>"We just had a lot of fun because it was a great group of people, and everybody was very funny. David Harbour \[and\] Wyatt Russell \[are very funny\] and Florence Pugh \[is\] really very talented. It was just a good time. If you guys like the movie, help us make another one."
PayneTrain1819992025-12-08 21:23
The problem is I expect some of them to die in the upcoming Avengers movies, and Bucky in particular is at risk, especially if Steve does return and witnesses Bucky die in front of him… permanently this time.
radar_3d2025-12-08 21:42
"If I had a nickel for every time Bucky died in front of me, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice."
mrbaryonyx2025-12-08 22:12
"first time?"--Loki
SeniorRicketts2025-12-09 02:40
Loki Myers or Vorhees
Hey_I_Aint_Eddy2025-12-08 21:46
lol at Steve *returning* to see Bucky die *permanently*
The movies are as bad as the comics now. No death is sacred.
Spicy_Weissy2025-12-08 21:47
If the Russos kill off my beautiful broken babies I'm done with the MCU, for real.
Buhos_En_Pantelones2025-12-08 22:37
They're heavily involved, but they don't write the movies.
Heart-Lights4202025-12-09 00:15
I’m avoiding all thrillers and major spoilers, so im not well informed 😅🤞 …but, isn’t these next avenger movies doing a “soft reboot”?, I have no idea what they’ll do, but in my mind a lot of people gotta die so the can recast, right?
biskutgoreng2025-12-09 01:33
They killed off Ghost in like the first five minutes
Swordf1sh_2025-12-09 01:57
Yeah that felt off
BambooSound2025-12-08 21:49
> if Steve does return and witnesses Bucky die in front of him… permanently this time.
Boring. That's exactly what they did with Loki in Infinity War.
PlatoDrago2025-12-08 22:03
Id actually keep Bucky alive to bring a more interesting story. Basically keep bucky as he is now (if you get what I’m saying) and have cap come back with a new actor and acknowledge that this isn’t the same Steve that Bucky grew up with and visa-versa. They are friends but not really. They know each other deeply yet not at all. They’ve shared experiences yet their faces are unfamiliar to each other.
Grabthar-the-Avenger2025-12-08 22:12
A lot of them died in Infinity War already. That doesn’t mean much long term…
otakushinjikun2025-12-08 22:51
It's comic book movies, death never stopped anybody
And if they really want to do it without variants or recons, they can always do pull a Black Widow and set it before any inconvenient death.
_________FU_________2025-12-08 23:05
Imagine bringing him back just to watch Bucky die. That's dastardly
TheDeadlyCat2025-12-09 00:51
Variant Steve will be who kills him. Calling it.
Wrong-Vermicelli47232025-12-09 04:13
I mean if he’s advocating for a sequel than he’s probably safe
Spicy_Weissy2025-12-08 21:45
Everything about the TBolts from BTS to interviews and the production just checks all the boxes for what's to like about making movies
jmanclovis2025-12-08 21:51
I liked it
Oroshi39652025-12-08 22:16
Damn, knowing he really wants another one makes me really want another one.
It was already like my favorite marvel film of Phase 4 and 5, but if the actors really enjoyed the production and the end result then I really hope they get to make another one. It had its failings, but it was the first film of 4&5 that felt like it really got to say what it wanted to say and got to have good action and comic relief on top of that.
I genuinely hope the New Avengers get to have another film together and hopefully they give them the ability to really act as the New Avengers and face an interesting threat.
pm_me_yo_creditscore2025-12-08 21:12
lambopanda2025-12-08 21:13
We’re talking Thunderbolts* 2 or the New Avengers 2?
Jet-Let46062025-12-08 21:14
Definitely New Avengers.
disneylegospider12025-12-08 21:19
There’s no way they’re still called the New Avengers after Secret Wars. By the time that movie’s over, who the real Avengers are (which is Sam’s team) will be clear, and either the New Avengers/Avengerz will merge with his team and they all live in the tower or they stay their own separate team (provided all 6 of them survive) and find a new name.
FlippFloppnFlyy2025-12-08 21:21
Dark Avengers, probably.
27Rench272025-12-08 21:29
Honestly I could see whoever’s still alive becoming the Dark Avengers
CaptHayfever2025-12-09 04:24
Yeah, Sam's team is likely gonna have Thor & Black Panther in it, and both of their most recent movies sold a ton of tickets.
cheesums72025-12-08 21:19
I’d love for there to be a trilogy all with asterisks
1. Thunderbolts* *The New Avengers
2. The New* Avengers *Dark
3. The Dark Avengers* *Thunderbolts
MyPeggyTzu2025-12-08 21:28
Really interesting naming convention. Would be very cool. 2 is about th corrupting influence of Val and bad actors on the team, 3 is about them deciding what they really stand for and putting their money where their mouths are, finding out who they've been all along.
