What's a popular opinion about the MCU that is unpopular in this sub?
Let's cut to the chase.
Something something six-letter word that will tick people off that starts with r and ends with t.
Something something six-letter word that will tick people off that starts with r and ends with t.
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... rocket? I genuinely don't have a clue what you're trying to get at.
I still maintain that the MCU has genuinely run its course after **17 years**. It's *older* than the original **Ultimate Marvel** imprint.
What happens when something is seen as old? People will think it is lame. That's how trends die. They think it's yesterday news. And people aren't going to the cinema as much as they used to, unless kids tell them what they want to see. Unfortunately, being old means the MCU isn't really popular with kids outside of Spider-Man.
I like the MCU, but someone has to come out after Secret Wars and say people won't have to watch ***40 films and dozens of shows*** to understand the next installment.
If it wasn't for Thunderbolts I would be moving on, and at this point the only thing I'm watching out of love and not pure obligation is Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, also partly because I hooked my young niece up to Spidey & His Amazing Friends and she asked me what else has the trio (Peter, Miles and Gwen).
So before you downvote me, I hope you have asked your kids, nieces and nephews (if they're young) if they like Marvel. That's all.
All they are actually doing is merging the main mcu universe, with the X men universe and the fantastic four universe, ending the multiverse saga and moving onto the next saga, all events that happened are still part of the MCU history.
In all seriousness there is 0 - and I mean absolute zero - chance that we won't get a new Iron Man and Steve Rogers. Do you expect marvel to never make movies about them again?
DC recasts Batman all the time for movies but let's not forget it took them about thirty years to bring out another successful Superman film. Part of that is because replacing Christopher Reeves was really difficult. I imagine RDJ will cause a similar headache for Disney.
A big risk would be the Superman returns problem where the studio and director try to avoid the problem by essentially casting a new actor as a copy of the popular version. So Disney might hire someone and play it safe by telling them to play it like RDJ played it. But as we saw with Superman Returns no one is that interested in watching a cheap rehash of the performance they enjoyed decades ago.
It's entirely possible that a new Iron Man actor would be just as beloved as RDJ. Just because we haven't seen it happen doesn't mean it's doomed to fail.
I'll be honest: I'm not convinced even a reboot would become huge. It might be successful, sure, but not the kind of tsunami that the MCU was.
All they are actually doing is merging the main mcu universe, with the X men universe and the fantastic four universe, ending the multiverse saga and moving onto the next saga, all events that happened are still part of the MCU history
I'm sorry, this is why I wouldn't recommend the MCU to my niece. It's too much if you have to wind up watching a 17 years old film to understand why Captain America 4 was the way it was, or having to go back 30+ years earlier for that ice-skating joke.
So hopefully that means he wont be a Stark variant.
I've only ever seen love for them on this sub when the monthly "I loved this why is it so hated on" post comes up and everyone floods to say how misunderstood it was, how its actually amazing and all the hate only came from hateful assholes.
Either because the trolls got bored or the mods banned then or whatever, the advocates won. So now we just have people talking about how much they love these projects contrary to what others say, even if people aren't really posting the negative stuff anymore (at least not posting it here).
I never see The Marvels defended as anything more than mediocre outside this sub & some dedicated MCU Twitter accounts. It might not be the worst MCU project but I think it’s the most uninspired & forgettable one.
EDIT: I'm getting downvoted, so I should be clear that this isn't *my* opinion. I'm an MCU stan who very much wants it to keep going. But anytime I have a conversation with a casual MCU fan in real life, they always express a variation of the sentiment "I haven't watched much since Endgame" or "it should have ended at Endgame."
Thor Ragnarok was a good movie let down by a few moments that lacked restraint in humour and pacing. But I still give it a solid 8/10
Ragnorak follows an awesome story with amazing visuals and solid dialogue. There are a few cringey scenes, but that's comic-books for you
Quite a lot of the MCU is way too po-faced for its own good. Here’s a little perspective on this - they are comic book superhero movies.
