Why didn't the avengers check up on Thor for 5 years?

Kinda makes them look like massive assholes for only showing up because they needed him for tge Time Heist

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Illustrious_Union1992025-12-03 01:44

They did and tried. He didn’t want to meet any of them. Also they were all processing grief themselves in different ways

Obraxiss2025-12-03 01:49

Did they?, I kinda got the sense that they all went their seperate ways until Scott showed up

Swimwithamermaid2025-12-03 02:08

I’m just curious how you got that impression when right before Scott shows up, Captain America and Nat were talking and just prior to that, Nat was talking to other Avengers. Outside of Rhodey, the other characters in the meeting were acquaintances at best (Okoye) to literal strangers who had just met when everything went to shit (Captain Marvel, Rocket and Nebula).

Of the core group, Iron Man, Hawkeye, and Thor obviously went their separate ways. It’s not very clear how close Hulk was. It seemed as though he kept in touch but still went and did his own thing too. It wasn’t until Amy Man showed up that we see Nat and Steve actively try (again) to bring the rest into the fold.

Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:14

It's been a while since I've watched Endgame, so forgive if I'm misrembering, bu tI was refering to the og 6, and i figured that Steve and Nat were kinda too busy to talk too much

Eggmud112025-12-03 02:26

Nat and Steve were in regular contact throughout the 5 years

spidervenom6192025-12-03 02:38

Shoot, I would argued that other then Barton and Odinson (who both choose to went their separate ways, Nat was regular contact with pretty much everyone, she didn't seem so shocked as to see Morgan running around in Endgame.

Nat was the Glue that hold everyone but Barton together.

bxyankee902025-12-03 02:26

What are Amy Man's powers?

CoyotesVoice2025-12-03 02:29

An amazing singing voice!

Swimwithamermaid2025-12-03 02:32

Amy Man! Able to get Any Man! Idk, I’m not exactly sober rn lol.

ipostatrandom2025-12-03 02:13

Yes, you didn't pick up on any of their actions being out of grief?

The movie starts with Rogers hosting a self-help group, helping others to help himself, Natasha drowns herself in her Avengers work to distract herself, Clint has become another Punisher. The only ones that seem happy are Tony and Bruce, although the latter must have spent a lot of years to get there and finally be in charge of his Hulk persona.

Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:49

I watched back when I was a kid, so a lot of the subtext went over my head.

ImaginaryEphatant2025-12-03 03:01

You're getting down voted but I agree. I also think that it's kind of commentary on how being a hero, or even just a friend, is harder when you're stuck trying to cope with trauma. The avengers are solitary, self centered dicks after infinity war, and that goes for all of them, not just Thor. Even Nat and Cap's philanthropy is tinged with sadness and solitude, soldiers pushing on and helping because they don't know how to do anything else. People just don't want to admit that the Avengers are just flawed and emotional people despite the fact that that's what makes them interesting charecters. Even the heroes have it rough!

Cu77lefish2025-12-03 01:45

It's been a while since I watched, but I never got the sense they abandoned him. More that Thor retreated into himself created distance. You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.

Obraxiss2025-12-03 01:48

Fair enough, it just felt a little weird that the first time they see him is when they need him

FalenAlter2025-12-03 02:11

You're just assuming that.

McDummy2025-12-03 02:26

THIS

Bozlogic2025-12-03 02:20

I like to think he just “went back to Asgard” like he did every other time.

Except Asgard is now on earth

extralyfe2025-12-03 03:55

judging by how the rest of the movie goes, it's pretty clear that he needs them, too.

bluediamond123452025-12-03 02:25

Hulk and Valkyrie talk about this:

V: You shouldn't have come!

H: Ah, Valkyrie! Great to see you, Angry Girl.

V: I think I liked you better either of the other ways.

H: This is Rocket.

R: How you doin'?

V: He won't see you.

H: That bad, huh?

V: We only see him once a month, when he comes for... supplies. (Beer)

H: It's that bad.

V: Yeah.

thedeadwillwalk2025-12-03 02:39

I've created dumber reasons for distancing myself from the people that love me, and it wasn't over repairing a dystopian present.

Ello_Owu2025-12-03 03:33

Depending on where you live, give it time.

[deleted]2025-12-03 17:22

This took me out

talones2025-12-03 19:26

I think he was more fucked up from not going for the head than the dystopian outcome.

RichMellow2025-12-04 00:39

That's precisely what fucked him up, the dystopia is the outcome of what Thor believes is all his fault because "He shoulda went for the head"

It's the same thing, you guys are talking about the same thing lol

ny15912025-12-04 11:55

That was just the straw that broke his back. It was a culmination of losing his mother, being repeatedly betrayed by his step brother, losing his father, fighting his sister and losing Asgard, then losing his step (correction: adopted) bother after just reconciling with him, and finally, failing to stop Thanos and losing half the people he called friends. That’s a lot of loss for anyone, even the hero of Asgard.

