Were there any other alternatives to defeating Thanos without killing of Vision to destroy the mind stone?

I just rewatched M.O.M and during the aftermath of the Illuminati killing Thanos, I realized that there may have been other ways to defeat Thanos than killing off Vision. Does anyone have any ideas on how they could have defeated him?

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GarySoneji2025-12-04 05:51

Thanos killing Vision didn’t destroy the mind stone. And it didn’t help them win.

Nick could have called Carol a little sooner. *That* would have made a significant difference.

Beodrag2025-12-04 08:00

Nick didn't know about Thanos. Maybe if someone had contacted him he would've brought in Carol.

spidervenom6192025-12-04 10:16

The Tie-In Comics explained that Tony told Maria HIll that someone stronger then Loki was coming down and that was the whole reason why he started the Ultron Program in the first place. Maria's doesn't keep secrets from Fury so he would know that someone was coming down.

The Issue is that like the others, Fury just didn't know how powerful this Threat was lol.

Jtwil21912025-12-04 13:53

I haven't read the tie-in, so I don't know if it's elaborated in there, but in the movie Tony builds Ultron because he believes _something_ stronger than Loki will _eventually_ come to Earth. He doesn't know what it is or how strong it might be. And his source is a vision given to him by a manipulative Hydra operative.

What is Fury supposed to do with that information?

spidervenom6192025-12-04 23:13

The Tie-ins explained that Both Banner and Tony was working on the Ultron program sometime in 2013 cause Thanos got into his head in during the battle of NY somehow, that's why he said in Infinity War that Thanos not Wanda was in his head since 2012. Also, both Fury's Team of Misfits and the Remaining of Coulson's Shield knows where exactly all of Team Cap was except for Maybe Wanda.

Once Thanos's army invaded NYC that is when Fury should have Called Maria to get her ass back down to Earth and go over to where Steve was.

Jabberwocky4162025-12-04 14:29

Fury isn’t going to act based on second-hand information from someone he doesn’t control.

Beodrag2025-12-04 15:23

Yeah but I meant more in the sense that the entire Infinity war occurred in such a short timespan that Nick didn't even know Earth was being invaded until the snap. If Cap had asked Nick for assistance with protecting Vision, things could have been different.

JameSdEke2025-12-04 08:55

It’s been a while, but if I remember rightly from Nick’s point of view, the avengers dealt with the initial invasion on NYC and took the craft.

He was unaware of any other impending doom to the planet and probably thought the job was already done. Everything that took place in Wakanda during that second invasion took minutes.

I’m not sure Nick really knew to call Carol any sooner. She was always his emergency contact but he never needed it because the avengers always had sufficient resources to deal with everything to that point.

eagc72025-12-04 09:00

Yeah, unless Nick knew how dire things were beforehand he didn't really had any need to call Carol

a_o2025-12-04 06:05

Thor probably coulda stopped him in space with the axe if it werent for thanos’ assorted goons.

Edboy7962025-12-04 07:53

Where was Thanos when Thor got his Axe made, on Titan?

a_o2025-12-04 19:32

yeah if he'd gone there instead of wakanda (where thanos arrived later) it'd been easy peasy

Ranos1312025-12-04 06:07

It depends on which perspective you want to view it from.

It could have been written an infinite number of ways in which Vision doesn’t die. This way was picked for the drama and possibly to intentionally lead to Wanda’s switch to being a villain.

From an in universe perspective, no. There was exactly one way they would win and everything that happened was the only way.

MaxReb02025-12-04 15:34

This has been said a thousand times before so I realize it’s not a new take, but that was the one way the heroes won in the 14 million versions of the future Doctor Strange saw. However, in the infinite multiverse, 14 million is only a small fraction of possible futures. There really could’ve been many other ways to win that he just didn’t see.