Jet-Let46062025-12-08 21:36
The \*.
DarkShadowZX2025-12-08 21:39
That would be crazy. Imagine New* Avengers being the movie where the new team starts slowly getting replaced by villains because Val was kinda forced to comply with their wishes in the first movie so she fights back and slowly replaces team members with "redeemed" villains (like Bullseye for example) until those members entirely usurp the team and the original Thunderbolts are now on their own or on the run because their new lives have been usurped. Bonus points if some of the New Avengers reluctantly betray them to join the Dark Avengers team and hunt them down.
Then in the Dark Avengers*, the on-the-run members are fighting for their lives from the continuous hunts of the Dark Avengers, where they eventually defeat them and prove they are still villains with villainous intent to the rest of the world and so the team gets disbanded and Val gets locked up (bonus points if they can convince the betrayed members to betray their new team and come back to them). And at the end of the movie the original members decide to stay a group by themselves away from government oversight and rebrand themselves the Thunderbolts.
LADYBIRD_HILL2025-12-08 21:42
That sounds neat until people start trying to search for each movie only to get confused as hell. Is Thunderbolts the name of the first movie or the third? Is The New Avengers the official name of the first movie or the second?
Rooooben2025-12-08 21:53
Just like we are still calling the first Thunderbolts, everyone willl call it Thunderbolts: New Avengers, Thunderbolts II: Dark Avengers, Thunderbolts III: ~~Dark Avengers~~ Thunderbolts
badbirch2025-12-09 04:26
I like ThunderBolts III: Thunderbolts! SO GOD DAMN MUCH!
lambopanda2025-12-08 22:03
That sounds like a cool idea. But you just spoiled the titles lol. They need to come up with new titles.
FormerFly2025-12-08 21:51
Im just over here wanting the West Coast Avengers
SquirrelSorry49972025-12-08 21:20
The New AvengerZ
Yellwsub2025-12-08 21:30
Avengerz* or we riot
BeneathAnOrangeSky2025-12-08 21:32
Avengerz
ChipDangerc0ck2025-12-08 22:16
New Avenger2
Jet-Let46062025-12-08 21:14
Should be called New Avengers.
FERFreak7312025-12-08 21:14
Would make me thrilled. Lowkey a 9.5/10 movie for me
crazyguyunderthedesk2025-12-08 21:19
Between TB and then FF, it seems like the beginning of Marvel making a return to form. At least I really hope so, but I feel like greenlighting a sequel to a so so box office will be contingent on the success of Doomsday. If Feige can prove he hasn't lost the audience, it'll give Disney the confidence to let him make more semi risky choices.
Syndana232025-12-08 21:41
Those were both good movies but the issue is neither group are interesting enough to become box office successes on their own. Doomsday will have multiple heroes and so will secret wars so it will be hard to judge since there will be multiple characters that have their own group of fans willing to come see them in theaters. Like if Toby McGuire spider man and Hugh Jackman’s wolverine are in these movies? It will be hard to judge whether enough interest has been made for F4 and TB from the success of those movies since way more high profile heroes are there.
I’d hope the stories of F4 and TB in doomsday/secret wars creates enough fanfare that their sequels will be more successful but honestly Fantastic four have never been that much successful at the box office no matter what actors they have. They have never had great BO numbers **anyway** outside of the first movie that was panned by critics. Making good movies can only go so far if people don’t care.
As for TB?…again the verdict has yet to be decided
This isn’t last decade where even freaking Aquaman and Ms.Marvel were billion dollar hitters with their first movies. GOTG went from an irrelevant group that even a lot of comic fans didn’t know, into a household name. I think those days are long gone
ChemicalExperiment2025-12-08 23:07
I think the return to form is just because they finally slowed down their releases and focused on quality rather than quantity. The Disney+ push is finally over and they're responding to all of the criticism of fatigue.
Kgaset2025-12-08 21:20
Much me. So thrill.
dimesniffer2025-12-08 21:20
Like an 8.5 for me but mainly because I didn’t like some of the casts chemistry, and some of the acting was really bad (mainly from Val, god she was bad). Bucky didn’t seem to have a lot of chemistry with some of the other characters, but Pugh was good with most of them.
