Re-Release of Endgame prior to Doomsday - Did Cap create Doom?
I think most of us saw that article about Marvel re-releasing Endgame prior to Doomsday, so do you think Doomsday ties into Endgame? Did Cap create Doom when he stayed in the past? Did he save one or both of Stark's parents and that change somehow turned RDJ into Doom? Maybe without becoming Iron Man, Obidiah did some shenanigans that contributed?
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Anything they do in the past creates a branched timeline. Steve staying in the past creates a new branch where he is around in the 40s, It doesn’t effect the main timeline where he is in the ice
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ETA: Changing the narrative of leading to Doom. Not a new random sequence
This video explains everything
https://youtu.be/OEaIoQY14TY?si=8tMnA9I53Wek_0yS
Cap tried to change very specific things, and avoid too much of a butterfly effect.
We also see the 50s/60s when Tony goes back and meets his dad. It is very much our 60s, not the sci-fi retro future 60s feel of F4.
He got his happy ending, under weird circumstances, sure, but it was deserved and making that a starting point for the next apocalyptic threat would take away from his character
Cause yeah I am guessing that Cap going back in time created an Incursion that Killed Doom's Family which is eerily similar to Kang's Motivation in the Avengers EMH Cartoon.
My theory is that Steve didn’t return the stones at all because he had nowhere to return them to. despite Banner’s theory of how to use science to prevent what the ancient one said would happen, time still passes, like soundwaves of a falling tree will still travel through an unobserved forest, and the TVA could be in that mf forest at a moments notice to prune those branches. meanwhile the Avengers, returning from the time heist spent the next several hours fighting thanos’ army, maybe a day sourcing appropriate attire for Tony’s funeral and departing for their next adventures before he sets foot on that platform to “return the stones.” What happens when he tries to use the quantum realm to go to a place that…simply doesn’t exist anymore? Does he say eff it and just go live with Peggy? Did he see the void? Have an encounter with Doom?
Tony warned him specifically when he was helping him out of the rubble after avengers compound exploded, “you mess with time it tends to mess back, *you’ll see*.”
However, this Loki variant escaping avengers tower with the tesseract and being apprehended in the gobi desert and subsequently deputized by the TVA to hunt for Sylvie is precisely the kind of thing that they couldn’t predict and hadn’t happened in any previous iteration of the TVA in the course of their maintenance of sacred timeline.
It’s an aberration that set in motion the sequence of events that broke the universe free from He Who Remains’ control and thus allowed the 616 to both be accessible to people from other universes, however inadvertently or unintentionally, and for people from 616 to do the same.
loki season 1 starts during the time heist. on a parallel track, even through just the end of the battle for earth in endgame, the places that Steve ought to go return the stones to in the time after the battle are likely plain inaccessible, as TVA pruning hasn't stopped...*yet*.
in the first episode as they leave with loki and the tesseract we see the agents drop a reset charge on the 2012 branch. ant man and hulk leaving with the scepter and time stone is allowed to happen, steve and tony heading to 1970 is allowed to happen (though that wrinkle is probably not ideal or accounted for by the TVA, the outcome itself is fine, they return to 2023 with a tesseract and more pym particles), the gobi desert is far from new york, but the impression they left while in 2012 (and in 2014 on morag & vormir, and in 2013 on asgard) is all sent to the void, rolled back to the point where it is exactly how things played out to remain woven into the sacred timeline.
How on Earth could anyone outside Marvel Studios know this?
Also, even if it “starts” right after endgame… what does that even mean? In an MCU of multiverses, I imagine we’d probably see more than one universe and they’re not at the same “present” if you will. Just something to think about. Either way, fun to see what people are already latching onto and believing with literally 0% factual plot info out there right now.
Let’s wait for the trailer in 2 weeks and speculate from there.
If you look hard enough, you can find the plot, and read about different scenes and action set pieces, and twists, and just about anything and everything to do with a popular movies (and shows) before they release. I used to be really into spoiler stuff like that, and would often read all about the big movies before they came out. But I realized that it was actually sapping my enjoyment of those events by doing so, And as a result, I no longer seek out that information. But it's out there.
He should be Victor Von Doom.
>Banner and the Ancient One discuss it further in the movie as well. They didn’t use the term branch because the studio hadn’t invented it yet. Regardless, it’s very clear that they aren’t actually travelling to the past based on Hulk’s explanation.
They are. It's time travel. Based on Hulk's explanation, they are simply not changing the past. Ancient one's explanation is completely irrelevant here as it supports the interpretation of the writers, which is no longer compatible since the release of Loki & gotg3.
>Rewatch Hulk’s explanation again for why they can’t just kill baby Thanos.
There is a massive difference between killing baby thanos & cap simply living his life in the past not giving a f about the world. & Again, he never says anything about branching. Period.
>They’re creating a new timeline/branch every time they “time travel”. They’re travelling across timelines, not their own.
Again, it's time travel, not multiverse travel. They are not travelling across timelines. They are traveling to their past & from there, they are either creating branches or loops. The past cannot be changed by either of these.
"I didn't! I-"
Peggy: How 'bout a dance, mister?
Steve: Peggy! Oh, man, are you a sight for sore eyes; let me look at you.
Peggy: Steve, you're acting like you haven't seen me in a century.
Steve: I haven't.
Peggy: Steve, is everything okay? Is everything gonna be all right?
Steve: Oh, yeah. Everything's great [as they are about to kiss, Bruce Banner appears].
Bruce: Cap! You've gotta come back with me!
Steve: Where?
Bruce: Back to the future.
[Bruce inserts Pym particles into suit]
Steve: Whoa, wait a minute, what are you doin’, Bruce?
Bruce: I need fuel. Quick. Go ahead, quick. Put on the suit!
Steve: No, no, no, no, no, no, Bruce. I just got here, Peggy just got here, we're gonna have our dance.
Bruce: Well, bring her along. This concerns her too.
Steve: Whoa, wait a minute, Bruce. What are you talkin’ about? What happens to us in the future? What, do we become assholes or somethin’?
Bruce: No, no, no, no, no, Cap. Both you and Peggy turn out fine. It's an alternate Tony, Cap. Something’s gotta be done about this alternate Tony!
You're a god among insects.
what's he doing on the moon presently
So doom is definitely Doctor doom and not stark they have been clear about that. I still think it will be technically a stark variant as in the comics stark was adopted so I'm some world other than our own he is adopted by Doom or his parents live in a strange world where he is just named doctor doom.