie had a bad guy I couldn’t wait to see and all he did was walk slowly through a city. It was an okay intro to the F4 but after seeing in theaters there was no reason to watch it again at home

crocodial2025-12-09 15:22

They skipped the whole intro, which I think was part of the problem. They went straight to an Avengers level finale, but without the character build up and relationship building that took half a dozen films for Avengers 1.

Camilo_creative2025-12-09 15:40

Galactus was so stupid too… why wouldn’t he just beam the baby up having never left his ship?? Which we saw he could do. Why did he take a month to slowly cross our solar system??

bee14ish2025-12-09 17:30

Hot take: Cloud Galactus was better than the one we got in the film. More threatening, at least.

shosamae2025-12-09 18:45

For all the conceptual flaws, cloud Galactic at least felt like a cosmic entity, an extinction level event more than a person.

This Galactic felt more like a kaiju.

Huckleberry_Sin2025-12-09 21:21

Fr they turned him into a kaiju lol

Ragnarok_6192025-12-09 22:18

Don't disrespect kaijus like this. Godzilla vs Kong was better than anything MCU put this year

Diortheking2025-12-09 15:14

Highest grossing movies have most minutes ones people like in theaters they see again or good WOM?

Tristonia72025-12-09 15:21

Probably because normal people outside of this sub don’t want to watch all these movies and shows to catch up and understand what’s going on

As a fan I know you don’t need to watch the other for FF, but they don’t. They stopped watching after endgame. People are confused! They have shows like moon knight and werewolf by knight and no one knows when they’ll finally show up in the main movies. Now there’s shows like She Hulk and Secret Invasion that suck and movies like Quantumania, Eternals and Dr Strange that were throw away movies because they dropped villains or completely abandoned characters since they were made. I wouldn’t bother watching them either if I didn’t already love the movies! Shoot, I didn’t watch any other them past MoM until last year I finally decided to catch up!

BarackaFlockaFlame2025-12-09 16:12

it also didn't help that they fumbled kang. they assumed everybody knew about what makes him so formidable but they screwed that up by having ant man defeat him without anything else really happening after.

CustardOtherwise51332025-12-09 15:22

That’s a shame. It’s a great movie.

Maybe they should keep watching Wizard of Oz retreads.

dwbapst2025-12-09 15:24

That’s weird, given I watched F4 immediately on D+ but haven’t gotten around to the other two yet

ScaredFamousfan2025-12-09 15:24

Doesn’t matter. I’m sure this has something to do with the fallout from the Kimmel situation, but Disney is back on an upper trajectory. The film preformed well at the box office. And marvel has spider man and doomsday up next.

AncientSith2025-12-09 15:32

People cancelling because of the ridiculous price probably didn't help

blundermine2025-12-09 15:36

Indeed. I would have watched this if I still had a membership.

Camilo_creative2025-12-09 15:39

Can we finally admit that movie was incredibly overhyped and has almost no rewatchability ?

MrMojoRising4222025-12-09 15:47

TheHumanSpider2025-12-09 15:48

I'm wondering if the wave of D+ cancellations following the Jimmy Kimmel debacle might have helped too.

eBICgamer20102025-12-09 15:49

TheHumanSpider2025-12-09 15:50

Interesting. Depressing to know grass root movements don't work anymore....

TypeExpert2025-12-09 15:50

The bigger eye opener is that this movie wasn't on the most searched movies of 2025 and IMDBs most popular movies of 2025. I guess the hype was truly never there for it. I know for me, I definitely overestimated the IP.

eBICgamer20102025-12-09 15:54

This sub underestimated the damage Ike Perlmutter caused to this IP because of his spiteful attitude towards Fox. Not being present outside of the comic for just three years is severely damaging to FF's stock already. Oh and don't forget "say that again", I guess.

Time_Entertainer_3192025-12-09 16:48

I said it here before, they are boring characters with boring powers to the general audience.

BiddyKing2025-12-09 20:44

They are essentially the Superman of Marvel and I think they needed to think about this film the same way Gunn thought about his Superman film from the angle that casual audiences find these characters boring even if they know them. I also think this was the film that Marvel should’ve cashed out one of their few remaining Spider-man uses on

Huckleberry_Sin2025-12-09 21:13

Coincidentally I watched Superman the same night I watched F4 and it was like day night diff in how much more enjoyable the Superman movie was bc they didn’t just do the same bullshit all over again which is what F4 is.