27Rench272025-12-08 21:29
Bucky not having chemistry actually kinda worked for me, because his entire thing for most of the movie is “who the fuck are you idiots?”
dimesniffer2025-12-08 21:29
Yeah ig that makes sense, but I feel like he had a lot more chemistry with Sam off the bat. But he knew him for a while before they got close
27Rench272025-12-08 21:30
Also true! Hopefully whatever they end up doing is a homerun
whitebandit2025-12-08 21:36
JLD being the worst part of that movie is so strange lol
dimesniffer2025-12-08 21:54
As in you disagree or it’s just wild?
Her lines were so bad to me, could just be the writing for her as well, or she just doesn’t vibe with the type of character Val is, but the acting for her didn’t feel good either.
wps102025-12-08 21:54
I’m glad it wasn’t just me. I know what a talented and successful actress she is, but the delivery for so many of her lines just felt very out of place. Almost like she didn’t understand the context or the lines were re-recorded and replaced
jmanclovis2025-12-08 21:52
I'm not a super hero movie guy but my kids got me to watch it and I loved it
BambooSound2025-12-08 21:53
People's different definitions of scales make that hard to grasp.
A 9.5 is like, cinema-redefining art (like 2001 or Deep Blue Sea).
I liked Thunderbolts* a lot but I've give it like a 7.
CitizenFiction2025-12-08 23:02
Obviously the guy meant on a personal level, not compared to the *entire history of Cinema*
He literally said "for me"
BambooSound2025-12-08 23:09
I'm not criticising his subjectivity, I'm saying it's a useless unit of measurement without a baseline.
For some people, a 9/10 is "one of my favourites of the year" and for others, it's "of my life".
Jonn_Jonzz_Manhunter2025-12-08 23:27
I loved it. I gave it a 8/10 with the note (the best this boring formula can possibly give us!)
It was very good and it came out during my peak MCU skeptic era
I think at an 8/10 puts it in my top 10 somewhere imo
SkyGuy1822025-12-09 00:07
I love it too, I was genuinely surprised at how fun it was. Just a shame it had so many “prerequisites” to really understand it
silverBruise_322025-12-08 21:14
I think the box office results kind of put the kibosh on that. The audiences have spoken.
And I don't know why he, of all people, is calling for this. What, is he that excited to play fifth fiddle in Black Widow 3? Well, if the money's good, I get it
No_Reference_73302025-12-08 21:20
He says why in his post? And it's very possible we could see another one depending on what happens in the Avengers films. Thunderbolts was a harder sale because many didn't know or care who the characters were as they didn't follow or keep up with some of the other Marvel properties they were introduced in.
silverBruise_322025-12-08 21:26
Because it was fun? Yeah, I read that. It still doesn't make that much sense to me, but it's kind of a reason. This was Marvel's second movies starring Yelena. The audiences also could have seen her in Hawkeye. They know who the characters are. They know enough not to be interested in them. And also, the mutants will be coming soon. Marvel is not about to make sequels to movies that flopped, not when they have hundreds of well-known characters coming their way.
No_Reference_73302025-12-08 21:41
"kind of a reason." Breh. Someone wanting to do something because they enjoy doing it is a reason. And I don't understand what you're implying with your Yelena example? Especially since she's one of the most popular and liked post Endgame characters.
Yes, she was in Hawkeye and Black Widow, but both of those were only available on Disney + which excludes a lot of the Movie Only Audience. Also, she's not the only character on the team. My point was that many of them are from lesser known Marvel properties.
The movie also didn't flop? It wasn't a Box Office hit, but it had a decent theatrical run. Became the number 1 movie on streaming when it hit Disney Plus. And it's one of the most critically acclaimed Marvel Films in general.
I get that you may not like it, but that's not at all the consensus
silverBruise_322025-12-08 21:48
Considering that he didn't seem to have all that much fun making it, it does seem a little strange. What makes her popular? The two movies she starred in flopped (Black Widow was mostly on the studio, though), and the episode of Hawkeye she appeared in had no better ratings than any other episode. Her being popular in fan bubbles does not mean she is, in fact, popular with general audiences.
Black Widow was available in theaters, if briefly. And it was on D+ for long enough to people to get to know her if they want to. She's not the only character, but she's the most important character. So, it's her movie, pretty much.
It failed to make back its budget, and no, it didn't chart as well as you're trying to make it sound. Also, it had bad WOM, and a big drop-off. Good reviews don't mean that much when stacked against that.
That is the consensus here. The general audiences barely know the movie exists.
