The post credit scene in Brave New World still makes absolutely no sense. Idk what the hell The Leader was talking about when he was warning Sam.
eBICgamer20102025-12-02 23:32
Does he know?
JyconX2025-12-02 23:32
Getting Banner's blood into his brain amplified his intellect and especially mathemathical abilities. During the main plot, he had mainly used them to calculate probabilities and execute his revenge plan on Thaddeus Ross.
In the post-credit scene, the "other worlds" he mentioned are obviously the other timelines/universes of the multiverse. There are actually scientists in the real world who believe in the existence of the multiverse based on mathematical theories (physics use math and equations, after all). So it's obvious his amplified brain allowed Sterns to make calculations himself to discover that the multiverse does indeed exist in the MCU.
Overall_Affect_27822025-12-03 00:45
“There are actually scientists in the real world who believe in the existence of the multiverse”
The first lines of dialogue of Andrew Garfield’s Peter Parker in *No Way Home* speak exactly on this:
“Wow….string theory, multi-dimensional reality, and matter displacement. All real?”
So while one could argue the multiverse is being used poorly by Marvel for nostalgia bait and yada yada, there is actual science behind the idea and has been for years.
BenderIsGreatBendr2025-12-03 00:54
Tom Holland’s Spider-Man has a similar line in Far From Home when he meets Mysterio
“Im from earth-833, this is earth-616”
“Wait… are you telling me the multiverse is *real* ?”
CaptHayfever2025-12-03 01:54
Right, but the end of that movie very likely made him a skeptic again.
BenderIsGreatBendr2025-12-03 02:00
IDK how he would be a skeptic of anything.
By this point he’s met iron man, fought captain america, gone to space, battled thanos, been part of 1/2 life in the universe that was destroyed, and been brought home to a world where the other half have lived 5 years that he didn’t experience (a problem that was resolved via time-travel).
The multiverse seems plausible (and almost like small potatoes) considering all he’s seen in his short career by the time of Far From Home.
CaptHayfever2025-12-03 02:07
Because the person he met who claimed to be from another universe turned out to be a con man.
BenderIsGreatBendr2025-12-03 02:10
🤷🏻♂️
Maybe for a moment, but less than a month later he’d have the multiverse leaking every Spider-Man and villain variant marvel has had to screen.
The timeline on Spider-Man is FAST and jam-packed compared to the other heroes.
And honestly if he were a reasonable person he’d think it’s still likely. In 2-3 years he’s lived to see: aliens/alien technology, superheroes, actual magic, space travel, and he at least knows that time travel is also possible. Again the multiverse seems pretty feasible and small potatoes compared to what he’s seen in a couple years.
CaptHayfever2025-12-03 02:11
About 4-5 months later, but yes.
BenderIsGreatBendr2025-12-03 02:13
It’s the same summer. Far from home is supposed to end June 2024, no way home starts summer/fall 2024 with the first day of school. It’s been less than 3 months (although the MCU “calendar date timeline” is a moving target and not always consistent)
therealmonkyking2025-12-03 20:05
And then the one after that proved the theory
CaptHayfever2025-12-03 20:13
Right. I just mean that *for the few months between* finding out Mysterio was a fraud & then coming face-to-face with REAL people from other universes, he would've been more skeptical of the idea.
Herbizarre172025-12-03 01:15
I may be wrong but I don’t think real life scientists believe in the multiverse the way pop culture uses it. They don’t believe there are multiple universes or worlds you can go to and be like “oh hey it’s a variant of me” or whatever. It’s more like a multiverse of probabilities. It’s more complex than that but I don’t think they believe in the multiverse in the way that people watching the MCU might understand it to be.
JyconX2025-12-03 01:57
I know that. I was talking about multiverses in general, not only about ones described in pop-cultures.
Cypher_862025-12-03 01:59
At this point both the events from Endgame and No Way Home have demonstrated the existence of the multiverse in a tangible way - Sterns would have no doubt "found" government reports about these events (MoM too, although its less likely there's any records of that).
Fishyhead812025-12-02 23:33
Multiversal threats. The Leader has advanced enough knowledge to know that it is inevitable that soon something from outside their universe is going to attack and he’s giving Sam the heads up to be prepared. I.e Doom and all that’s going on with Doomsday and Secret Wars.
Realistic_Analyst_262025-12-03 01:31
I don’t think he knows that it is a multiversal threat specifically but he knows it is a great threat that will take advantage of the lack of preparation of the world. The Avengers are not built yet and stakes are rising and all it takes is one good strike to knock all the pieces off the table.