BiddyKing2025-12-09 21:25

yep. I usually try watch most mcu films in the cinema twice, but F4 instead of rewatching I went and saw Supes a third time and made the right choice

dotnetmonke2025-12-10 00:29

What's funny is comparing the 2005 F4 and 2025 F4 box office, adjusting for inflation. Both ended at #11 on the charts and had less than a 1% difference in total ($333,535,934 in 2005 is around $517,849,467.45 today, while 2025 F4 brought in $521,858,728). 2025 seems to have a higher budget, though, so it performed worse overall.

senor_descartes2025-12-09 15:53

No buzz whatsoever.

Nekajed2025-12-09 15:53

I mean that just means people saw it in theaters instead of waiting for it to drop on Disney+

syynapt1k2025-12-09 15:56

Lots of people cancelled Disney+ over their bending of the knee to fascism. That is no doubt a significant factor that the other movies mentioned didn't have to contend with.

Plus, I think a lot of people have Fantastic Four fatigue. I couldn't find anyone to go with me when I saw it in theaters.

eBICgamer20102025-12-09 16:01

Uh, no?

Disney+ actually increased the number of subscribers. It's in their Q4 report.

[At the end of the quarter, 196 million Disney+ and Hulu subscriptions, an increase of 12.4 million vs. Q3 fiscal 2025, and 132 million Disney+ subscribers, an increase of 3.8 million vs. Q3 fiscal 2025](https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/app/uploads/2025/11/q4-fy25-earnings.pdf)

Hankol2025-12-09 15:58

That's the expected outcome if you measure everything in financial success. Maybe it's time to change things.

B1L1D82025-12-09 16:03

I think a lot of people have bad memories of F4 movies and in no rush to watch it, especially with all the holiday stuff going on. I saw it in theaters but yet to watch it again, gonna put it on during x-mas break and watch it with my dad.

Swing-Full2025-12-09 16:06

Not surprised, a fact that Marvel fans don't want to admit is the Fantastic Four just aren't popular

20 years, 4 movies only 1 of them made money - and FF Fans complained about it!

I understand *why* Marvel made First Steps, but I think it was very obvious it wasn't gonna make money

mrbaryonyx2025-12-09 18:49

ok but this is the company that made Guardians a phenomenon

As recently as 2022 the prospect of the MCU finally making a F4 movie was major hype, and its kind of just not now.

Even speaking personally, I have it filed under "I really want to watch this but am never in the mood to do it right now" which usually means I'll never actually watch it.

TARS19862025-12-09 20:44

Guardians were unknown and I think Gunn had a lot more flexibility and creativity in storytelling. Lower expectations per se. F4 felt so doctored like Marvel were scared to disappoint.

labbla2025-12-10 03:03

You could tell Guardians had the juice with it's first trailer. F4 never had that sort of energy or enthusiasm.

BiddyKing2025-12-09 20:48

I genuinely believe it is the most boring MCU film, absolute snooze-fest

mrbaryonyx2025-12-09 20:59

I haven't seen it but BNW is hard to beat

KaladinSkywalker2025-12-10 03:26

>ok but this is the company that made Guardians a phenomenon

That was 100% due to James Gunn, not Disney/Marvel Studios.

leoleo6782025-12-09 21:15

The Incredibles is successful proof of concept though. FF: First Steps was just boring and not that liked as Marvel fans like to think.

ballinb0ss2025-12-09 16:11

Yeah the brand's hurt. Pre covid MCU films had a 15 year long reputation for quality even for their occasional weak entries.

Release five years of middling at best and god awful at worst and no doubt you kill your brand.

mastyrwerk2025-12-09 16:15

I watched it like six times now. I CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH

SpitOnRedditMods2025-12-09 16:20

Probably cause more people are canceling Disney with the price hikes

Spiderlander2025-12-09 16:22

Nope

bondinferno2025-12-09 16:22

I liked Fantastic 4, and it’s by far one of the better Marvel releases in recent memory. But I have had zero desire to rewatch it.

Kgaset2025-12-09 16:23

I dropped Disney+ when they upped prices yet again. Seen F4 more than once on Youtube though.

zeroxray2025-12-09 16:25

It's not a bad movie but its not a rewatchable movie compared to the other MCU origin movies.