As a fan, I can confidently say I left the theater feeling cringed out by the fact that it was a parody that didnt match the sick trailer.
Both Ragnarok and L&T are below the first 2 Thor movies.
No, this is just effing stupid. Ragnarok had balance with just enough cringe. Love & Thunder tried to make it cringe on purpose. That's not how you do it.
Russell Crowe was the worst of it. He should've seen that poor direction a mile away and said "Too much, let's make Zeus *intimidating* and find the humor in that." Instead he's just a Will Farrell-style slob. Gross. He has an Oscar ffs.
I do think Taika shares blame the Russos and what they did with Thor in Endgame. That was also a lil' too far in the wrong direction.
I get so mad evey time the trio teams up against Thanos and it's *this* Thor while the other two look peak.
"BRING ME THOR".
I've never lost my entire civilization in the span of a week though, so what do I know.
Do these people think Edward Scissorhands and Big Fish are terrible movies now because Tim Burton’s dumbo remake was presumably trash?
However, after being acquainted with Waititi's style/humour I was more or less ok with L&T. So I was not surprised or annoyed much.I think it's kinda like Ragnarok 2.0.
Apparently that's an unpopular take, lots of comments from Ragnarok fans insisting that Ragnarok was nothing like L&T, it has the perfect balance of comedy/drama bla bla bla. I find both of them similar, it has Waititi's humour style throughout the movie coupled with some rare good drama bits.
Compared to Ragnarok which completely dismissed the Warriors Three and never even brought up by Thor. Or an entire planet being destroyed. And yet there's no emotional exploration of these events.
That's why I'm kinda ok with L&T.And why I'm surprised many people were screeching against, when they also liked Ragnarok.
Guys, Thunderbolts is right there. Wakanda Forever was good too.
Fan4stick barely had any of that. The story was fine. The actual movie was garbage because it wasnt fun.
It's just been soured by the MAGA Morons, who scream "M-She-U" at everything.
Ms. Marvel is not a great character. Her show received extremely low views on Disney+. The Marvel was the biggest flop in the studio's history, and even on Disney+, the movie didn't do well. Sorry, but that's exactly what the numbers say. She didn't have much success in the MCU
As you’ve stated, there is so much to love and it’s definitely one of the most fun movies Marvel has ever made… that being said it absolutely deserves a lot of the flak it’s received. It is, undoubtedly, the ugliest movie in the MCU. There is no quality cinematography, color grading, or production design. Everything is an ugly beige hue and it’s shot to look like it was made in a closet. The Fox callbacks are nice, but they will 100% age the film because future generations will have zero reaction to Jennifer Gardner as Elektra, Wesley Snipes as Blade, Channing Tatum as Gambit, or even Chris Evans as the Human Torch. I believe that future generations will watch Tobey and Andrew’s Spider-Man films and will thus get a lot out of their appearance in NWH. I don’t believe that anyone in the future will ever grow up watching Elektra or will be knowledgeable of the decade long bts battle Tatum had to endure to become Gambit
It’s still a lot of fun, but it is far from perfect
Neither the new nor the old audience is interested in new characters, so they are forced to return to the old ones to stop losing money. That's why D&V is what it is, it gives the audience what they're actually interested in. That's not a bad thing. It's cool that Marvel can listen to the audience.
But I do agree that it's crammed full of fan-service stuntcasting that makes it much, much less of a standalone film than almost any other MCU entry. And yes, as the source memory fades, most of those cameos will become less and less comprehensible. Subtract the back history from Garner's Elektra or Tatum's Gambit, and you're not left with very much interesting.
I recently watched *It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World* (1963) for the first (and likely only) time. It had a decent rating on IMDb but IMO almost all its appeal is gathering together of so many prominent comedy and acting stars of that generation. I was born a generation later, and only recognized a handful of them. Minus the star appeal, it's really not a very funny film.
