Just finished iron heart and… (spoilers)

I liked the ending. Marvel films/stories usually end up with the good guy suffering some kind of loss or ill fate. The fact it’s self inflicted is just in Iron Heart’s character.

I understand the other end of the stick for this one but the reason I enjoyed it is because it’s not how you expected the ending to play out at all.

I found it refreshing that even after the journey she’s been through, she makes the wrong decision. I really want to see her story continued so we can see her come to realize that and struggle to free herself from this prison of her own making

Why is the ending so badvin your eyes?

Ironheart makes more sense when it was supposed to be part of it's own mini-verse with other shows culminating in Strange Academy, but because those didn't go through except for Agatha the IH ending doesn't make sense(and why it was shelved so long) and probably never concluded.

I think the ending actually kicks ass because it retroactively makes the rest of the series more interesting. It feels like her growing, leveling up, etc. throughout, but in her final decision, it reframes it as a descent, feeding more into her impulses and greatest desires instead of being a hero. Most stories are about a hero rising, overcoming, but it’s a little refreshing to see the inverse. Not everything worked for me, but that really did.

I thought that ending is what made it really interesting. Instead of a typical superhero show, the ending kinda "reveals" Season 1 is actually more of a villain origin story.

Riri started "good" but over the episodes we see her make questionable choices like leaving someone to die & creating that AI. Her deal with Mephisto confirms she's pretty messed up.

At least that's my interpretation for now, assuming they'll continue her story as Mephisto's pawn. I expect she'll at least be a secondary villain at some point given how hungry she is to be "iconic" then maybe get a redemption arc in the end.

The show is weird because she never actually becomes a hero. She never saves the day.

She makes the suit to just prove she can, she joins a criminal organisation for money and she's pretty arrogant. That's fine, she can have a character arc. But it never comes.

She uses dark magic without thinking of the reprocutions, she only goes after the Hood for selfish reasons and she makes a deal with the devil. She never even becomes likable. Iron Man was also an asshole but he was funny and there's multiple scenes showing him save lives.

The actual hero of the story is Joe. He helps Iron Heart, wants to help the world, gets locked up because he helped Iron Heart, gets his revenge, refuses to kill her and then gets controlled by the bad guy.

Edit: I'm not a fan of open endings for series that most likely won't get second seasons. I hope it gets a season 2 because I think that'd help me like season 1 more.

I loved the ending. If you could bring back your most loved person, how far would you go? Riri knows what it'll cost her. She's also very confident in her own abilities. Probably too confident. She probably feels she can outsmart her way out of this. She's going to learn how mortal she and her tech truly are. She's gonna end up losing everything and ending up worse than she's ever been. There are no good endings when dealing with Mephisto. I can't wait to see how she triumphs.

I loved the whole thing. Its an actual hero who doesn't make all the right choices. We would all do the same thing to bring back someone we loved

The ending was the only interesting part of the show.

The ending was arguably the best part.

It suited the character in every way:

Unable to part from her best friend and resist getting her back

Making headstrong decisions

Thinking she can one-up someone (thing?) like Mephisto and have the best of both worlds (very Tony-esque)

Emotional decision


Equally, imagine starting out Mephisto in the MCU and the first thing he does is fail to use his cunning and malice to trick Ironheart. That would be atrocious

Of course she made that choice, the whole season is about her making bad choices because they're convenient. This is an extended origin story.

I gotta disagree personally. I think the easy out for them would be Riri deciding she's strong enough not to give in. The show reminded me of WandaVision in the sense where we see a protagonist moving to the dark path and I appreciated that because it's not so common.

I just hope there are long term consequences that play out from this decision.

It does make the show more interesting but it does make Riri as a character kind of unlikeable

She never becomes a hero and she just constantly makes bad, questionable and selfish decisions until the end. She has no character development like Iron Man did and she never redeems herself

Maybe she gets this arc in season 2 or whatever role was going to be in Armor Wars

Fk you for reminding me this show exists lol jk

I think you mean you couldn't care less.

I liked the ending

I found this ending so... unnecessary? desperate?

You know, no one called me out for making a deal with Rafael in Baldurs Gate 3. I know he's a cambion, but I just believed in myself that I could outsmart him and his contract. Maybe Riri felt similarly.

The finale was incredible and I think her choice is incredibly inline with who she had been all season. Made perfect sense. She thinks she is smarter than everyone and shows that isn’t the case several times. She think she is going to outsmart Mephisto and doesn’t realize she isn’t.

I don’t get the people who are so against her making an obvious decision for her character. Every episode was better than the one that came before. I’m very glad I watched it.

There was a point not far from the ending when I began to realize Riri wasn’t going to turn around and fix her problems. She was all like, “I’m a genius, I need this, that makes me justified”. No it doesn’t honey

> I could care less who’s the main lead what their race or gender is so long as the story and action is good.

So you do care a little?

