What’s a hot take or a firm criticism you have for a BELOVED mcu film?
* I think civil war should’ve been a saga, not just a film. Sure the accords had a long affect on the mcu but I’m talking about the actual conflict itself, especially for street level characters too. Like similar with kingpin with his vigilante act, I would’ve loved to see that side of CW too. If not a saga, at the very least an avengers film to show a nuance take on both sides not just cap’s side cuz it’s his movie. Just how it was an intro for Spiderman and BP, it could’ve been the same for SO many other characters, both heroes and villains.
*NWH would’ve been better as a 2-part movie. It’s a fun movie but so much of the story is rushed, a 2-part movie would not only be more fun for us, but also gives the story a good pace.
*NWH would’ve been better as a 2-part movie. It’s a fun movie but so much of the story is rushed, a 2-part movie would not only be more fun for us, but also gives the story a good pace.
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Honestly could not disagree more. If anything, I would say there was barely enough story for one film - let alone two.
And the same for civil war, though the accountability should’ve been more on him, he was right on the fact that superheroes do need to be put in check, every movie after civil war proves his point on that (Wanda invading a town and going in a killing spree, Peter and strange putting a spell on the whole world, Hawkeye turning into a serial killer, ant man letting his teenage daughter play with tech that almost led to Kang escaping, etc) in the real world yes it’d be fascism but in the mcu where there’s gods and aliens and super advanced tech, his beliefs isn’t wrong, he just went about it in the wrong way in my opinion.
As for what you mentioned, the situation with Spiderman was caused by Tony: he gave EDITH to Peter in the first place. The Accords should have prevented Tony even making EDITH but he didn't think they applied to him. Clint was a mass murderer for the government/SHIELD before the Accords. We saw how they weaponized Bucky and Ava, so they would have made Wanda and Clint weapons as well. Tony was going to allow the goverment to do all that again: so no. He wasn't right.
Unless you believe allowing the goverment to make enhanced people into weapons was an acceptable price to pay for "security" and "safety". In which case, we must also say HYDRA and Peirce were right. After all they were just trying to "protect the world" as well. And Ultron was right.
People get sad and/guilty, but heroes rise above that to do good. They don't abdicate their responsibility to corrupt bureaucrats.
Civil war - Idts. Heroes did literally vaporize sokovia and left new York in the dust. So accountability was needed. Sure the accords were a bit crazy, but still, it made sense to me at least
It’s the exact same argument Hydra and Loki make earlier, and nobody acknowledges it. So, Tony sees a space god come down and belittle humanities desire for freedom, and then later he says “whether it impacts our ‘precious freedoms’ or not” without an ounce of irony
Even Steve doesn’t really mention that he’s saying the same thing as Red Skull/Hydra
I like Paul Rudd as Antman and some of the actions sences are cool but that's it.
All of them are 5/10
Don't get me wrong, it's one of my favourite MCU films but it would have made more sense as an ensemble movie.
Don’t get me wrong, it was also a big part of Tony’s arc, but
A: all Avenger films apart from GOTG featured Tony Stark at this point and
B: Tonally and plot-wise, it was a Captain America style film.
Admittedly by that latter logic Endgame was an Ant Man film, but I do personally hold that that was more of an Ant Man film than Quantumania because the former was a heist film.
Why wouldn't he just say a real Einstein? Cap would know Einstein and no one says a real Stephen hawking
Instead, have the various female characters organically find themselves collaborating at different moments, giving them small character beats like Nebula admiring Valkyrie's combat prowess, or two of them improvising a cool battle move. Once they've been individually established, *then* you can have the big splash panel tableau, as a promise to do better with their female characters.
My other one, also Endgame-related: when everything is quiet, and Steve kinda takes a breath, squares up, and slowly walks forward to confront Thanos, he really should have said, "Thanos the Titan... good evening. As a duly designated representative of the City, County and State of New York, I order you to cease any and all genocidal activity and return forthwith to your planet of origin or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension." And then Tony standing behind him says, "That oughta do it. Thanks very much, Steve."
Really a wasted opportunity that they didn't do that.
Having them all backing up somebody who just flew *through* the bad guy's giant space ship kinda sucked.
Putting them altogether in one of the obligatory comic book frame shots was par for the course.
Her answer? The girl power moment.
I will never shit on that moment because it's still one of her favorite feel good scenes ever.
That moment wasn't for us dudes. It was for the little girls, man. The merch after the release had that on so maybe kid shirts
It's for her, and she loved it, so it's alright in my books.