SirWobblyOfSausage2025-12-08 21:14
The Revengers
wakarat2025-12-08 21:16
Banner might be in it, but he’s undecided.
FX1142025-12-08 21:15
I'm not sure what he wants us to do.
silverBruise_322025-12-08 21:17
Me, neither. The movie was in theaters months ago. It was decided then.
FX1142025-12-08 21:20
I half expected there to be a [change.org](http://change.org) petition or an indigogo link at the end of the article.
silverBruise_322025-12-08 21:23
Honestly, yeah, it does give that impression
Poku1152025-12-08 21:24
I mean acolytes fans did that and even paid for a billboard to try and renew their doomed series.
Not saying thats at all healthy behaviour or suggesting its done, just pointing out what maybe hes refering to, lol
N8CCRG2025-12-08 21:26
Imagine if we just never got any more Thor or Captain America movies simply because Thor 1 and First Avenger only made $180 million domestic at the box office.
silverBruise_322025-12-08 21:28
Those two had much smaller budgets, and it was a different time. Marvel was still building itself up. It wasn't trying to stay afloat. So, no, I don't think they'll be making anything as risky as a sequel to the Thunderbolts in the foreseeable future.
N8CCRG2025-12-08 21:39
It was a different time, but they didn't have much smaller budgets. All were roughly the same, still big budget movies.
Thor - !50M budget, $180M domestic
CA:TFA - $140M budget, $175M domestic
Thunderbolts* - $180M budget, $190M domestic
In fact, adjusting for inflation, Thor and CA have budgets that exceed $200M now (though their sales would also exceed $200M after inflation as well)
But the point is, they're all about the same box office wise. Back then people didn't call for scrapping them just because they had a luke warm box office^* reception, but in the post-Endgame universe that's exactly the expectation.
^* Edit: added box office, because popularity wise, Thunderbolts* was far more successful than Thor or Captain America were at first. Fans and general audience didn't care for them until later projects earned it.
silverBruise_322025-12-08 21:42
They had much smaller marketing budgets. That was the main difference. And, again, they could take more risks then.
After the number of flops they've had, they're not going to waste their money on characters who failed to find an audience.
N8CCRG2025-12-08 21:48
"They had much smaller marketing budgets" citation needed. But if we're gonna move the goalposts about budgets, then we should move the ones about revenue too. The MCU makes way more off of VOD and streaming subscriptions now then those movies ever did. Plus all of the other downstream revenues, that make current box office hobbyist calculations so much less unimportant. (Yes, /r/boxoffice in shambles and could never admit this)
silverBruise_322025-12-08 21:52
Compare the marketing between these two phases, and then do some research into what various publications have been saying about ballooning budgets. Right back at you with the citation. And that's really not true for a movie that didn't make a splash on streaming, either. What downstream revenues? You've got to lay off the copium.
OrangeFilmer2025-12-08 21:19
Think he’s asking us to make it, anyone here have a spare $180 mill lying around?
Elastichedgehog2025-12-08 21:25
I'll check behind the couch two secs
tlynde112025-12-09 01:31
It's been 4 hours, any updates?
got_No_Time_to_BLEED2025-12-09 02:03
Prob found it and realized he was a multimillionaire did what any multimillionaire does tells poors to fuck off!
Elastichedgehog2025-12-09 09:29
I have about $3
legendary_liar2025-12-08 21:28
Let me go check the tariff shelf
IAmNotMyName2025-12-08 21:44
I have some pennies lying around that i have no more use for I guess.
magical_midget2025-12-08 21:44
I will start a bake sale my kids school needs a new roof, but this is more important.
Apprehensive-Care20z2025-12-08 21:51
I could probably stop feeding my middle child, and use the money I save to send it to super wealthy people.
\#America
Baron_Butterfly2025-12-08 23:53
We just need 180 of us with a spare million dollars each.
SeekerVash2025-12-09 00:41
Does anyone have a cuss jar handy?
I'll take it to Christmas dinner, my family is Italian, pretty sure I can get us a 220m budget in one night.
RyFro2025-12-08 21:31
Hit social Media and let Disney know that the fanbase is there.
ShibaVagina2025-12-08 21:39
I watched it in theater and disney. Thats all I got.
EasiestDifficulty2025-12-09 01:17
I upvoted this post, and this comment… now I’m all out of ideas.
SweatyPlace2025-12-09 08:32
And that counts too!
notsure5002025-12-09 04:52
Watch the movie harder
thelazylad2025-12-08 21:15
Sebastian, I’ll be in the movie for free. You don’t have to ask twice
ScaredFamousfan2025-12-08 21:15
Only if Zemo is the villain. And they should add on another couple of characters with powers.
