Why did the Thunderbolts movie focus more on Yelena than on Bucky?

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# Honestly, I would have liked to see more of him and his character development, after having seen him in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

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eagc72025-12-09 02:07

Because they wanted it to be about Yelena?

ROBtimusPrime19952025-12-09 02:09

Because we already did a major exploration of his trauma as a quasi-trilogy.

Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Falcon/Winter Solider.

He has dealt with his pain already, so Thunderbolts* focused on the other characters' pain instead.

The movie even jokes about this very thing as a throwaway line.

Aggravating-Mix20942025-12-09 14:38

Exactly! Came here to say that in the void’s shame rooms he doesn’t need to say anything other than, “i have a great past so I’m totally fine” and we know with the weight of a cap trilogy, and tfaws exactly what he is taking about. We already have a shorthand with Bucky’s trauma

Edit: And tbh, they are grooming Pugh to takeover as a top line avenger. She is a MASSIVE global star. And Sebastian Stan is beloved, but not on the same scale. And likely his time in the mcu is winding down, doomsday and secret wars will make 9 films and a series, and I’m sure he wants to do other things as well

urgasmic2025-12-09 02:09

bucky's had enough.

FERFreak7312025-12-09 02:10

Bucky had character development in TFATWS

ubutterscotchpine2025-12-09 02:12

Because we already have had several movies about Bucky lol. There’s only so many times you can run over the same character. We know Bucky. We don’t know Yelena.

silverBruise_322025-12-09 09:08

Which ones? We had a movie where Yelena was the lead, but they still gave her another

spidervenom6192025-12-10 02:07

Yelena Belova wasn't the Lead in Black Widow, Natasha was. This is like saying that Bucky was a lead in Thunderbolts.

silverBruise_322025-12-10 08:33

She definitely was. She's the one who gets focus, and an arc.

spidervenom6192025-12-10 22:38

...Look I Know that for whatever reason you hate Yelena but don't lied, Everyone knows that Black Widow is Natasha story first and first most, she was the one who saved Taskmaster and stopped Dreykov Plans.

Again this is like saying that Walker was a lead in Thunderbolts just cause he got a arc.

silverBruise_322025-12-10 22:42

What makes you think I hate Yelena? Where did I say that? She really isn't. She's not the one who makes the major decisions, or the one with truly personal stakes. Yelena is the one trying to get out of the life. The mission is hers.

What arc did Walker get in Thunderbolts? You can't seriously claim that

ubutterscotchpine2025-12-10 22:53

Now I’m positive you didn’t watch Thunderbolts at all.

silverBruise_322025-12-11 05:45

What a response! Care to back that up with an explanation?

ubutterscotchpine2025-12-10 22:53

She was not lmao. This is a wild take. It was literally Natasha’s movie. The fact that Florence Pugh is incredibly magnetic and did take over doesn’t negate the fact that she was NOT the main character.

silverBruise_322025-12-11 05:44

What makes it Natasha's movie? What's Natasha's development? Her arc?

spidervenom6192025-12-13 19:12

1. Natasha was the one that start the downfall of Dreykov the Big Bad not Yelena. The Only thing the Yelena did was divebomb into a plane that just so to happened to have Dreykov in it.

2. It wasn't Yelena who birted Taskmaster but Natasha's Actions from Budapest and it was Natasha who was the one who saved Taskmaster.

Yelena's only "Arc' in Black Widow is her becoming a Daddy's Girl and getting the final blow onto Dreykov by again dive bombing into the plane but even then her ass is still getting saved by the actual main character of that film Natasha.

silverBruise_322025-12-13 19:16

1. She ran into Yelena, who asked her to help her break free of the Red Room.

2. That's a fairly minor thing in the grand scheme of the movie.

Yelena is the one whose worldview is challenged, the one who achieves her goal (Natasha had mostly already achieved hers when she defected), and the one who has a set-up for the future. The whole movie is about introducing her as Natasha's replacement.

spidervenom6192025-12-13 19:18

Saving and stopping the woman who they have fighting throughout the entire movie is somehow a minor thing? Bruh Now I know you're hating lol.

silverBruise_322025-12-13 19:21

Dreykov is the bigger threat all along. And he's the one Yelena wants to go after.

They pulled a lot of that "bait and switch protagonist" stuff in phase 4. They did it in this movie, too. I don't know why some people don't want to admit it. It's not a reflection on the qualities of any specific character, it's just an annoying approach they had,

chickenkebaap2025-12-09 02:14

Civil war and Winter Soldier was about him

sourdoughrrmc2025-12-09 02:17

Cause they didn't ask you?

rubyschnees2025-12-09 02:24

because it was yelena's movie

natedog632025-12-09 02:24

Because that's what's in the script.

kingjordan23642025-12-09 02:26

Leadership, I prefer john walker over them

Hungry-Wrongdoer-1562025-12-09 02:30

Because Sebastian Stan has already done like a dozen things for Marvel and will probably be moving on to other things soon, while Florence Pugh is still relatively new and will likely be sticking around longer.

Sunshine1452025-12-09 02:31

Cause they didn't want money

2dal3atcave2025-12-09 02:37

Lol okay...I guess write marvel a personal letter next time?

spidervenom6192025-12-09 03:07

...I swear to God, Bucky fans won't be happy unless he's the main character of the Entire MCU. He got like 2 movies and a tv show that he was the main focus of?

Plus Bucky's already went through his grief of losing Steve and becoming the Winter Solider, Yelena is still going through losing Natasha and her adopted Mother from her life. Yelena needed that movie more then Bucky did.

silverBruise_322025-12-09 09:13

Except, he didn't. He wasn't the main focus of any of these projects. He was a largely mute antagonist in The Winter Soldier. He was a plot device in Civil War. He was an afterthought in a show with his name on it. His story was resolved off-screen, he had almost an episode's worth less screentime than Sam. Shockingly, in.a universe that gave characters like Echo or Ironheart their own projects, some people might not think that's good enough.

The only reason that's the case is that they decided to finish his story on the show. Realistically, his grief should still be with him. But that's not what they wanted to write

Grayx_28872025-12-09 03:11

Because it's her movie, and she needs to be one of the newer faces to carry out the weight of the MCU?!

silverBruise_322025-12-09 09:14

And what a great decision that was! That's why the movie was such a success!

GBMUrp61912025-12-19 21:31

I’d argue it hurts the movie a little.

silverBruise_322025-12-19 21:32

It might not have been obvious, but I was being sarcastic. Pushing Yelena so hard obviously wasn't a good decision.

GBMUrp61912025-12-19 21:34

Oh sorry. Sometimes it’s hard for me to tell when someone is being serious or not.

silverBruise_322025-12-19 21:34

Maybe I should have been clearer. Sorry if I came across as rude

GBMUrp61912025-12-19 22:52

Don’t worry. You’re good.

Then_North_63472025-12-09 17:35

He had a good amount of screen time, the problem was the writers were trying to kill us with boredom for most of it.

And Yelena needed agency, to drive the plot. Yelena was constantly just a passenger in the car.

Think of Jack Sparrow. He's an interesting character because he did so much to push the plot along in his movies--he did things because he wanted a ship, he wanted revenge, he wanted a chest with a heart, etc

Yelena got sent to the tower, she got sent to the bunker, she got kidnapped by bucky and told she's going to Valentinas tower. She didn't do a lot on her own until the very end.