2. On that Note, if we're really need a Lex Luthor Wannabee it should have been Justin Hammer instead of Stane in the first Iron Man Film and he should have been the overall Big Bad for the Iron Man films Trilogy.
I just posted something similar.
It was supposed to be this tragic epic breaking up of our heroes.
But every other line was a joke. It lacked creativity. Lacked cinematography. Lacked good dialogue.
Just lacking
That’s one thing that I’ll even say BVS did better. Told us how people were feeling about heroes. The MCU early does that, but I think in something like Civil War, it’s important.
The action in Infinity War and Endgame is really bland and for some reason the battles are always in boring plain fields, the black order attacks New York and the city is empty because having heroes saving people would be too cool in guess, they attack Wanda and Vision on the street and its completely empty and then they go to an empty train station, the battle of Wakanda is an empty park next to the city, they go to space and they fight in an empty dessert, the final battle in Endgame is literally in a plain field of dirt
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*plain
Except the Marvels. I've watched that like 6 times now and love it. But since the topic is asking for a criticism, I'll give one specific one for it that bugs me.
One of the biggest problems with Captain Marvel is that she is ridiculously overpowered. The movie did two things right. Having them entangled was a great way to bring them together and restrict Carol's powers. More importantly, they showed the PROBLEM with being so powerful via flashback, and how she became "The Annihilator". Sometimes you can't punch your way out of trouble and actions have consequences. Destroying the big bad in charge and throwing a planet into chaos is hardly heroic and how do you FIX that after it is done when the people HATE you?
Oh I know, just show a 10 second clip at the end as you make everything better through insane power levels. I'd have maybe it given it more of a pass if she got Miss Marvel to help. Or, better yet, if all 3 of them had been able to tackle the problem together.
I don’t want to hear the crap about standing your ground and standing by your truth, he’s a grown goddam man and knows he’s just being annoying for the sake of it.
It’s for that reason I’m on Tony’s side in civil war
Also, I thought it would have been cool for Tobey to be a dad. It would have made his position as an old sage a little more interesting.
There was a lot they could have done with them that could have led to more fun or interesting banter. I love what we got - it's just a fun little "if I were making it".
Last thing - a conversation about who Tony was in the other universes might have been fun too. In Garfield's I imagine him being a telecom guru who sells to Oscorp for a fortune and then buggers off on a boat to be a Howard Hughes type. In Tobey's, he remembers seeing an AC/DC cover band whose front man was a Tony Stark and the band was called Iron Men.
G: "How old are you?"
T: "A lady never tells."
G: "Because I'm 32."
T: "Whew, now a lady *really* never tells."
H: "I'm 19."
T: "Ohhhh-kay. I want to go home."
Thank you.
As for L&T, the only serious moment NOT subverted by a joke is the beginning sequence, which is also by far the best part of the movie. Even Jane's death is just a reference to a running gag. Impossible to take this movie seriously despite its heavy themes. And tbh that's subjective but the jokes aren't even that funny.
Taika said most of Ragnarok was improvised, but if you look at the script by Kyle & Yost, a ton of the jokes were actually in it (not all, but way, way more than 20%). L&T does feel like a movie that's 80% improvised though.
Criticism of a beloved MCU film: NOBODY NOTICED PETER LEAVING THE BUS? REALLY?! I get they were all looking at the ship, but I've been on school busses and there's simply no way he opens a window without making a racket and no way someone doesn't catch movement out of the corner of their eye. And there's also the fact that he leaves the bus with no mask on, puts it on as he's hanging onto the bus WITH CARS CLEARLY IN VIEW, so while those drivers won't know it's Peter Parker, they know Spider-Man is a teenager now for sure! Only the fact that half the world vanishes a few hours later makes it not matter.
Hardly a hot take come on
As for the second part, suspension of disbelief of the logistics like that are just a part of the genre. It was smart to mostly avoid secret identities because they are just not reasonable to maintain in an emergency situation if the audience really takes time to think about it.
Some of the shows/movies that explored the fallout of *Endgane* were more interesting. *TFATWS* and how bringing everyone back caused almost as many problems as it solved. Spider-Man and Yelena’s arcs showing us characters grieving loved ones who just aren’t coming back. But the movie itself was too big, too long, too noisy, and mostly to me seemed to be more of an effort to clamp off characters and plot lines that the studio and the specific actors wanted to be done with
The opening is wack - why not choose a mission with Rhodes and Vision involved? See how they have all become close friends and a respected team just before they break up
The plot is weak.