NickCostanza2025-12-08 21:16
I’m with you til the end of the line, pal.
Pristine-Passage-1002025-12-08 21:16
I didn’t like the movie so I won’t help them make another one.
boxed_lunch_venom2025-12-08 21:16
Top 5 MCU movie for me personally. Loved it.
LnStrngr2025-12-08 21:17
I suspect the sequel to Thunderbolts is just going to be Doomsday/Secret Wars fallout with half the team merged in with half of Sam's Avengers in a movie titled something like "The New Avengers."
But I really liked the movie and the characters and how they interacted with each other. I would love to see it again.
PayneTrain1819992025-12-08 21:23
Yeah, there’s going to be deaths and new teams being formed.
solo135082025-12-08 21:19
Thunderbolts/New Avengers deserves a trilogy. First movie was absolutely beautiful.
CaleBoi252025-12-08 21:22
I want more of them for sure!!
rawrberry_2025-12-08 21:23
I will throw in like two dollars to help. As I have helped I also get to be at the primer. See you nerds from there!
BarRegular26842025-12-08 21:23
It was a great movie with a great cast. I’d love to see a sequel. I’m more likely to actually go to a theater for that than doomsday or secret wars.
CulturalDragonfly6312025-12-08 21:23
I would be delighted if they made a sequel.
Elastichedgehog2025-12-08 21:26
Marvel needs to pick a smaller core group of characters and stick with them if they want to build the same kind of interest they received in the 2010s.
Syndana232025-12-08 21:38
I think they’ll do that with the X-men but there’s so many mutants that who knows.
I do think there will be some kind of sequel to the TB considering they will be important in doomsday/secret wars but honestly the days of taking a irrelevant/small group like Guardians of the galaxy and making them blockbuster successes might be over tbh. I don’t see the thunderbolts lasting too long if they don’t find major box office success in their own
Superhero films are still relevant but not what they once were in the 2010s
EtherBoo2025-12-08 23:59
The phases feel so out of whack now. Like nothing fits and has no relation. They're going to call them the New Avengers (and put up a billboard in LA to market it as such), but that's it?
It's all so directionless with no follow through. Imagine if after the first Avengers movie Chris Evans said something similar. This is why the MCU feels so bland after End Game, it's completely adrift.
kulitchipon2025-12-09 03:24
Exactly. It feels like MCU is throwing all these characters to us in the hopes that they'll be a hit in movies, but once they don't net a billion dollars they're like, nope, NEXT!
EtherBoo2025-12-09 03:30
It's a real head scratcher considering how it seemed like Feige knew the overall plot of End Game by the end of the first Avengers movie. We're in Phase 5 already and it seems like they still don't really know where they're going.
CaptHayfever2025-12-09 04:25
> it seemed like Feige knew the overall plot of End Game by the end of the first Avengers
It *seemed* that way, but it actually *wasn't* that way. They did such a good job with callbacks in the later films that it made the earlier films seem much more meticulously planned than they actually were.
BLAGTIER2025-12-09 07:59
> Marvel needs to pick a smaller core group of characters and stick with them if they want to build the same kind of interest they received in the 2010s.
Every year from 2008 till 2019 with the exception of 2009(no MCU movies released) had an appearance of Tony Stark or Steve Rogers. Two main characters anchored the whole franchise. Post Endgame there hasn't been anything like that.
Monday_Vibes2025-12-08 21:27
Yea please, even if it’s just a new avengers film which focuses on the grief of those lost in secret wars.
uncreativemind20992025-12-08 21:28
I don’t want it simply because of the us agent glazing when it came out
jramos0372025-12-08 21:30
Man I had a dream I was rewatching Thunderbolts but the ending was different. They were fighting some strong ass white witch and getting their asses beat until Sentry comes to save the day and witch magic wasn't working on him. Anywho. Looking forward to what they deliver on these upcoming Avenger movies to see if they can do anything for Thunderbolts pt II
Kwilly4622025-12-08 21:33
I just don't see the point
igby12025-12-08 21:34
Does he want us to donate money to Disney?
How are we supposed to help get another movie made?
We aren’t Ryan Reynolds. We can’t just will a movie into existence like he did with Dead Pool.
LeatherJacketMan692025-12-08 21:36
Marvel asking fans for some
Hype for sequels then ignore all fan input while making the movie
Dull_Working50862025-12-08 21:37
Okay but only if the original Thunderbolts show up to fight his Thunderbolts/New Avengers. How Zemo hasn't busted outta prison yet is beyond me.