SchruteFarmsBeets_2025-12-09 16:25

Doomsday needs to hit otherwise this is looking so bleak for the future lmao

BiddyKing2025-12-09 20:51

Even if Doomsday and Secret Wars does happen to hit, I imagine it’ll have the post-Endgame stragglers finally have their Endgame moment of ‘time to hop off this train once and for all’

cygnus22025-12-10 09:16

I can’t imagine Doomsday not being a mess. We don’t even have an Avengers team yet.

TheManEatingSock2025-12-09 16:27

Its definitely not because people stopped over paying for their services /s

Browncoat17012025-12-09 16:27

Well it is the holiday movie season.... So if I'm going to watch anything this weekend it's going to be a holiday movie...I can wait to watch fantastic four again later.

Willow18832025-12-09 16:29

I enjoyed F4 in the theatre, but for whatever reason I have not be motivated to rewatch it like other Marvel films (I’m a chronic rewatcher to the point of shame). Tracks for me.

Laniger2025-12-09 23:38

To me it was the pacing of the movie, I loved it as well but the whole sudden cuts and time jumps were managed pretty weird in the edit, that's what has been keeping me from watching it again.

schebobo1802025-12-10 00:35

Agreed.

I also think the world was poorly fleshed out.

I found it bizzare how the F4 were essentially working entirely on their own for the plan with no support from other world powers.

It just made the earth feel more lifeless to me.

RazzleDazzle34692025-12-10 02:14

Uhhh the rest of the world assisted in building the teleportation bridges and did the worldwide curfew

SwordoftheMourn2025-12-10 05:09

Surprised that Doom had little to say about that

Player2LightWater2025-12-10 07:16

Doom wasn't present on the UN meeting during the brief introduction of F4 in the movie.

SwordoftheMourn2025-12-10 07:18

And yet he supposedly exists in this earth but has not even a small presence in the movie. I think building him this early wouldn’t have been an issue.

zzyul2025-12-10 07:55

RDJ’s salary required to put him in the movie would have been the issue. It was one of the clear problems when casting him for Doom.

SwordoftheMourn2025-12-10 08:17

Truly unfortunate. Idk why Feige had this idea cooking for years to the point he even suggested it to RDJ and thought it was a genius move.

redsandsfort2025-12-10 15:12

So they have a main antagonist that is too expensive to put in films?

Senshado2025-12-10 12:58

Yes, we saw news footage of the world obeying Reed's instructions. The weird part is that he's basically treated as the boss of the planet.

There's no sense that any government leaders or other organizations have a say. We don't see any of the usual characters expected in a story about aliens threatening planet earth.

witsel852025-12-10 11:40

It’s really strange, it starts well, plods for a while and then just sprints to a very fast finish almost out the blue. It’s almost like it was edited in one go if that makes sense. They got it to the length they wanted and never looked at it again.

HumanDrone2025-12-10 01:54

I enjoyed it as I watched it. However I later found lots of things that didn't make sense about it and so I don't really feel like watching it again

Willow18832025-12-10 02:04

What were some things that left you feeling that way? I mean, there’s the obvious, “Don’t tell the whole world you failed to save it because you wouldn’t sacrifice your child…” bit. Reed also didn’t really get too much of a chance to show his genius in action, which isn’t so much a confusing point or plot hole so much as it is a “told not shown” problem. I think that’s one of the biggest holes for me. We CONSTANTLY saw Tony Stark being brilliant—even just with his quips—with Reed it was more like, “I already invented teleportation…now look! I made it bigger off screen!”. I also found Sue’s brief death totally hollow because it would never stick and having Franklin revive her was obvious. It just struck me that it might’ve been better to have Galactus on the verge of killing Sue and Franklin panics and baby-thinks Galactus to death. IDK. I really loved the performances and visuals. Just felt kinda hollow.

HumanDrone2025-12-10 07:31

Basically what you said. Plus the fact that Reed's teleportation plan was a bit too much even for a comicbook movie imo. And the backup plan was even worse but somehow worked? Nah. Was cool when I watched, but the more I thought about it the worse it got

zzyul2025-12-10 08:04

I would have liked if Sue didn’t die but after pushing Galactus through the portal Reed asks her “how were you able to do that? The force required far exceeds every test we’ve run on your abilities.” And Sue responds with something like “I don’t know, something felt different. I can’t explain it.” That would leave the “is Franklin super special” question a mystery while also explaining why she was able to push a god like being.