I loved *The Cannonball Run* (1981), though -- similar premise, but stars I was much more familiar with.
Otherwise, every single problem one could have with the movie is resolved by realizing that the movie is a meta-narrative based on real life, and not a normal narrative. It is the only way that the plot points of the movie make any sense, and it was a really really smart way to approach it.
If anyone still needs this explained to them: every legacy character in the movie represents the actual actor that plays them IRL. Ryan and Hugh want to come over to the MCU, but the projects that they came from are dead. I would argue that this Wolverine represents Hugh at that exact point in his life - losing his family (through divorce irl, as mentioned in the movie) and at a low point where he needs to be rebuilt. Deadpool is the jackass (ryan) who helped him out and got him where he wants to be. The only reason the other legacy characters come in is to affirm their IRL cultural significance, (Snipes/Blade and Garner/Elektra) or make good on a "promised casting future" (Tatum/Gambit and Daphne/Laura).
The movie is basically Deadpool ***Saves*** the FoXverse and I respect and like it even though I really don't like Deadpool or Ryan Reynolds or Hugh Jackman or Shawn Levy lmao
It's the sort of thing you see with Drake and Patriots fans: when you're on top for so long you don't know to talk about anything you like without talking about money.
"D+W is good because yellow suit Ms. Marvel is bad because low box office numbers" is the sort of shit people make fun of this fandom for
Okay, maybe Brave New World was kinda bad.
When it doesn’t break through to the mainstream audience, isn’t raved by critics, doesn’t get award nominations, merch collects dust at the *dollar store*…then that means the movie/show just wasn’t that good.
There’s no grand conspiracy. The filmmakers/studio just didn’t make an appealing enough product.
*Barbie* made a billion dollars. There are no excuses anymore for why a movie led by women can’t be both well made *and* successful.
And y'know what? I like that. You don't get that from the live-action superhero stuff often
Heck, I'd even argue that I didn't like when the stakes became so big
If they had just budgeted appropriately, those shows would be far far far more likely to get renewals. But instead they made a show for a specific audience while simultaneously depending on popular reception among those the shows weren't directed at.
It's a pretty remarkable screw up, usually Disney is pretty on point when it comes to marketing towards specific audiences and budgeting appropriately. But the way they handled things, there was really no chance for those shows to be well received.
Everyone cared. Now you have people who cared about Shang Chi arguing with people who cared about Ms Marvel over who should get a sequel.
It was that it was a big event *everyone* would go to the new one partly because they were all tied in but also (like with Guardians of the Galaxy) you were practically guaranteed to enjoy most aspects of the movie as were all the different people who might be going with you.
The niche stuff at that point was arthouse stuff that was really well-done like Dr Strange
For example, She-Hulk cost a quarter billion dollars for less than 4 hours of streaming content. People can say what they want, but Marvel Studios/Disney didn't spend that much money to target some small, niche audience. The size of the investment pretty clearly indicates that they intended the show to have pretty broad appeal.
When it came to broad appeal, it generally fell pretty flat. When more casual fans started weighing in on it, instead of just admitting that the show failed at its goal of having broad appeal, people started dismissing the detractors as simply not understanding that the show wasn't meant for them.
No, Disney *did* want the show to be for many of them. Disney just failed in execution. That doesn't mean that all the detractors weren't part of the target audience or that they just don't understand what is happening.
Post endgame has been really not great. Sure there have been great projects but MOST have been either really meh or just straight up bad. Much of this is because of Disney’s quality over quantity mindset, pandering to demographics that don’t really care about marvel anyway, etc, but projects like ms marvel, the marvels, she hulk, Thor 4, strange 2, and many more, have been bad and this subreddit seems to cope so aggressively because they don’t want to admit marvel has fallen off so they cling on.
There's always this attitude with fans that something good should just be good forever, which I guess is fine with *products*, but not *stories*. Stories eventually reach a point where they basically just can't do anything new without fucking with the lore details people like.
