What are everyone's thoughts on Ironheart?
I honestly thought it was pretty good. I wouldn't rank it as one of the best of the things MCU has done recently, but it definitely was entertaining. Seeing Riri's past and her new suit in action, The Hood, and you know who at the end, it overall was pretty good and had a decent storyline to me.
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Hated the ending though because it's probably never getting resolved.
But they honestly took it in a really cool and interesting direction. Would love to see more.
Otherwise I thought it was okay, not especially memorable but I was surprised that it ended up having such deep magical/mystical elements.
And personally, a threat like mephisto should be introduced on a big screen movie with a 1st or 2nd class hero. They didnt learn anything from quantumania
* Her suit is solar/wind powered...except we bypass the fact that either she'd have to carry 2,000 pounds of batteries for that to work or she'd be a statue at night with no breeze and suffocate in 5 minutes.
* She's a phenomenal genius...who turns to a life of crime instead of patenting and selling a solar/wind generator capable of fully powering a couple city blocks and massively reducing worldwide pollution, or getting investors for her plan, or even crowdfunding. There's a ton of alternatives that a genius would be able to think of.
* For some reason, the United States government is fine with someone committing crimes in an Ironman suit. The second episode should've been "And then the Generals order War Machine to intercept and eliminate the *criminal* wreaking havoc in an armed Ironman suit"
* Then of course, we are meant to believe she's doing this all to prevent the recurrence of what happened to her father/friend. So a genius's grand plan to prevent criminals from murdering people is to become a criminal and murder someone?
* It's also rather bizarre that War Machine, Banner, Pepper (Rescue), Dr. Strange, Spiderman, Fury, or Sam doesn't feel a need to investigate a criminal who killed someone flying around in an Ironman suit. Realistically, that'd be pretty top-priority.
* IMO, it's also passively racist to write a story where a black female genius just ends up becoming a criminal anyways instead of telling us a story where she faces adversity and overcomes it through her talent.
Overall I thought it was a show worth watching, but some of the writing was preposterous!
I will admit I didn’t finish it. There were too many logic problems or decisions made that were clearly more plot based than character based.
(Obviously just my personal opinion)
Listening to a lot of Vince Gilligan interviews lately because I’m watching Pluribus. He talks about that a lot. If he does have a plot thing he is set on then he goes back and makes sure it feels justified. If it’s out of character for the character then he devises a scenario where that character is forced into that path.
But I felt like N.A.T.A.L.I.E. was a problem. Every bit of her advice kept leading Riri astray; all of the big screw-ups resulted from Riri following her constant calls to "follow her heart" and "do the right thing."
The supernatural elements were fun, too.
And I love anything that shows love to Chicago.
Terrible overall.
i only watch it cuz i didn’t wanna miss any plots that may lead to doomsday. overall, glad i did watch it, mephisto did show up.
Early episodes felt tough go get through, with the humor not landing for me and riri's attitude about Stark being a turn off.
Some of the stuff with the gang was hard to take seriously, like they were characters in a low budget show made for teens who want to feel badass.
Cool to finally get mephisto in the mcu after the theories surrounding wandavision
It has intriguing implications and could allow marvel to go in a very much so needed new direction, which we may be getting more of with Doomsday.
7/10 sorta deal, definitely like to see more. And hope that it doesn't fizzle out and leave everyone hanging.
In other threads that mention this show, I've said that Riri seems to have become basically a villain at this point, and I have gotten downvoted for saying that. But in what sense can she be considered a hero? Throughout the six episodes, she repeatedly lied, cheated, stole, destroyed valuable property, betrayed people who cared about her, and even let people die when she could have saved them.
And it wasn't in service of some greater good... it was all for the goal of building *her personal* Ironman suit. Yes, I know supposedly she wants to use the suit to stop crime or whatever, yadda yadda, but if that's *truly* her goal, then she would work with other people on the big picture of "improving tech for first responders," not just lie and cheat and steal for six episodes straight.
There was *also* her not wanting to be part of a team, though. People in this thread are talking about Riri not learning her lesson, but she actually *did* learn that one, opening up to her family & friends for help at the end. The tragedy (& that's what I consider this show, not a villain story like people keep repeating, but a Greek tragedy) was that she needed to learn *2* lessons, the other being not to overestimate her own cleverness, & that's the one that bit her in the butt at the end.
Pluses:
\+ Dominique Thorne, who portrays Riri seamlessly.
\+ Regan Aliyah, whose Zelma Stanton (a young witch) is one of my favorite new MCU characters.
\+ The Chicago setting, which was a fresh and interesting backdrop for an MCU story.
Minuses:
\- The writing. Much of the plot made no sense (both emotionally and logistically). Don't get me started.
\- The timing and connectivity. This show felt long overdue, and I worry its plot points will never pay off.
A gangsters ropes in Riri for her skills and she gets in over her head.
How does that no make sense?
a 6-7 out of 10.
the angle was fresh, though it felt a little dry. it's telling that Riri's hologram friend was written and performed to be more charismatic and loveable than Riri, herself.
the heist mid-season was the highlight of the show as it blended multiple goals to raise the tension well.
the ending was rushed and felt cut short in a disappointing - NEVER TO BE RESOLVED kind of way.
would love for this show to have released alongside the 2024/2025 projects as it's very "phase 4"
but yeah, overall the fact the MCU has gone so quiet really puts a dampener on All of it's projects.
4/10 project.