ImaginaryWerewolf2002025-12-05 01:15

Alternate Doctor Strange beats him with the book of Vishanti in MoM so there’s other ways but I think he causes an incursion as a result I can’t remember

OutlandishnessOk23042025-12-04 06:10

Strange could have used one of his sparkly portals to decapitate Thanos, or at least cut off the gauntlet hand. It worked for that big non-verbal dude whose name escapes me atm.

b2bpaul2025-12-04 10:25

Cull Obsidian. He wasn't non-verbal, he just wasn't speaking English.

OutlandishnessOk23042025-12-04 10:47

Thank you.

I guess he and Maw spoke fluent Grunt.

b2bpaul2025-12-04 12:13

It's the old Han/Chewie dynamic - both speak in their own language and understand each other perfectly.

Fragzilla3602025-12-04 15:21

The groot dynamic

b2bpaul2025-12-04 18:37

I am Groot.

Neither-Spell-6262025-12-04 14:38

According to Joe Russo, Thanos' nigh impenetrable skin (and thereby, logically, muscle and bone as well) would've prevented this.

"Thanos' skin is almost impenetrable, we don't know whether Doctor Strange had the capability to do it. If he failed to cut it on time, Thanos would still able to do the snap. Doctor Strange realized this issue during his millions of test runs."

This is proven by the movie itself. Iron Man's armor withstands a blast from the power stone, which can destroy planets. Thanos was fighting with intent to kill Tony, so he was using the full brunt of the power stone. The Mark-50 is planetary. The strongest punch Tony could muster from this armor was able to draw only a drop of blood. That's how durable Thanos is.

This enhances the story so much. Tony created a planetary suit and still failed. What a blow.

Stormbreaker went through a beam made up of all six Infinity Stones, and sure, it impaled him, but it's a testament to Thanos' durability that it didn't just slice him in half.

Taking this into consideration, being able to withstand sling ring portals should be taken for granted.

Christopher Markus also confirmed that Thanos would've still been able to take all of the Avengers if they had succeeded in taking the Gauntlet.

"Thanos trashed half the universe without the stones. He went from planet to planet slaughtering people. He's unbelievably powerful without the stones. I think they would've been very disappointed to get the glove off him and find he was still beating the living daylights out of them."

Base Thanos is no joke.

moonchylde2025-12-04 06:11

Cut off the hand with the glove using sorcery during the fight scene with GotG and Dr Strange.

Neither-Spell-6262025-12-04 22:48

moonchylde2025-12-04 23:47

We know sling rings can portal through dimensions, as well, though.

So if Strange *could* cut off the glove and port him elsewhere, or port the stones (which shouldn't work in other dimensions per TVA) that would work.

But yes yes, they hand-waved that away with his BS omniscient search. 😆

Defiant_Wheel48882025-12-04 06:13

There’s only one word, bro
There *is* a way to defeat Thanos in the Illuminati universe, but you know the consequences — Doctor Strange has to die. If Thanos wins in that alternate timeline, Strange would have to turn dark, and he’d still end up dying in the end, even if he begged his friends to kill him or asked them to finish him off. Either way, Doctor Strange would be dead.

So I think Strange believed that wasn’t a good ending, or that it was too soon for him to die. Just like the Ancient One waited for the right moment and died once she found her successor, the same idea applies to our 616 Strange.

ParkerLF2025-12-04 08:15

Yeah, if Ultron was never wiped out and controlled the vision body and the mind stone, he would’ve been able to laser Thanos in half. The only reason Vision doesn’t do that is because he’s “on the side of life” and is programmed not to kill

_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_2025-12-04 09:46

Vision was mostly disabled by Corvus Glaive before Thanos arrived.

ParkerLF2025-12-04 20:10

Oh true! I forgot about that

theSteakKnight2025-12-04 08:17

Thor could have gone for the head

SkintCrayon2025-12-04 09:43

What if Strange listened to Tony and put the time stone "in the garbage disposal"?

spidervenom6192025-12-04 10:19

Honesty, that would have done it. No Time Stone equals no final Snapped...

Now granted there's going to be the Wanda's Problem later on but I'm Sure that Tony can just rebuilt Vis later on or something to solve that problem lol.