People (usually men) on here: I just think her storyline is over and it makes no sense for the character whose last line is "let's go find Tommy" to appear on VisionQuest with Billy.
Also, She-Hulk was an awful show, beginning to end.
But , by how marvel movies made, and how similar their formula was in a lot of their movies, general audience trained to consider it as a singular genre. It made a preconceived notion about them before seeing it.
Like, I know that people are often clamoring for more Moon Knight, but that's the perfect example of an MCU show that was pretty cool, followed most of the established "rules" of the MCU, and pretty much none of the subsequent big releases had anything to do with. That's the perfect formula for Disney+ shows IMO.
Where they really ran into problems is with WandaVision, FatWS, and Loki basically being the driver for Doctor Strange, Captain America, Thunderbolts, Deadpool, Ant-Man, and the Avengers. Not to mention the actual thing they were supposedly building up to (Kang) didn't materialize at all. Even as someone who really enjoys a lot of the MCU content, it's gotten to the point where they flooded the market with too many side stories and too many new characters without a real culmination point in sight. Like, 7 or so years of zero payoff is hard to sustain, which is how long it's been since Endgame released.
2. Steve Rogers fucked up the Avengers and was the root behind the breakup
3. Hawkeye was done dirty by dragging in the whole wife & kids thing
Aaaaannndd.. GO
There has been very few black male heroes with actual superpowers in the Marvel movies. How many are there now? How is this a coincidence given the history of Hollywood and people like Ike Perlmutter?
And they ruined the ending of Logan.
Also, how did it ruin the end of Logan? It didn't retcon anything. It didn't have any effect on the ending of Logan at all. Because he dug up the grave? So?
That’s a very common opinion outside this sub, that’s exactly what the general audience thinks, and they’re right.
*Avoidable?* Maybe. Sad? I guess. I think there's a great alternate timeline where Boseman never died and COVID never happened and Scott Derickson never left where Marvel picks up the most interesting plot threads from Phase 3 and developed them in Phase 4, instead of throwing a ton of stuff at the wall to see what sticks.
But focusing on alternate timelines is a waste of time--which is sadly a lesson the MCU hasn't learned yet.
I honestly don't think it can be accomplished again without taking some serious time off (5 years or so). To allow the studio to replan, retool, recast and people to set expectations lower again.
Idk… people will always find something to complain about; when in reality is simply amazing we’ve got ALL these movies and shows.
None of the Thor films are actually good films.
Thor is best written in the big ensemble movies where they allow him to process grief and develop.
Hela was too fucking hot. Irrelevant to your comment I know. But I felt like it needed mentioning again.
The mere idea of a Multiverse Saga was a mistake.
Secondly, people love No Way Home and Deadpool 3, but around here it's the most hated thing.
Lastly, people adore Tom Holland's spidey, but on reddit they hate everything about him, even refer him as Iron boy jr.
You can see it in this thread with people trying to argue that certain projects with female leads are "bad" because they didn't make a certain amount of money, as if this is a Disney shareholders meeting.
I said something about not liking him in some comments and got called a racist by some Karen lol
Do you know what thread youre in?
People say this talking point but it isn’t really reflected in the general audience, if this was true his movie almost certainly wouldn’t have grossed $100M over its opening weekend. He’s as popular as the Rudd Ant-Mans and the other non-trinity Avengers bar like Wanda, Hulk and maybe Natasha lol
Edit: The downvote kind of verifies this as an “opinion that the general audience holds that unpopular to reddit” opinion
Also, isnt Yelena really popular??
The ability to pull off 22 episodes a season and have it remain as cohesive as it was, is quite frankly amazing.
No season of any TV show tops season 4 of AOS. Its a pure writing and acting masterpiece
The only MCU shows/movies to actually do proper worldbuilding are She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, Ms. Marvel, Fantastic Four: First Steps, and the Guardian films.