The airport scene was supposed to be tragic - yet it was full of quips and jokes. Nothing that creative was even done outside Ant Man / Hawkeye, which they took from the comics, but it was great to see on screen!
The Accords literally meant nothing… Tony breaks them during the movie. BP breaks them in the best movies
Lastly- it stole a true Captain America movie away from us. It’s a Aveneges 2.5. Captain America: Secret Avengers should have taken place after
Hot garbage.
I barely tolerated this movie.
\-Sharon Carter should have had Black Widow's role.
\-HYDRA being the villains undermines a lot of what the movie purports to be about. For example, you can't say the movie is about good guys vs bad guys being more vague then they used to when ultimately the bad guys are literally the bad guys from the first movie.
Taika got a little taste of success with the humor and went way overboard in L&T. It basically poisoned the well for the entire post Endgame system. Making himself the narrator was a dreadful mistake
That movie also influenced the MCU era of shitting on the source material and the Superman 3 style of comedy. It was a huge failure.
-We spend 1/3 of the film in flashback and I found myself not caring about the action in the present. (Edit: Action which greatly suffers from having rocket not be a part of it for 2/3 of the whole movie!!)
-The needle drops are not nearly as effective as the first two films, and there is no great use of the main gotg theme compared to the way it is used perfectly in the battle against ego and in ronin’s crashing ship scenes
-The team breaking up felt like a way too grounded serious way to end what had been a series that lived in the fantastical
-I felt rockets backstory was almost manipulative in forcing the audience to feel something, whereas the climax and ending of gotg2 remains my most loved emotional moment in the mcu outside of endgame.
-I guess it just felt unearned to me. It felt like a step backwards from the previous guardians films in terms of storytelling. It feels like everybody loves it just cause, aww cute sad animals
* Killmonger shows up and "wins" the crown in an culture that fiercely stands by tradition. But when T'Challa shows back up, enough of the people are willing to disregard the fact that T'Challa is still alive and therefore Killmonger does not hold the crown that the fight is actually even.
* Killmongers choice to destroy the heart shaped flower is extremely short sighted for someone who has proven he can create elaborate and involved plans. By destroying the flower, he makes himself the last Black Panther, meaning any children he has wont have the ability to gain the powers and rule on.
* The T'Challa is still alive reveal is so weak. He "dies" around halfway through the movie, and even if you arent watching in such a way to see the exact timing of the movie, it still feels way too early. By trying to set up that hes dead to have the reveal that he is alive, the movie is assuming the audience is dumb enough to believe all is lost and that we are in the same position as the characters in wondering who will save the day. Had they shown his body being found immediately after the fall and still being alive, the audience is now rooting for the characters to make that discovery.
Theres probably some other gripes I have but those are the biggest ones that bother me.
Using natural logic it definitely doesn't make sense, but as Agent Ross pointed out, the American military trained Killmonger to go in and destabilize nations, amd he did that incredibly effectively.
A lot of people say that the only reason people like NWH is because of the inclusion of the previous Spider-Men and villains. That it’s just cameos and nostalgia bait. But I would say, if the movie was exactly the same, but there were new actors playing the villains and Spider-Men (Maybe there’s two variants of Tom Holland Peter kind of like Wolverine in D&W), the movie would still be quite good and well liked. It would be tweaked a bit obviously, but I think the drama of Peter dealing with his identity being exposed, trying to help the villains, the action scenes, as well as the emotional moments, climax and end of the movie are all still quite good and work independent of the cameo’s. Basically, I think it’s a really good movie with the added benefit of previous characters returning, rather than them being the main “thing” in the movie like many like to say (it certainly helped the marketing though). Maybe the one exception to that is arguably Willem Defoe because he’s a really great villain, but then again it’s entirely possible another actor could have stepped in and also did a great job. But basically I think the returning actors are just an awesome bonus that makes a great movie even better.
The MCU as a whole never goes far enough in addressing or exploring its themes. Iex0ected Captain America to be storming Normandy or Iwo Jima . Guardians 2 is mediocre and really only advances Peter Quills character.
Antonia didn’t need to die in Thunderbolts.
I prefer this so strongly that I actually even i included it in one of my fanfics lol
Shuri - "i know this! this is from the Lion King! I like that movie!"
Killmonger - "that was the only way she got me to listen to her. I also like it"