If you think about his story arc, it’s kind of like he’s the MCU version of Miles O’Brien from Star Trek: Glutton for Punishment.

FlockFlysAtMidnite2025-12-03 02:39

I mean... if she hasn't seen him since he figured out the smart Hulk, it seems like it's been at least a *while*.

Emptypiro2025-12-03 03:13

When did he become smart hulk

Jaffacakelover2025-12-03 04:16

In the 5 years between Infinity War and Endgame. Offscreen.

spacescaptain2025-12-03 08:50

Late 2019, about a year and a half after Infinity War. Seems too fast to me, but whatevs.

From the MCU [wiki](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/2019):

\>In [*A Normal Amount of Rage*](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/A_Normal_Amount_of_Rage), Bruce Banner says that his journey with the Hulk took "about 15 years, give or take." Banner became the Hulk on April 16, 2005 (see [2000s](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/2000s) references), suggesting that he became Smart Hulk in 2020. However, [*Marvel Studios' The Marvel Cinematic Universe: An Official Timeline*](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_Studios%27_The_Marvel_Cinematic_Universe:_An_Official_Timeline) places his merger in "Late 2019." To best satisfy both the book and the dialogue, it can be taken that Banner completed the merger in December 2019, almost 15 years since he became Hulk.

fireandlifeincarnate2025-12-03 14:53

the wiki really tries to get specific with things that don't need to be that specific. They also say Natasha bombed Budapest January 1, 2008, because that gives her the most time with SHIELD post defection while still having it be in 2008.

Apollo_Sierra2025-12-03 03:23

It doesn't say that she hasn't seen him since he merged his personalities, just that she preferred them separate.

Waterhorse8162025-12-03 07:58

Yeah if she hadn't seen him since her reaction probably would have been more like fuck happened to you

DJettster2372025-12-03 03:31

It seems like they didn't even try. Or if they did they waited for him after a while.

Wack_photgraphy2025-12-03 05:12

Unfortunately subtly is wasted on most people...

FishesAreMyPassion2025-12-03 06:20

it's not exactly subtle,
people just forgot due to time

Lidge13372025-12-03 06:21

Show don't tell is dying as a technique because there's too many people who want everything spelled out for them

PaulineHansonsBurka2025-12-03 09:43

I remember reading somewhere that screenwriters are being instructed to *really* dumb things down because the expectation for the streaming age is that people are gonna be on their phones half the time, and when they miss something tend to not be as invested in the story because "it doesn't make sense". So to hold onto viewership, make character interactions bleedingly obvious, leave nothing to nuance, always have someone explain something. Basically, do a CW.

SuperAl232025-12-03 09:47

Jameela Jamil on the Romesh Ranganathan show discussing this

https://youtube.com/shorts/Lh09JO0MoME?si=gCOyGe6xnXzgJaAI

IanYates822025-12-03 10:31

Yep. "second screening" is what they call it. Plot points get repeated, plus things explained verbally, often twice a few minutes apart

Khabster2025-12-03 11:27

Which, annoyingly, makes a show incredibly dull and annoyingly lengthy for those of us who *don’t* fiddle with our phones at the same time.

Sometimes to the point where you get bored with the slow-moving plot and… pick up your phone. Eurgh.

IanYates822025-12-03 12:53

Yep, you're not wrong, sadly

Marcuse02025-12-03 10:56

The thing is, Andor didn't do this, and has been lauded as the best Star Wars product to come out for a long time. This is in Star Wars too, which isn't known for it's complex storytelling.

The idea that audiences are all fools who need everything spelling out is indicative way more of the studios' attitude to their viewers than it is the audience itself.

Eurell2025-12-03 11:01

Being reviewed well doesnt mean it makes more money though, which is what companies care about. Andor s2 had worse viewership than every season of the mandalorian, and ashoka, and Kenobi.

tagabalon2025-12-03 11:50

\> people are gonna be on their phones half the time

other people are also cooking, cleaning, doing the laundry and other chores, and taking care of kids.

there's no excuse of course for watching in the theater, but when at home (like TV watching) being able to focus on the show 100% is a privilege to some.

and this is just part of societal change. 20 years ago, if your hobby is sitting on the couch, watching TV for 8 hours straight, you're considered a "loser". it's only now that it's being seen as "cool".

Vanishing_Light2025-12-03 12:49

It would help if people could sit still and pay attention for 2 hours without whipping out their phones every 3 minutes.