Aiyon2025-12-10 04:53

I find myself rewatching later MCU entries much less than the earlier ones.

There’s plenty I enjoy it’s just different.

I do rewatch hawkeye at Xmas though

inthehxightse2025-12-10 14:22

Im an avid rewatcher (mostly through watching reactions) and same here, i think for me the reason is the story is relatively simple and contained. You see it once or twice and get everything. Not really many small details to catch by rewatching, not a lot of huge moments or cool cameos, and any suspense is kinda dissolved knowing the 4 and franklin would return in the following movies. It's nice visually but the pace and plot feel like they're at odds with each other

essentiallyaghost2025-12-10 16:27

It was an alright movie, but it didn't have any "wow, I HAVE to rewatch that part" moments for me.

Corgi_Koala2025-12-10 16:54

It was fine but nothing special.

It may sound silly but I felt there weren't enough action sequences.

The only 2 major ones were escaping Galactus and the final fight. Just felt like I was watching a lot of talking and not a lot of superheroing.

perhapsascythe2025-12-09 16:40

my guess is there was not any scenes that would hit again in rewatch

searcher44212025-12-09 16:40

I enjoyed First Steps, but I think people were just anxious to see if Marvel got the characters right this time, which they did. Now that that's out of the way and we've got them in the MCU, people are probably just more excited to see them interact with other characters now.

YesicaChastain2025-12-09 18:38

The reception of the movie shows pretty clearly that some self correction should be in place…

TARS19862025-12-09 20:32

I’m not sure I completely agree with you. Pedro for example was mostly fine as Reed, but very non memorable. I didn’t love any of the characters. Just zero chemistry. Not sure if it’s the writing, etc but nothing stood out for me with the actors.

Huckleberry_Sin2025-12-09 21:10

It was not bad but it def wasn’t good either. Just mid. Kind of boring honestly. I’d give it a 5.5/10. You can watch it but it won’t be worth it but it also won’t be a waste of time. Just a time pass.

I watched Superman the same night right after and enjoyed the hell out of it so it wasn’t superhero fatigue or any of that. Just fatigue to bland writing.

TARS19862025-12-09 21:55

Agree - loved Superman and considering a re-watch soon. Mister Terrific was great - knew nothing of him before the movie and now I’m a fan. Also, Jimmy Olsen was just so good. I was cracking up with some of his scenes. That whole cast had great chemistry. I guess I’m also just a good target audience member for a Gunn movie. The Guardians movies are some of my favorite in the MCU.

Rastarapha3202025-12-09 23:40

It doesn't make a good movie just to check the box "it's not a cloud this time"

Pertinax19812025-12-09 16:44

The fatigue is real. I love comics but nearly everything post Endgame has been a huge miss.

Marvel has decades of comics and characters to choose from. I dont understand their choices

iDrum172025-12-09 16:45

Yeah because the marketing sucks!!!! I didn’t know it was on D+ until this post!

dragongrl2025-12-09 16:46

Because it wasn't very good.

El_Quetzal2025-12-09 16:46

Not trying to be funny or a troll just a real question. Did people really think this movie was going to be an easy mega success?

RoddRoward2025-12-09 16:50

Other than the Galactus parts, Fantastic Four was very mid.

fudabushi2025-12-09 16:51

I canceled Disney plus and just sail the rough seas now so maybe that's why

EmeraldEmp2025-12-09 16:55

I tried to tell people Brave New World was a Disney+ hit and they wouldn’t have it lol

Nova-Kane2025-12-09 16:58

It was a pretty good film but I wanted more out of an MCU F4 film tbh. It wasn't smart enough, especially the final act and, I hate to say it, but there was some miscasting... It's why I think this sub should put a ban on fancasting for tactical reasons, because Marvel see popular fan casting and then say "Well, we have to do something completely different now".

tallybear2025-12-09 17:03

I still don't have Disney+ after the whole Jimmy Kimmel thing. I wonder if there are still a lot of people who haven't gotten it back.