I didn't love the start. Somewhere around the turn in Alden Ehrenreich's character I started liking it, and the introduction of the Big Bad was terrific. I'd like to see a second season because I think they could build on the strengths of what they started, but that sounds unlikely.

The ending is great, it's sad it took them this long to edge into resolutions like this instead of "Hero wins, next movie we up the stakes"

For all the glazing Iron Man gets, they never showed you the double dealing and screw jobs he handed out to people on his way to the top.

It was only when he got hit with his own missile that he wisened up, much like how we hopefully see Riri handle the pitfalls she's about to go through

She needed to learn 2 lessons (trust her people for help, & dial down her pride). She fell because she only learned the former, so Mephisto was able to nab her on the latter. It's a Greek tragedy.

The only thing I didn't like about the ending was the weird fake-out editing.

I found it very refreshing that a flawed hero had some growth but also still was flawed and made what the audience believes to be an enormous mistake at the end.

Everyone overcoming everything in the final act is a repetitive and boring story.

My real issue with this character is it seems like they have no future plans for her.  Much of the MCU in the 2020s feels rudderless and unfocused.

One of Marvel’s best. Great characters, great story, and had a huge heart. Feels like no one gave it a chance and it was left totally unseen by most.

Se because she's flawed and made a bad choice it was a bad ending?

I thought it was good to get her making a pretty terrible decision, she feels very real for it. I'd make a bad choice for a lot less.

She’s kind of dumb for being a genius that’s my only gripe

100% felt the same way

I feel like the ending isn’t bad because the entire show does build up to it, it’s not a complete out of field twist.

The entire show we get the idea Riri is in a dark place and still not over what has happened, it doesn’t seem out of character that in a time of desperation she’d take the deal.

It would’ve been much worse if throughout the show we watched Riri healing only to suddenly switch in the final moments

It all made sense for me after I made a headcanon that we are actually watching a villain's origin story. Also explains Riri's petulant behavior

It's the Door 3 solution. Riri, like plenty of heroes, think highly of their skills. When faced with a "two options" problem, they take the worst option convinced that they will somehow find or luck into a secret "Door 3" that will allow them to avoid the consequences of a bad choice. Here are some examples in the MCU:

Iron Man 1: When given the choice of building a missile for terrorists or be killed, Stark chooses Door 3 by secretly building the Mk1 suit to escape.

Thor 1: When the Destroyer comes to town, Thor has the option to fight with his friends at the risk of their lives or offer himself as a sacrifice to appease Loki. He lucked into Door 3 by becoming worthy of Mjolnir and his Asgardian strength when he would have otherwise died.

Captain America 1: Either fly himself into the ice to drown Red Skull's warplane or risk the mega bombs deploying while working on a solution that wouldn't involve his own death. Like Thor, he lucked into Door 3 in that the serum allowed him to survive in ice until he was eventually found.

Avengers: Iron Man redirecting the nuke into the portal was supposed to be a one-way trip, but the other option was to allow it to level New York. Once again, the hero lucked into Door 3 when he fell out of the portal before it closed.

Following this trend (which is common among the genre as a total, not just the MCU), Riri was faced with a choice early on to join the criminal gang or find a legitimate source of funding. She took the objectively worse choice thinking that she could walk away clean by making sure no one got hurt during the heists (making her own luck, kinda of like Stark in IM1).

She does not take magical threats seriously, no doubt believing in the strength of her science just like Tony Stark. Riri downplayed how seriously she takes Mephisto when she called him "Mr. Dormamu Man" even though she was explicitly told earlier that Dormammu has apocalyptic powers and owns his own friggin' dimension. And yet the guy she choose to work directly with someone who basically claimed to outscale Dormammu. Riri already thinks Door 2 isn't a big downside (despite leaving Parker like an addict in withdrawls) and is sure she'll find or create Door 3 so that she gets everything she wants (including her dead friend being brought back to life) and suffer no meaningful consequences.

I love a flawed protagonist so they have an arc or journey to go through rather than just pop into the story perfect and not make any bad/selfish decisions

I thought the show was woefully lacking in action, but then I guess it's just not that kind of show. It was pretty good imo, then youknowwho showed up and the show was propelled to excellent, in my opinion.

I really enjoyed it, but no one else in my Marvel-loving family will watch it because it's a tv show.

Mephisto is coming!

I like it, it sets up the potential for an interesting character arc and subvert expectations of the hero always managing to resist being corrupted.

I thought the ending was a great twist, and I sensed it might be coming but didn't think it would end up that way.

The rest of the show however, it was a struggle to get through, the dialogue, the supporting characters, the double-standards... it was bad.

Not interested in the baby avengers.

I actually think the show was hot garbage redeemed only by the ending. To each their own. We'll see (hopefully if this project isn't forgotten like so many others) what the impact is in future projects.

There was some noise out there about her maybe being a Kang Variant. Kind of like the Iron Lad thing. It would make more sense that Mephisto would want her then.

I think she has a plan. But we'll see.