GoAgainKid2025-12-03 15:18

That wasn’t even show don’t tell lol they just posted a script that literally tells you.

Business_Tomatillo102025-12-03 14:46

Its this right here people constantly harp on movies and shows for show dont tell or your media is garbage but when its done even remotely right (like here) people come up with some reason why we should have had the explanation handed to us on a silver platter.

Gridde2025-12-03 06:15

Yeah the dialogue happens. And then he is ecstatic to see them when they visit.

His mood only turns when they mention Thanos (and even then he still ultimately joins them).

TowelFine69332025-12-03 06:33

Yeah, he's acting happy, but he really just wants them to go away. Been there, done that.

Coilspun2025-12-03 08:56

Valkyrie being meta-right about Hulk's MCU appearances.

Joranthalus2025-12-03 03:18

Yeah, but when he came back they just made fun of him….

thefreshera2025-12-03 13:09

Mostly Rhody did, but I guess he's a Skrull (I hate this)

Xero09112025-12-03 03:37

Right? Thor cut himself off. Only so much they can do.

And they all also have shit to do. Like the world is quite literally falling apart. Can only help a friend out so much, he needs to be willing

Neveronlyadream2025-12-03 06:16

Thor cut himself off, but the others also had survivor's guilt, kind of creating this perfect storm of everyone avoiding each other.

Which is understandable. They did try and fail to stop literally half the universe from being unmade, including watching their friends crumble into dust right before their eyes.

I think that could have been shown better, though. Thor is really the only one that looks depressed and traumatized after the time skip and they didn't really have enough time in the movie to show every remaining Avenger not really coping that well one by one.

niveksng2025-12-03 07:25

I mean, of the OG 6 Avengers:

Natasha was traumatized but drowned herself in work to silence the failure. She doesn't look depressed cause she intentionally stays busy so she won't think about it.

Clint literally went on a murderous rampage for not being there when needed.

Tony lost the least and so decided to move on (though once told of a potential solution he couldn't sleep at all until he exhausted the possibility)

Thor retreated and shunned everyone away because he failed not only twice but was the only one to get so close to succeeding.

Cap is seen moving on as his personal experience with loss has already been so great (due to him being frozen) so he drowned his regret in duty (leading therapy groups).

Really the only one we haven't seen is Banner/Hulk due to them cutting that reconciliation between the two halves. So I think they're all coping and being depressed in different forms and was shown fairly well despite the limited screen time.

Stripe-Gremlin2025-12-03 08:20

Going by what we see in She-Hulk it seems Bruce retreated to the tropical paradise Tony made for him and used it as an opportunity to merge both half’s and to finally work through his own issues to become the more chilled out and comfortable with himself, Bruce we see in Endgame

niveksng2025-12-03 08:25

Though that isn't really directly related to how he's coping with the loss in Infinity War, but I guess you can say Bruce was way too fudged up in the head to really be bothered, and only had a chance to think about it after reconciling with Hulk, by then rationalizing a lot of the events since more time has passed.

xanderholland2025-12-03 04:30

I think everyone was trying to give each other some space to grieve but Thor hid in his little house in Norway with a couple friends.

Smallville4562025-12-03 01:45

Killing Thanos after he yeeeted half of the universe with no hope of saving them was probably a bit traumatic.

constantvariables2025-12-03 01:48

Dude took the biggest L in the history of the universe. I’m sure they checked up but couldn’t get through. He needed to fix himself and couldn’t until he got a chance at fixing things for everyone.

BigCopperPipe2025-12-03 02:13

He should have gone for the head.

MC_chrome2025-12-03 02:47

For a warrior like Thor, I was a little surprised he didn’t go for the head or especially the arm with the gauntlet on it

BigCopperPipe2025-12-03 02:52

He wanted that last word in.

Bazonkawomp2025-12-03 03:07

I always want the last word in; I’m pretty.

BigCopperPipe2025-12-03 03:43

Nah, you human. We all do haha.

Bazonkawomp2025-12-03 03:59

Maybe I want it more than you.

Realistic_Analyst_262025-12-03 08:07

Thor is a warrior but not as much of a rational thinker. Thanos took everything from him and he wanted Thanos to suffer as revenge.