Mizerous2025-12-03 16:58
How? How does big brain = multiverse knowledge including Doom.
SkekJay2025-12-04 22:51
It's more big brain = knowing Multiverse exists -> other people in the Multiverse know it exists -> those universes will attack his own universe -> better warn Sam so he doesn't die
He doesn't know about Doom specifically, he just can't. But he does know that someone with mightier knowledge and technology will come to conquer their world and he'd rather get ahead of the curve so that even though he is imprisoned, he's still alive and could possibly get out with a good enough argument or plan.
Ordinary-Chain-80472025-12-02 23:34
I think he saw that there’s a 100% chance of someone coming
Aromatic-Cupcake48022025-12-02 23:35
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Mysterious_Brush18522025-12-02 23:36
In no way was that made clear whatsoever by the scene
JyconX2025-12-02 23:47
False
disneylegospider12025-12-02 23:57
No, the director was talking about the Illuminati being in an early draft of the movie, not that the post credits scene was about them.
chickenkebaap2025-12-03 00:31
My guess is that it’s a scene from doomsday and that he knows about the incursions that yelena mentioned.
When sam meets Ross in his cell , his arm is in a sling.
When he meets sterns , he is shown to be completely healed.
rexepic75672025-12-03 01:26
He was explaining that the threats will come from the multiverse soon
mastyrwerk2025-12-03 13:29
Up to this point, with all the other characters dealing with timelines and other dimensions, no one has told Sam. This is his introduction to the larger story.
I admit it’s a bit hamfisted, but at least now he knows.
Ok-disaster20222025-12-02 23:56
Man says he likes job and wants future job
labbla2025-12-03 02:12
Tim Blake Nelson would like money to act out a script.
CaptHayfever2025-12-03 01:55
I'm glad he wasn't soured on the experience after having to redo his whole part with the new makeup.
AdmiralCharleston2025-12-03 11:32
He should 1000% be dooms right hand man in the next few avengers films. The way he was talking about probability and they multiverse in BNW really made him feel like he could be the ebony maw to doomsday thanos
Kagir2025-12-03 16:37
The way Sterns thinks could lead Doom straight to Franklin Richards and maybe more vital pieces like Love, Thor’s adopted daughter. I reckon he has more stops after that.
mastyrwerk2025-12-03 13:26
Hopefully they fix his head. Whoever did the redesign needs to be fired.
Soulwarfare422025-12-03 13:37
If they can somehow get universal to greenlist a Solo Hulk Film
Maybe we can finally get a Hulk vs The Leader film
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In the post-credit scene, the "other worlds" he mentioned are obviously the other timelines/universes of the multiverse. There are actually scientists in the real world who believe in the existence of the multiverse based on mathematical theories (physics use math and equations, after all). So it's obvious his amplified brain allowed Sterns to make calculations himself to discover that the multiverse does indeed exist in the MCU.
The first lines of dialogue of Andrew Garfield’s Peter Parker in *No Way Home* speak exactly on this:
“Wow….string theory, multi-dimensional reality, and matter displacement. All real?”
So while one could argue the multiverse is being used poorly by Marvel for nostalgia bait and yada yada, there is actual science behind the idea and has been for years.
“Im from earth-833, this is earth-616”
“Wait… are you telling me the multiverse is *real* ?”
By this point he’s met iron man, fought captain america, gone to space, battled thanos, been part of 1/2 life in the universe that was destroyed, and been brought home to a world where the other half have lived 5 years that he didn’t experience (a problem that was resolved via time-travel).
The multiverse seems plausible (and almost like small potatoes) considering all he’s seen in his short career by the time of Far From Home.
Maybe for a moment, but less than a month later he’d have the multiverse leaking every Spider-Man and villain variant marvel has had to screen.
The timeline on Spider-Man is FAST and jam-packed compared to the other heroes.
And honestly if he were a reasonable person he’d think it’s still likely. In 2-3 years he’s lived to see: aliens/alien technology, superheroes, actual magic, space travel, and he at least knows that time travel is also possible. Again the multiverse seems pretty feasible and small potatoes compared to what he’s seen in a couple years.
He doesn't know about Doom specifically, he just can't. But he does know that someone with mightier knowledge and technology will come to conquer their world and he'd rather get ahead of the curve so that even though he is imprisoned, he's still alive and could possibly get out with a good enough argument or plan.
When sam meets Ross in his cell , his arm is in a sling.
When he meets sterns , he is shown to be completely healed.
I admit it’s a bit hamfisted, but at least now he knows.
Maybe we can finally get a Hulk vs The Leader film