SkintCrayon2025-12-04 15:53

It would still be less trauma than what she ended up enduring.

She was forced to kill vision, watch him get revived and then get killed again

spidervenom6192025-12-04 10:17

1.Odinson Should have went for the Head. I'm sorry but that's a Loss for Thanos, his By God Head is gone and he ain't using the Time Stone on that.

2.Wanda could have only focus on Thanos and kill him right there and there. the issue is that Wanda would never do that cause Vision was the most important thing to her at that time

edit for Odinson Not Stark obviously going for the head lol.

DuckyHornet2025-12-04 13:06

Why would you avoid killing Vision?

HowardBunnyColvin2025-12-04 14:20

That was the only way

source: infinity war

Dell0c02025-12-04 16:07

The plan was to surgically remove the stone from Vision, as shown.

souledgar2025-12-04 18:09

If the team was less forked up by Civil War, they would have started working on separating Vision and the Mind Stone a lot earlier, while having a more cohesive defense.

ZekeMoss182025-12-04 21:25

Could Strange not have used his powers after finding out about Thanos and viewed where he had been in the past when getting the first stone, then just used the time stone to rewind time and put the Avengers in a place to ambush and kill him before he even got one stone?

robertluke2025-12-05 00:59

They established in Infinity War that closing a portal can amputate someone. I can think of another moment when that would’ve been super helpful.

Senshado2025-12-05 04:32

It would've been a good scene for Stephen Strange to try to amputate Thanos. We'd see it fail: there's no way his teleportation magic can work on someone wearing the Infinity stone of space.

In fact, the attempt would probably explode his sling ring. Which again, would be a cool scene.

ImaginaryWerewolf2002025-12-05 01:12

Tbh I’ve always felt like even with the Avengers at full strength they could have lost to Thanos. Basically, Thanos having some kind of honor is the only reason they stood a chance. The power stone by itself is enough to blow the Earth up. The minute he touches the surface of the Earth it would be over. He could teleport a meteor, I mean he barely used the reality stone in the movies because of how op it is. There’s definitely a reality out there where he puts everyone in some kind of genjutsu thinking they won lol just don’t let him get the stones

Senshado2025-12-05 04:28

From the perspective of the heroes and the public, to destroy Vision and the mind stone wouldn't have been a success, even if Thanos is unable to restore the stone.

Just consider what would happen if Thanos shows up on earth with stones 5/6 complete and then sees Wanda permanently deny him the full gauntlet and his life's quest. How's he gonna react?

He's gonna kill people. A lot of people. With 5 stones he can do it. The only question is will he kill the entire population of earth, or continue his pattern and kill half. Whichever he picks, the result will feel like the Avengers failed.

Sure, technically they saved a bunch of other planets from decimation. But they've never met those people, so in their view the world is being destroyed.

Senshado2025-12-05 04:39

Twice during Infinity War we saw Thanos come within a few seconds of being defeated: once on Titan and once in Wakanda. So, if just one more strong hero had joined in either of those fights, that would've tipped the balance and Thanos is beaten.

Most obviously, if Vision hadn't been destroyed and he was just running away with the mind stone on his head, that would've bought enough time for Thor and Stormbreaker to save the day.

CapEmDee2025-12-05 14:16

There was only one way they'd win

spidervenom6192025-12-06 01:45

Again this person isn't worry about other threats post Thanos, they only asking if they can stopped a Win for Thanos no one else, Not Kang, Not Doom, Not Arishem, Not Tiamut, Not Dreykov, Not Scarlet Witch, but just the Giant purple man.

I'm sorry but no one still has telling how Thanos losing his head by Odinson is not a Loss for Thanos and only Thanos not the Avengers.

MatthiasKrios2025-12-06 10:43

Thor with Stormbreaker almost soloed Thanos with the gauntlet. Had the Avengers known Thor was available and had Stormbreaker they could probably have worked something out.

nopitynopepants2025-12-10 04:58

Strange could have hidden Vision in a pocket dimension until they found a way to kill Thanos