Medical-Island-61822025-12-03 01:52

They all were depressed and fixated on distractions or trying to move on with a more grim reality

Tony moved to a house in the woods to have a family

Cap volunteered as a grief councillor

Banner went into lab scientist mode and figured out the hulk

Hawkeye became a vigilante hunting down gangs

Nat just tried to keep in touch and lived a quiet life

Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:04

I wouldn't say Nat "Lived a quiet life", she was busy leading the Avengers

Medical-Island-61822025-12-03 02:10

I’m trying to remember what she was doing. I remember her showing up to talk to cap and she was keeping in touch with captain marvel but I can’t remember if the film gave exposition to what /who she was leading in those 5 years

IAmTheDoctor342025-12-03 02:32

It gave so little exposition that we got she hulk to tell us Tony helped Banner merge the Hulk and himself into Smart Hulk

Its implied that Nat is throwing herself into leading the Avengers because she doesn't have anything else, like asking how they're handling tremors under the earth, something that doesn't need handled. Because the whole team lost, she lost her sister after getting her back, and now Clint is off the deep end in grief and she can't pin him down, she doesn't have control over anything.

spidervenom6192025-12-03 02:41

Nat's job was to be the glue that hold everyone but Barton (who just up and vanished after Infinity War) together, she probably visited Odinson and Tony countless times throughout the 5 years to check up on them (When Odinson would let her that is.)

Responsible_Egg75192025-12-03 04:48

Allegedly there was a discarded idea of her running a home for kids orphaned by The Snap during those 5 years

ipostatrandom2025-12-03 02:15

Indeed. She was drowning herself in her Avengers work to distract herself.

looopious2025-12-03 17:16

She’s always been like that. She doesn’t know anything other than being a spy. Getting Nat to relax is basically impossible.

Saburiminaru_Sensei2025-12-03 01:53

Thor needed to be put in time out for crashing/taking over what might have been one of the better known Hulk story arcs and stealing his friends for his own story.

Amon77772025-12-03 01:53

Guy had PTSD, there’s no indication he wasn’t visited friends, maybe even often. You don’t get help or healed just by your friends saying hi, though ensuring you are supported obviously helps. You have to want to get help, and Thor clearly couldn’t, or wouldn’t, admit he did.

Obraxiss2025-12-03 01:56

I assumed they never visited based on Thor's reaction to seeing hulk and rocket,

Amon77772025-12-03 01:59

I mean you’re talking about two of the least likely people to visit anyway, rocket especially. I’d be shocked to learn Steve and Tony didn’t pop in often. Plus, when someone’s in a deep depression, it can be hard to keep that drive to visit, especially if they’re drunk like Thor clearly often was.

Obraxiss2025-12-03 01:59

Also, Hulk outright says "Long time, no see" to Korg and Meik

Instantbeef2025-12-03 01:56

I think a better question is why didn’t they let Thor workout or something before traveling back in time. They literally could have taken as long as they want.

Obraxiss2025-12-03 01:58

He wasn't really in the right mental state to focus on excerise

Instantbeef2025-12-03 02:10

They literally could have taken years of preparation

adeelf2025-12-03 02:37

That wouldn't be very heroic, would it?

If they've come upon a potential solution to right the wrong, they're not just going to go, "Since our plan involves time travel, anyway, we'll just chill out for a couple of years before we act. The past ain't going anywhere."

Instantbeef2025-12-03 02:54

For sure it would have made a worse movie but it’s like common sense

SpeedBlitzX2025-12-03 01:58

Maybe they did check up on him, but maybe he didn't try answering?

AtticusSwoopenheiser2025-12-03 01:59

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Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:06

Makes sense, also, that sounds awful, hope your friend is doing better now.

AtticusSwoopenheiser2025-12-03 02:34

They are, or at least, they’ve learned to manage it better

AskMeForLinks2025-12-03 02:25

That's a powerful message.

kulitchipon2025-12-03 02:26

Oh, wow. That's definitely something I haven't considered before. It makes sense, though.

AnOnlineHandle2025-12-03 05:19

It's why I'm not a fan of the "are you okay?" day type stuff, or whatever it's called. It just reminds me of the problems which have no easy solution and are best dealt with by not dwelling on them, and seems a bit performative to be brutally honest.

UnintelligibleMaker2025-12-03 02:34

At least they told you; i leg the questions just keep driving me deeper for a long time.

kimgar62025-12-03 03:04

Having been on both sides of the constant check-ins, it is tough, but you are a really good friend and you were appreciated even what you were doing hurt

AtticusSwoopenheiser2025-12-03 03:14

Hearing that from a complete stranger somehow is even more reassuring that hearing it from my best friend. Thank you!

bugvan2025-12-03 03:20

I completely get that. I like to ask my people how they want me to check in and when I should be concerned, every one’s different.

Auto_update2025-12-03 03:22

lol, my mom was doing this to me recently.

Not checking in but daily spamming inspirational photos or quotes or memes. For MONTHS…

It made me feel like shit.