PowerOfUnoriginality2025-12-08 21:40
I genuinely regret not watching this movie in the cinema. It was super fun, I wouldn't mind a sequel
ernie-jo2025-12-08 21:44
Thunderbolts was so freaking good. A film that made $382 million should not be a flop. Budget's gotta get under control.
Hoak20172025-12-08 21:46
The deal has always been simple: You make a great movie, and we will show up for the sequel. Fingers crossed this is one of the great ones
GrumpyPidgeon2025-12-08 21:49
Mr. Stan, let’s team up but instead of another Thunderbolts, let’s get a Moon Knight Season 2
-BINK2014-2025-12-08 21:54
Thunderbolts, No Way Home, & GotG 3 hit me a hell of a lot harder than expected due to losing my own mom in my hands while performing CPR on her and fighting every day to wonder why I exist.
I feel story beats like that need to be represented more. Is it depressing and not as entertaining as other films in the lineup? Sure but sometimes I feel like the message needs to be heard more. It grounds the characters and uplifts those who can relate to it. It’s why I end up liking Marvel more than DC, being able to relate to the heroes, makes them seem more real & tangible.
xyZora2025-12-08 22:10
Absolutely yes. This was Marvel best film in years (alongside FF). If Marvel want to recover the trust of the fans, they need to trust in their characters and create more films like this, despite the financial risk.
cobaltcrane2025-12-08 22:10
If you’d all just give $0.59 a day, less than the price of a cup of coffee, we could make this grown man’s dream come true, ok?
TARS19862025-12-08 22:17
I’m down - one of my favorites since Endgame!
Tired82812025-12-08 22:19
I liked it just fine, but I feel no need for a sequel. Not everything needs one.
Elegant-Loan-16662025-12-08 22:28
I didn't like it all that much, to be honest.
LaylaLegion2025-12-08 22:35
I’d like a Thunderbolts sequel too but apparently everyone wants Live Action Remakes that undermine the original film’s message.
So no Thunderbolts 2, but enjoy Emperor’s New Groove where Pacha just gives Kuzco his family’s home on the hill for his summer home.
Pupulauls90002025-12-08 22:35
Probably not gonna happen. The director is doing X-Men. I just think Yelena is going to continue being a prominent Avenger. Which, the Avengers themselves are probably going to become less prominent for a while too.
darthyogi2025-12-08 22:47
How do we help? We can’t buy anymore tickets because it!s not in theaters
electrorazor2025-12-08 22:47
Isn't that basically Doomsday
ggkkggk2025-12-08 22:52
Here here
Rua-Yuki2025-12-08 22:56
And everyone trying to convince us that Seb is tired of Bucky lmao that man loves Bucky with his entire heart.
kulitchipon2025-12-09 03:22
Every comment of "No he wants out of MCU" makes me flinch lmao
BartleBossy2025-12-08 23:02
Best MCU movie in *years*.
Genuinely the first one since Endgame that had that infections phase 1 energy.
suss2it2025-12-08 23:05
I’d be down for that. I’d definitely want more Winter Soldier in it tho he’s one of my favourite MCU characters and it felt like he took a big backseat which was disappointing since I feel like that happened to him too in *Falcon and The Winter Soldier*.
silverBruise_322025-12-09 00:12
It's a pattern with him, and it's not going to change now
kulitchipon2025-12-09 03:25
It's so weird that MCU's not taking a risk giving him a lead role given how popular the character is
IAMGooner6992025-12-08 23:06
Thunderbolts should've came out earlier and it's crazy to think Bucky was barely in it, I hope he's way more in the sequel if it happens.
ArcadianBlueRogue2025-12-08 23:44
If they do, I hope it focuses more on the rest of the team. TBs* felt like the Yelena and Friends movie.
Sirius_Space2025-12-08 23:51
It’s was a highlight for the new phase
jtfjtf2025-12-09 00:15
So he's surviving Doomsday?
FLcitizen2025-12-09 00:16
It was such a good movie, but the Marvel fatigue / Disney plus shows ruining the continuity for the average movie goer ruined the potential box office.
deathmouse2025-12-09 00:17
So I’m guessing nobody dies in doomsday then
hear_the_thunder2025-12-09 00:59
Sorry but regardless of the film’s quality its about box office. The box office while not a failure was pretty mid.
