Are there too many Disney+ shows for the MCU?
So ever since early 2021, there has been over a dozen new TV shows dedicated to the MCU on Disney+.
But at this point, I honestly feel like there's just too many of them. Some of which, I feel like we've ask ourselves did they really need to make that, or did they make it just for the sake of it.
Yes, we've had some pretty good ones such as MoonNight, Born Again, and ofc the 2 seasons of Loki. But than we also had some that are either let downs like Secret Invasion & She Hulk, or those who we probably won't see again anytime soon in the MCU'd future.
But I think the biggest problem is how we'd need to watch alot of these shows, just to understand where the next big screen. Like as great as Thunderbolts* was, you wouldn't understand what's going on as long as you watched at least The Falcon and The Winter Soldier & Hawkeye, which isn't that good. I missed it when it was easier to catch up on the MCU, re-watching like 3 to 4 movies rather than watching 3 to 4 shows with 8+ episodes each.
Kinda a reason why I loved First Steps so much, cause while it's part of the MCU Multiverse, since it's in own world, you don't need to recap on anything to watch it, which felt like a breath of fresh air.
Anyway, I'd love to hear what everyone thinks on the topic. Comment down below, and let me know.
But at this point, I honestly feel like there's just too many of them. Some of which, I feel like we've ask ourselves did they really need to make that, or did they make it just for the sake of it.
Yes, we've had some pretty good ones such as MoonNight, Born Again, and ofc the 2 seasons of Loki. But than we also had some that are either let downs like Secret Invasion & She Hulk, or those who we probably won't see again anytime soon in the MCU'd future.
But I think the biggest problem is how we'd need to watch alot of these shows, just to understand where the next big screen. Like as great as Thunderbolts* was, you wouldn't understand what's going on as long as you watched at least The Falcon and The Winter Soldier & Hawkeye, which isn't that good. I missed it when it was easier to catch up on the MCU, re-watching like 3 to 4 movies rather than watching 3 to 4 shows with 8+ episodes each.
Kinda a reason why I loved First Steps so much, cause while it's part of the MCU Multiverse, since it's in own world, you don't need to recap on anything to watch it, which felt like a breath of fresh air.
Anyway, I'd love to hear what everyone thinks on the topic. Comment down below, and let me know.
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Wandavision, Agatha, X-Men 97, Loki, Ms Marvel, Spider-Man, Hawkeye, and Ironheart are all good or even great
Daredevil had a bit of a rough landing but is good anyway, Falcon and the Winter Soldier stumbles with some broader writing stuff, She Hulk needed more time for CG, and Echo was a bit boring.
Where's the bad?
I am wondering how many shows people watch per year.
But I wouldn't go out of my way to recommend those to anyone. Not like people are talking about those shows in the office or in social circles.
"I want more Marvel stuff that's canon!"
Ok, here's a show.
"I don't want it. Give me movie."
Ok here's a movie
"I never got around to going. When will it be on Disney+?"
In a month or two. There are shows you can watch in the meantime
"I don't want it. Give me movie."
When even Feige references the homework issue, you know it's a real thing. Talk like a real person and address what's being said, nobody wants to read your shitty "play".
> Because of this, per The Wall Street Journal, Feige recently told his colleague that “watching all the comic-book giant’s new TV shows and films had started to feel more like homework than entertainment.”
> The article continues, “The problem, Kevin Feige acknowledged, is that in an effort to satisfy parent company Disney’s hunger for content on its new streaming service, the studio behind The Avengers churned out too many movies and shows with interconnected stories. The deluge of material from the Marvel Cinematic Universe, or MCU, on Disney+ overwhelmed and eventually alienated viewers. It also stretched Feige and his team’s resources thin, diluting the quality of their output. Marvel’s box-office sales, streaming popularity, and formerly untouchable position in pop culture suffered.”
This board gives a skewed perspective because it’s populated by Marvel superfans, but most people have other things they could be (and increasingly are) spending their time and money on, as recent box office numbers would indicate.
But Dr strange 2 didn't make much sense without Wanda vision, the marvels had the same issue without Ms Marvel. Needing to watch a show to get into a movie is where marvel is failing. And I liked those shows, it's just not the right way to support movie format.
I'm sure if these shows had huge ratings, we would get more. Especially because D+ desperately needs hits.
It will be interesting to see what their actual strategy is. We haven't really gotten anything new. Vision Quest has been in development for a while.
I'm sure after Secret Wars, things will change. I don't think any of their current or previous strategies worked.
I don't understand how people are still saying this. The movies don't even require watching the previous movies any more. All of the shows are entirely, and very clearly, optional. The first and last show that was *required* viewing was WandaVision being required for Multiverse of Madness.
Watch the shows you want to watch, skip the ones you don't.
They did an entire Super Bowl spot dedicated to showing that people from the movies like Falcon and Scarlet Witch would be continuing their adventures on Disney+. If audiences now have the expectation that they need to be following the shows to understand the movies, it’s Marvel’s own fault.
But there's relationship that audiences have with shows and charactres where they would want to get the complete story versus jumping in after. People don't often skip a 1st season and start with the 2nd.
So in this case, you have characters being introduced first in shows (Ms Marvel) then they are in the movies. Audiences don't like that.
Marvel has to define the relationship between the shows and movies, and it hasn't or didn't do that. Do shows impact the movies? Yes, sometimes, audiences have to figure it out.
The ideal situation is that shows have NO impact on the movies. Movie characters aren't introduced in tv shows. Major stories impacting movie characters aren't done in the shows.
WandaVision is the most connected by setting up Multiverse of Madness, then F&TWS and Ms Marvel by being somewhat related to Brave New World and The Marvels, but everything else is so self-contained that it feels antithetical to the shared universe, and when you have characters they people enjoy but aren’t getting their time with other beloved characters, it makes the whole thing feel like pointless addendums rather than notable chapters in the MCU story
Do general audiences think that Wonder Man is gonna be in the next MCU movie? They would have no idea.
If they make rush jobs, poorly written scripts, stories that break more like one long extended movie separated into 6 epsiodes, and stories that require watching the films or vice versa, than it's a disaster zone.
It's really not that hard. make a quality show with a showrunner with a strong pointof view, commit money to a good writers room and make good tv. If the show is good enough and the character(s) merit it, plan for a multi season run
The relationship between the shows and movies is a major problem. Audiences don't know what to think. This is the "required" arguement. Ultimately, shows can't impact the movies.
But more importantly, I think the format of the shows is wrong. Marvel tried to do the "premium" tv format. 6 to 10 episodes, between 30 and 50 minutes. This format doesn't work because of the uniqueness of the MCU. No other franchise is doing tv shows and movies at the same time in this way.
Instead, quality over quantity. They need less episodes, and less run time for the shows. 4 episodes, either 3 or 4 hours runtime, by default for characters. Less is more. Tell really concentrated stories and don't drag things on. If a series works, give it another season. Quick and efficient.