I knew the intent, but jeez. I’m glad it has finally subsided.

yaboyskinnydick_2025-12-03 03:22

I really hate to criticize because you were literally doing God's work, but the problem was probably your wording and repeated attempts to ask if they were okay, if you were just present and didn't say anything at all they might have preferred that. I was that friend once, I had a buddy that always made sure to hang semi regularly because I would never go out myself, and just having that friend, whether he was oblivious to my depression (hell, I was too) or not, him just being around was everything. When the friendship waned a bit with age I realised how important it was, and when I fell into a much deeper depression and he wasn't really there, I found myself not even wanting to hang out because just being around people who aren't that depressed makes you feel worse, so I'm also trying to say you might not have been able to do the right thing regardless, but I just don't want people to think leaving them alone after being told to stop checking on them is always the best idea. I know if I did that it'd be followed by hardcore self loathing session and being left alone like that is the worst.

skyrocker_582025-12-03 03:40

Happy ending?

AtticusSwoopenheiser2025-12-03 04:24

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Anonkiller692025-12-03 06:01

Well it’s okay to not be okay. You can still check up on them but in a diff approach tho but I get why you felt like that

F4TVN2025-12-03 10:34

You’re a good friend. I’m probably preaching to the choir, but checking in doesn’t have to be asking if someone’s okay. It could be calling to tell them something, share a moment or talk about a topic. It’s still a connection and a direct check in without being direct.

Tony_Rags2025-12-03 02:03

I always assumed that they thought he wouldn’t take it so bad since he was always the most powerful. They might have assumed, as a god, that he could handle anything. I’m sure that’s why it was such a shock to everyone that he of all of them would have the greatest downfall.

I’m surprised it was never really addressed by the others how bad he had it. We know as viewers, but none of the others really mention how messed up the situation was for him. Sure, Rocket’s childhood was clearly the most traumatic, but Thor really lost everything AND felt responsible for letting half the universe die.

I’m probably in the minority that wasn’t a huge fan of Fat Thor. I think he should have had a depressive arc, one full of grief and regret, but making him a pathetic, fat joke wasn’t really my style. They really just made fun of him the entire film when their brother was reeling. I mean Rhodey and Rocket didn’t have to be dicks, but it is what it is.

masterofreality20012025-12-03 02:49

The old saying goes, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. The other Avengers didn't have cosmic level duties like Thor did.

mc2bit2025-12-03 05:48

Fat Thor was great -- Hemsworth did a beautiful job, the movie just failed him. I was really happy when he showed back up at the final battle still fat but looking incredible with the heavy braids in his beard and wielding both the axe and the hammer. It was brave to show their most powerful character so broken by grief and guilt. I wish the movie hadn't made him a joke.

TheFunkytownExpress2025-12-03 02:03

Well they were on pretty shakey ground before Infinity War to begin with then afterwards they were all depressed n shit themselves. Nobody was in a good place. They were all downtrodden and defeated. Seems like even Nat and Steve who were good friends ( and a lil more? ) weren't really even keeping up with each other, and yeah...

shanejayell2025-12-03 02:05

Because half the planet vanished and they had their hands full.

ccReptilelord2025-12-03 02:06

Well for one thing, "the Avengers" are not as much a thing as some fans want them to be. In the films, they're basically Tony's friends that Fury attempted to build. Cap is just a government agent, then rogue. Banner is a wild card that wanted to be left alone initially, constantly with his own struggle. Hawkeye has a secret life. When Tony returned and did the family thing, "the Avengers" essentially fizzled. The movie Avengers are *never* the organization seen in the comics.

That brings us to Thor. The alien that moved his species to Norway and gave control to others. He was busy doing his own thing, and simultaneously nothing. Who was going to check on him? If you watch the films, none of them really became family-level relative with him.

Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:08

I mean, after Ragnarok, I figured that he and Thor would be at least be a little bit close

ccReptilelord2025-12-03 02:22

The problem there: most of their interaction was Hulk, not Banner. Bruce explained that when Hulk was in control was definitely *not* Banner. Bruce spent spent only a brief high-octane amount of time with Thor. Hulk is not someone to check up on someone else.

Smart Hulk was a new thing that wouldn't have considered this matter for some time.

Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:25

Fair point, also, is it stated anywhere how long had bruce been Smart Hulk for by endgame?

ccReptilelord2025-12-03 02:41

About 3 years apparently.

RadiantChaos2025-12-03 18:47

I wouldn't say they are never an organization, but it is more brief than the span of 2012-2018 we had movies of them for.

After Avengers 1 they all go their separate ways, leading to Tony being independent with just Rhodey to help in Iron Man 3, Thor handling The Dark World with only his normal supporting cast, and Clint presumably spending as much time with family as possible. We see that Banner got up to some science shit, and probably spent some time with Tony casually. So it's mostly Cap and Nat that were left working with SHIELD, which as you say, wasn't really "The Avengers."