I want all sorts of movies but box office dictates.
esar242025-12-09 01:22
I'll help ya, now whose bone should I break to make this happen?
flame2bits2025-12-09 01:24
They should make a no nonsense spy thriller called "The Winter Soldier. "
trevmustdie2025-12-09 01:36
This amuses me because Sebastian stans performance in the movie was like he couldnt give less of a fuck being there. Very phoned in by the actor and writers. Sad, because hes an OG and should be respected more than just being given a lame action scene, and a haha funny scene by putting his arm in the dishwasher
silverBruise_322025-12-09 08:23
I think he just did what the script told him to do ... which wasn't much. The interviews were where he seemed to be wildly disinterested. He absolutely should have gotten more, but they wanted more Yelena. After 15 years in the MCU, nobody would find that stimulating.
So yeah, this is kind of surprising.
cambosteve2025-12-09 01:39
I liked Thunderbolts for what it was. I just don’t see this happening since the movie really didn’t make that much money in the box office. Also I firmly believe after Doomsday/Secret Wars Marvel is going to go all in with an X-Men reboot and their characters
Mooseguncle12025-12-09 01:47
Dark Reign would be cool to see but I need them to earn the original Thunderbolts name and go up against or get led by Baron Zemo and get introduced to Songbird and Meteorite.
Bucks21742025-12-09 01:52
Actor wants another job that pays him millions of dollars! News at 11!
Terrible_Wind56622025-12-09 03:23
Bucky better not die
arian_ezequiel2025-12-09 03:43
Breaking news: actor who gets paid to act in movies would like to get paid to act in more movies. Now to the weather report
Wooden-Radish-90082025-12-09 03:51
Stream the fuck out of this boys and girls
BangingBaguette2025-12-09 13:18
I think we'd genuinely get a great sequel if Marvel realised not every movie needs to be a 180mil+ production.
Actors fees aside you could make a super cool Thunderbolts movie for like 50mil. None of the characters outside of Sentry really have powers that you can't translate well on a lower budget, and the nature of the story and characters lends itself better to something far more small scale.
I mean if Gareth Edwards can make a movie like The Creator which is loaded top-to-bottom with photo-realistic effects for 80mil I don't see why Marvel couldn't do the same with a Thunderbolts movie.
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gaypirate32025-12-09 19:12
Sebastian was barely in it lmao. Does he prefer only having to do like 3 scenes?
silverBruise_322025-12-11 22:23
I don't get it, either. What would he even do in the sequel? Get two more quips? Learn to laugh about his past?
Of all the people who might be pulling for this, him being the one to advocate for this is ... a little baffling, to be honest
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>"We just had a lot of fun because it was a great group of people, and everybody was very funny. David Harbour \[and\] Wyatt Russell \[are very funny\] and Florence Pugh \[is\] really very talented. It was just a good time. If you guys like the movie, help us make another one."
The movies are as bad as the comics now. No death is sacred.
Boring. That's exactly what they did with Loki in Infinity War.
And if they really want to do it without variants or recons, they can always do pull a Black Widow and set it before any inconvenient death.
It was already like my favorite marvel film of Phase 4 and 5, but if the actors really enjoyed the production and the end result then I really hope they get to make another one. It had its failings, but it was the first film of 4&5 that felt like it really got to say what it wanted to say and got to have good action and comic relief on top of that.
I genuinely hope the New Avengers get to have another film together and hopefully they give them the ability to really act as the New Avengers and face an interesting threat.
1. Thunderbolts* *The New Avengers
2. The New* Avengers *Dark
3. The Dark Avengers* *Thunderbolts
Then in the Dark Avengers*, the on-the-run members are fighting for their lives from the continuous hunts of the Dark Avengers, where they eventually defeat them and prove they are still villains with villainous intent to the rest of the world and so the team gets disbanded and Val gets locked up (bonus points if they can convince the betrayed members to betray their new team and come back to them). And at the end of the movie the original members decide to stay a group by themselves away from government oversight and rebrand themselves the Thunderbolts.
I’d hope the stories of F4 and TB in doomsday/secret wars creates enough fanfare that their sequels will be more successful but honestly Fantastic four have never been that much successful at the box office no matter what actors they have. They have never had great BO numbers **anyway** outside of the first movie that was panned by critics. Making good movies can only go so far if people don’t care.
As for TB?…again the verdict has yet to be decided
This isn’t last decade where even freaking Aquaman and Ms.Marvel were billion dollar hitters with their first movies. GOTG went from an irrelevant group that even a lot of comic fans didn’t know, into a household name. I think those days are long gone
Her lines were so bad to me, could just be the writing for her as well, or she just doesn’t vibe with the type of character Val is, but the acting for her didn’t feel good either.