FreeFireBird2025-12-09 17:08

It's too formulaic. There's not enough improvisation. They should be making things up as they go along.

ChrisP_Bacon042025-12-09 17:13

It’s a one and done for me. Thought it was boring when I saw it in theaters

_jackychain2025-12-09 17:14

The movie is mid. There’s nothing wrong with it besides lack of action but there’s nothing great about it either.

LiberalOverlord2025-12-09 17:28

I watched it on Disney plus and loved it. One of the better recent MCU offerings.

lucabibble2025-12-09 17:29

It was honestly not as good as Thunderbolts, and the MCU's reputation has fallen into the gutter sadly

Capable_Sandwich_4222025-12-09 17:53

It’s not that great of a movie.

Funk5oulBrother2025-12-09 17:53

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The MCU bubble has well and truly burst.

bombuzal20002025-12-09 17:55

I really wanted to like it and while I mostly did it felt weirdly unremarkable. Not sure what it was but it just did not feel like much of anything. Maybe the different time period in a different universe was too much to actually get invested in any of it beyond the surface.

It just didn't feel real at all if that makes any sense in a mcu project lol.

TARS19862025-12-09 20:46

Yep it felt very fake. All NYC movies/shows in the MCU feel gritty and lived in. This felt like the Jetsons. I’m sure it was intentional, but it didn’t work for me.

jumpyg12582025-12-09 21:29

I found myself rather bored while watching it.

Syjefroi2025-12-09 22:08

I think it's because it felt like the 2nd or 3rd movie in a trilogy. We get the characters, we almost immediately jump ahead to a baby being in the picture (a character most casual FF-aware people are not familiar, who also is... a baby, not a "character"... even Baby Groot had more to offer you know?), we get tons of mentions of past battles with iconic villains (without showing basically any of it?), we get an amazing Galactus who nevertheless felt not like a "character" as much as a tidal wave** and we got an amazing Surfer who felt underdeveloped, almost like a cameo. The main characters felt a bit flat compared to the last big successful team film (Guardians), and most of them barely got into any action.

It was a mostly-fun movie that looked amazing and was well made, but the characters and stakes were out of alignment.

**I go back every time to good villains, and how reality-destroying monsters are not intimidating. Villains that have personal stakes are the ones we remember the most and which hit the hardest. Purple Man from Jessica Jones is infinitely more scary than Galactus. Thanos has the same "end all life" plan but we like him because he has motives that are personal, and he gets his hands dirty constantly. Galactus is cool, but in this movie he flatlined the wider character arc-ness and put that side of the formula in the territory of, say, Thor 2, or I dunno The Eternals?

bombuzal20002025-12-09 23:39

Galactus is like a final boss that has the personality of a natural disaster. It was all too soon. I didn't really get to know or care about the Jetsons planet to really care about the tidal wave.

I thought the movie would have been about F4 fighting their rogues gallery and gaining the love of the people. Thorough the movie they would get hints about Galactus. Silver Surfer appears heralding at some point. Last act Galactus appears. Big fight. G eats the Jetsons planet and F4 narrowly escapes to earth-616. Last ditch effort Sue bubbles everyone to an escape apparatus to save Franklin while the planet melts away screaming in the background. Maybe they brought Victor with them.

That would have set up G as a proper monster to be feared.

2nd F4 movie would be F4 settling in 616. Reed has a horrible survivors guilt. Franklin grows up a bit and is being spooky. Annihilus or Molecule Man gets clobbered. Doom is Dooming. End credit scene Silver Surfer flies past our Jupiter.

Third movie is all about Galactus getting the munchies for 616. We get to know G better. It all looks hopeless. F4 travels to meet him like they did. A huge showdown and a payback at earth-616.

Syjefroi2025-12-10 02:16

> Galactus is like a final boss that has the personality of a natural disaster. It was all too soon. I didn't really get to know or care about the Jetsons planet to really care about the tidal wave.
>
> I thought the movie would have been about F4 fighting their rogues gallery and gaining the love of the people.

Exactly. We never got our Stark in a cave, Peter dealing with sacrifice, Steve jumping on a grenade, etc etc. We are *told* the team is beloved. We are *told* their world appreciates them. They spent more time building a beautiful world and they were very clever about revealing their back story and how people felt about them. I think they were interested in skipping the origin story, which I get. MCU Peter Parker got the same treatment. Except we got to see him help people, start small and build up something. FF skipped the origin but then skipped anything that made them relatable, or anything that showed them really struggle. Like alright, smartest man in the world and his millionaire crew, the Beatles of their world, I guess that makes us... like them..? Because we're expected to?