Sometime prior to Age of Ultron, they've started working together again, possibly in part due to SHIELD being dissolved. And after AoU, while Tony, Thor, Banner, and Clint have all left, they've been replaced by Wanda, Vision, Rhodey, and Sam, giving them still a team of six with Nat and Steve.

That team likely stayed relatively in-tact for about a year before Civil War happened, which radically shifted the teams. So, to summarize:

* 2012-2015: Unofficial status, not really a true team yet
* 2015: The original six: Steve, Nat, Tony, Thor, Clint, Banner
* 2015-2016: The new crew: Steve, Nat, Rhodey, Vision, Wanda, Sam
* 2016-2018: The remnants: Tony, Rhodey, Vision
* 2019-2023: The Blip Group: Steve, Nat, Banner, Rhodey, Nebula, Rocket, Carol, Okoye
* 2023: The Time Heist Team: Steve, Nat, Tony, Thor, Clint, Banner, Rhodey, Nebula, Rocket, Scott
* Post-Endgame: Dissolved as an org, but with heroes generally still considered Avengers and sometimes working together: Thor, Clint, Banner, Rhodey, Sam, Scott, Wanda, Strange, Wong, Peter, Carol
* Sam's New Team (probably): Sam, Torres, Scott, Shang-Chi, possibly Thor, Shuri, and/or Carol
* The New Avengers: Bucky, Yelena, Ghost, John, Alexei, Bob

EightBiscuit012025-12-03 02:07

The Avengers disassembled. There’s a reason the team Nat is taking charge of is missing so many key members. Thor went to rule his people and everyone did their own thing

InoueNinja942025-12-03 02:09

I mean, why didn't the surviving Avengers didn't check on Wanda before shit hit the fan in Westview?

Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:19

WandaVision only takes like a few weeks after endgame, so a lot of them were still mourning over Stark and Nat, also, the last thing any of them any would want is to go to New Jersey

adeelf2025-12-03 02:43

Fair point.

But then why didn't they check up on her after the events of WandaVision but before MoM? How long was the gap between those?

Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:48

About a year, according to the wiki,

masterofreality20012025-12-03 02:47

Yeah New Jersey alone is enough to mourn

clangan5242025-12-03 02:14

OP doesn't have media literacy

Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:23

Fair point, I feel that part of my complaint comes from projecting my needs onto similer fictional characters, when they almost certanly have different needs.

Good_old_Marshmallow2025-12-03 02:15

Thor is a literal god on earth, I think they assumed he had this heir of invincibility and not being able to be helped by any of them

McDummy2025-12-03 02:25

you assume they didn't

eternali172025-12-03 02:26

I doubt he was welcoming of aid besides anyone helping him wallow and they all had to stuff to do. The Russos are hacks and they had a story to tell

That said, the Russos are classy hacks. Absolutely worked for what they were trying to do but my God; I daresay no one in charge of a Thor movie has known or liked him

Shyamalandra2025-12-03 02:27

Maybe Thor didn't want to see them and they respected his grief and pain. I mean have you seen how Incredibly pissed off he was in the IW aftermath? He barely uttered a word until Nebula told them Thanos' location. He didn't even care about Tony's and Steve's argument or anyone's problems.

Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:33

Good point

NyriasNeo2025-12-03 02:30

How do you know they did not?

Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:42

I feel like there isn't really much proof either way, like, you could make the argument that "Thor wouldn't want help", which is Valid or "The other avengers were busy dealing with their own problems so wern't able to check up on Thor", which is also Valid, it mostly comes down to, "Endgame is 3 hours long and the exact ins and outs of Thor's Spiral into depression just isn't the story we want to tell"

ParagonRebel2025-12-03 02:31

I feel like they did but Tony was gone, Natasha died so everyone was processing their grief. There was no real way of finding Thanos at that point in time and Thor was just beating himself up about it for 5yrs. After a while, for some people, there just isn’t anything you can do.

Also, i think New Asgard was off the map for a while as well.

More_Inspection27612025-12-03 02:34

Been through depression and heavily drinking like this....it's tough for everyone involved, and real talk seeing him go through this in end game and slowly crawling back out helped me some...I could relate to the feelings of worthlessness and drinking to cope i gained over 100 lbs and retreated within...I took along time but talking eventually started to help. People being there felt more like overwhelming pressure and made it a lot harder at times. It's like being a feral cat/dog skiddish and afraid it takes time and a light trust to slowly bring you home

Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:44

Thats sounds terrible, glad you're in a better place now

More_Inspection27612025-12-03 02:59

I am and thank you

repalec2025-12-03 02:36

They likely did, given Hulk and Rocket knew exactly where to find him. He was in a full-tilt alcoholic depression during the Blip; just because your friends check in every now and then doesn't mean you get past it.