A 9.5 is like, cinema-redefining art (like 2001 or Deep Blue Sea).
I liked Thunderbolts* a lot but I've give it like a 7.
He literally said "for me"
For some people, a 9/10 is "one of my favourites of the year" and for others, it's "of my life".
It was very good and it came out during my peak MCU skeptic era
I think at an 8/10 puts it in my top 10 somewhere imo
And I don't know why he, of all people, is calling for this. What, is he that excited to play fifth fiddle in Black Widow 3? Well, if the money's good, I get it
Yes, she was in Hawkeye and Black Widow, but both of those were only available on Disney + which excludes a lot of the Movie Only Audience. Also, she's not the only character on the team. My point was that many of them are from lesser known Marvel properties.
The movie also didn't flop? It wasn't a Box Office hit, but it had a decent theatrical run. Became the number 1 movie on streaming when it hit Disney Plus. And it's one of the most critically acclaimed Marvel Films in general.
I get that you may not like it, but that's not at all the consensus
Black Widow was available in theaters, if briefly. And it was on D+ for long enough to people to get to know her if they want to. She's not the only character, but she's the most important character. So, it's her movie, pretty much.
It failed to make back its budget, and no, it didn't chart as well as you're trying to make it sound. Also, it had bad WOM, and a big drop-off. Good reviews don't mean that much when stacked against that.
That is the consensus here. The general audiences barely know the movie exists.
Not saying thats at all healthy behaviour or suggesting its done, just pointing out what maybe hes refering to, lol
Thor - !50M budget, $180M domestic
CA:TFA - $140M budget, $175M domestic
Thunderbolts* - $180M budget, $190M domestic
In fact, adjusting for inflation, Thor and CA have budgets that exceed $200M now (though their sales would also exceed $200M after inflation as well)
But the point is, they're all about the same box office wise. Back then people didn't call for scrapping them just because they had a luke warm box office^* reception, but in the post-Endgame universe that's exactly the expectation.
^* Edit: added box office, because popularity wise, Thunderbolts* was far more successful than Thor or Captain America were at first. Fans and general audience didn't care for them until later projects earned it.
After the number of flops they've had, they're not going to waste their money on characters who failed to find an audience.
\#America
I'll take it to Christmas dinner, my family is Italian, pretty sure I can get us a 220m budget in one night.
But I really liked the movie and the characters and how they interacted with each other. I would love to see it again.
I do think there will be some kind of sequel to the TB considering they will be important in doomsday/secret wars but honestly the days of taking a irrelevant/small group like Guardians of the galaxy and making them blockbuster successes might be over tbh. I don’t see the thunderbolts lasting too long if they don’t find major box office success in their own
Superhero films are still relevant but not what they once were in the 2010s
It's all so directionless with no follow through. Imagine if after the first Avengers movie Chris Evans said something similar. This is why the MCU feels so bland after End Game, it's completely adrift.
It *seemed* that way, but it actually *wasn't* that way. They did such a good job with callbacks in the later films that it made the earlier films seem much more meticulously planned than they actually were.
Every year from 2008 till 2019 with the exception of 2009(no MCU movies released) had an appearance of Tony Stark or Steve Rogers. Two main characters anchored the whole franchise. Post Endgame there hasn't been anything like that.
How are we supposed to help get another movie made?
We aren’t Ryan Reynolds. We can’t just will a movie into existence like he did with Dead Pool.
Hype for sequels then ignore all fan input while making the movie
I feel story beats like that need to be represented more. Is it depressing and not as entertaining as other films in the lineup? Sure but sometimes I feel like the message needs to be heard more. It grounds the characters and uplifts those who can relate to it. It’s why I end up liking Marvel more than DC, being able to relate to the heroes, makes them seem more real & tangible.
So no Thunderbolts 2, but enjoy Emperor’s New Groove where Pacha just gives Kuzco his family’s home on the hill for his summer home.
Genuinely the first one since Endgame that had that infections phase 1 energy.
I want all sorts of movies but box office dictates.
So yeah, this is kind of surprising.
Actors fees aside you could make a super cool Thunderbolts movie for like 50mil. None of the characters outside of Sentry really have powers that you can't translate well on a lower budget, and the nature of the story and characters lends itself better to something far more small scale.
I mean if Gareth Edwards can make a movie like The Creator which is loaded top-to-bottom with photo-realistic effects for 80mil I don't see why Marvel couldn't do the same with a Thunderbolts movie.
Of all the people who might be pulling for this, him being the one to advocate for this is ... a little baffling, to be honest