Big missed opportunity. I still liked the movie, just won't stick with me, doesn't really have the magic of the better hero journeys we've seen in the past.

Wrong-Vermicelli47232025-12-10 11:26

It was a mistake to skip the origin story and even more of a mistake to skip to Sue and Reed not only being married but having kids.

Rastarapha3202025-12-09 23:31

They never played around with the 60s setting dnfor the direction, which makes the whole thing very bland...

TheFastestKnight2025-12-10 07:12

Very well said. Accents aside, it was a missed opportunity. They could've done so much more with the setting and the world was really interesting and beautiful, but we didn't explore any of it besides the F4 building, Subterranea (more or less), the Future Foundation building and the Thing walking through a NY street. It felt very limited and, as you said, bland.

AchillesDeal2025-12-10 15:58

It really was kinda flat and shit. I still prefer the og F4 movie. This felt too, clinical and sterile. Idk,

joejoe9032025-12-09 18:02

The mental gymnastics people are jumping through to justify why it got less views is baffling. Marvel die hards just can't imagine that the movies don't resonate with audiences like they used to. I don't think even a single marvel movie broke the top 10 in the box office this year which hasn't happened in years. Marvel got beat out by a How to Train Your Dragon live action shot for shot remake and a Mission Impossible. Superman is in the top 10 though

mrbaryonyx2025-12-09 19:03

There was seriously a point in time where an MCU F4 movie would have been all anyone talked about; shit there was some major hype for it as recently as 2022.

Even just speaking personally as like, a guy who saw Thunderbolts in theaters and probably cares more about these than most people; I haven't seen it yet. Its a movie I want to see but never find time for.

Huckleberry_Sin2025-12-09 21:16

Marvel has let audience apathy get too out of control. I and everyone else used to get hyped waiting for Marvel movies but now it’s like I literally don’t care about anything Marvel unless it’s something like SpiderMan or the original Avengers (Tony, Cap, etc). They haven’t put out something original in years. It’s all just been bland or boring af.

_lazybones932025-12-09 18:15

That’s a shame—F4 was very good.

md110862025-12-09 19:48

I wanted to go see Superman but tickets were sold out so I F4 was our backup plan, god this movie was so boring. Really no point in ever watching it again.

khaliberlewis2025-12-09 21:35

I watched it. The movie is, meh. It being located on a completely different Earth and being disconnected from the whole MCU didn't really help. I liked the depiction of galactus. They faced very little adversity.

DoNotLookUp32025-12-09 22:19

Kinda makes sense, it was just okay. I thought Thunderbolts was a lot better overall, more moving and meaningful too. That cast had great chemistry which I surprisingly didn't feel outside of Thing and Johnny.

F4 felt very interesting until they got back from space, then it fell flat. Wish that second half was designed better.

Also this is a real hot take too but I really miss origin stories, especially when the origin story version(s) we've got aren't even good. I wanted an MCU F4 origin or at least a 20-30 minute sequence showing them working together instead of the montage we got. Same with the new X-Men, I don't want to skip all the origin elements and move right into a team that's already missed a lot of cool aspects. Sometimes seeing these heroes struggle through their origin, seeing them learn their powers and having less stakes at first is really cool and builds a stronger connection between the characters and the audience IMO. Imagine if we skipped Tony and Cap's intros for example and just saw them leading the Avengers as a unit - I don't think that would've been half as good as seeing it from the ground-floor.

To me, seeing the characters from the ground-up in a connected universe is half the allure, so seeing them skip many of them is a shame personally.

bluequarz2025-12-10 08:41

For that reason alone I like the first og F4 movie better. Sue is done dirty, the plot and villain is wack and it's extremely corny and cheesy but it's a more entertaining movie to me personally and it's because we get to see them start at zero

Wrong-Vermicelli47232025-12-10 11:15

F4 100% should’ve been origin story , this isn’t Batman/superman/spiderman , where they’ve had multiple box office successes for their debut film. F4 origins have been done poorly three times and 1 wasn’t released.