EckimusPrime2025-12-03 02:38

He probably stopped showering

Buhos_En_Pantelones2025-12-03 02:48

Cuz movie.

Obraxiss2025-12-03 02:53

This has been a really interesting discussion, Thanks to everyone who's contrbuted, even if we didn't agree on certain points. Should definatly rewatch endgame

Arcade19802025-12-03 02:56

Chris Hemsworth did such a good job with the sadness, even after multiple rewatches, it's hard to watch.

Defiant_Wheel48882025-12-03 03:18

I think in marvel zombie they shown it much depression state thor who does not talk who does not do anything just sit in chair. so basically in that stage he would have isolated himself.

shellexyz2025-12-03 03:28

They kinda are massive assholes. Saving the world, no problem. Saving each other? Now that’s gonna be an issue.

This falls under the “Tony really needed to make sure the Avengers’ health insurance covered mental health” problem.

skida19862025-12-03 03:35

Ehh Thor was the outsider and a “God” so they were probably like I would be and think “fuck him whatever” we got our own problems.

Grape_Appropriate2025-12-03 03:36

Bc he lost his hotness

Obraxiss2025-12-03 03:37

Now this is the true answer lol

StankoMicin2025-12-03 03:48

Let's be real. The Avengers are horrible friends. They are very much coworkers first snd companions second

Obraxiss2025-12-03 03:49

I kinda hope that the New Avengers are closer, (If we ever see them past Doomsday)

Portland_st2025-12-03 03:48

Most realistic part of the MCU.
No one ever checks on the emotional state of men.

Kindly-Chemistry51492025-12-03 03:50

Have you ever had a friend with self destructive tendencies? You of course show up and chat, but you can't force someone to change. They have to want to change.

N7VHung2025-12-03 04:08

The world was falling apart. Entire governments fell, and they were trying to manage and subdue the chaos.

There are hints about it throughout the movie. Things just went to complete shit, and they were all dealing with it in their own different ways. One key similarity is they all seemed to isolate in some way.

RemoteRepublic68822025-12-03 04:08

They're busy.

And I'm sure Thor didn't want any help and sympathies.

zzzarkt2025-12-03 04:09

Because korg told them to piss off.

DeityAlwaysWins2025-12-03 04:09

Said by someone who has never had depression.

Realistic-Buy49752025-12-03 04:27

Have you ever had a friend with serious depression?

WORTHLESS13212020192025-12-03 04:29

they probably tried and sent them away. Valkyrie said to Raccoon and Green guy "He won't see you".

Racoon and Green guy prob had a lucky break in Endgame.

BetterThanOP2025-12-03 04:32

"Hey Thor how are you doing"

"Wow cap it's so good to see you! Come in and have a drink"

"Sure buddy, we should probably talk about what happened between us and Than-"

"DONT USE THAT NAME GET OUT OF HERE IF ALL YOU WANT TO TALL ABOUT IS HIM!"

Procyon-Rocket2025-12-03 04:35

Rocket is the only one who ever comforted him about Loki's death, and gave him a new eye to boot

Also the one who helped him confront his mom in the past

The Avengers seem like work colleagues who don't really care to check up on the others after the job is done

I wish Thor had spent more time with the Guardians in that one movie

Tony_Rags2025-12-03 05:39

They really dropped the ball by kicking out the Guardians early in Thor 4. Well, there were a ton of problems with that film, but a more serious Thor with the comedy of the Guardians could have been fun to watch.

wonderlandisburning2025-12-03 04:42

They're busy, they're all just so busy

Fire_Queen9182025-12-03 05:07

Blip related questions I have:
- why didn't anyone check on Clint or Thor?
-why didn't anyone check on the families of the blipped avengers? Like Sarah Wilson, or the langs, etc.
- why was Steve hosting grief/loss counseling when he didnt bother to check on his teammates who were really struggling? (Especially Clint and Thor)
- how is Tony surviving off grid (low tech) in a cabin in the woods? Is he running a local mechanic shop to pass the time?
-why did the avengers just let bruce become "smart hulk"? Like no one checked on him either?
-why does Natasha seem like the only sane one and yet she thinks shes crazy cause shes talking to Rocket?

Inevitable_Ferret_482025-12-03 05:12

The guy was depressed and pushed everyone away. Thor isolated himself, and it made sense because of everything he had been through. At the same time, the original six Avengers were dealing with their own shit. Tony had a kid, Cap was trying to rebuild what everyone else had lost, Nat was falling apart, and Clint was out hunting down mob members. They were all carrying their own weight.

Fun_Pause_49342025-12-03 05:13

same reason no one checks up on me bc they give up

Obraxiss2025-12-03 05:15

Really sorry about that dude, hope things get better

WretchedBlowhard2025-12-03 05:34

Thor is over 1,500 years old and is still barely in his 30's by our standards. 5 years is nothing to him. Stop feeling bad for the guy that abandoned humanity for hundreds of years until his dad needed a timeout corner for his asshole kid.

kennyofthegulch2025-12-03 05:39

You’ve never met anyone with enabled depression, have you?

And I don’t think no one’s checked up on him, but I suspect it’s been restricted to Bruce & maybe Rocket. And Valkyrie’s been keeping an eye on him, too.

Ally_Ooop2025-12-03 05:41

Here’s the thing too - he has lost a lot in a small amount of time. When you lose people, sometimes those close to you don’t know how to help or what to say. So they do nothing. And don’t reach out. It can be very isolating.

MisterSpicy2025-12-03 05:54

I bet Steve did

Mikko4202025-12-03 06:09

They're all adults and all busy. Thor can 100% watch after himself.

chemgeek242025-12-03 06:29

I mean why would they? The world stopped for five years.

GentlemanJugg2025-12-03 06:46

He’s a god

TrinityCodex2025-12-03 07:15

Hes a full grown Asgardian, approximately 1,500 years old. He can handle himself

Sharikacat2025-12-03 07:18

Remember that Thor has a massively longer lifespan than humans. While most everyone else left on Earth had to quickly learn to process their new reality and salvage world order, Thor's grief is working on a difference timescale. Where a human might take a week to be a depressed lump before putting on their Avenger pants and taking a leadership role, Thor's longevity means his "week" of depression is years. Compounding his downward spiral was the fact that he was the only one who could hit Thanos. He had one shot, one opportunity, and he let it slip. He's bearing the weight of half the universe's death on his shoulders.

While the movie often played it for laughs, the reasons above are why I find "fat Thor" to be somewhat on point. The humans couldn't afford to take a gentle approach with him because they have to keep order across the world, and people like Rhodey give him shit because they can't afford the luxury of taking time off. All they can do is give him space. You'd think a warrior like Thor could have handled loss better, but, again, half the universe got dusted because he didn't start with a kill-shot.

semperknight2025-12-03 07:32

I'm sure they tried in the beginning.

But then something else was going on. Half of everyone was dead at the exact same time. And the Avengers, which were already split up about in half (Civil War), were LITERALLY split up in half.

Point is, if he's not going to help, they have to help those they can.

BulletProofEnoch2025-12-03 07:56

Half the population was presumably dead

Everything was holding on to their personal ways of meaning in the aftermath

And to the person who said Tony lost the least, he lost and couldnt save Peter

The kid he brought into all this

Honestly outside of Clint OG Avengers wise, he lost the most as a result of the Blip

Hulk, Nat, Cap had lost most of everything if not everything long before the first Avengers

Thor had lost the most right before

Even that the Winter Soldier had murdered Tony’s family to which he had fairly recently found out before that too.

Really the biggest loss other than Tony was Clint and he lost his own kids. Not family and friends who existed for centuries.

Clint was going down a path of self destruction that makes Thor just look lazy and self-pitying.

The two that should be asked why they didnt check in on Thor, is Cap and Nat.

DaddlerTheDalek2025-12-03 07:59

Thor was just helping in Korg and Mieks quest to defeat noobmaster69.

shadowolf18172025-12-03 08:03

For the plot's sake🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

thatguywotsaysstuff2025-12-03 13:53

Except for Age of Ultron, Thor doesn't really spend any time with the Avengers. After that, from the Avenger's perspective, he goes off-world and isn't seen again until he appears at the Battle of Wakanda in Infinity War. I doubt any of the team are really all that close to him.

BreakSuitable1682025-12-03 21:34

They were making fun of him the entire time during the heist prep. The Avengers are a bunch of jock douchebags and Rhodey of all people is the worst of them. At least Thor can still use his legs.

LightningLass772025-12-04 01:39

The Avengers are co-workers and work friends. Thor said it himself.

Bluewizardtx12025-12-04 01:56

Pretty sure there was a lot of depression going on. Kinda hard to clean someone else's house when yours is still dirty. Know what I mean?

bleeditoutmtm2025-12-04 02:41

Do you regularly check on the people you worked with over the years?

captain-deadpool_192025-12-04 07:20

Everyone had a lot on their plate to deal with after the blip, and Thor isolated himself, refusing to see others and only coming out for supplies (beer)