Doomsday presentation in Italy confirms The Avengers lineup led by Sam Wilson/Captain America
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_Lunafreya_2025-12-02 23:18
No women? Not even Captain Marvel?
Astrocomet252025-12-02 23:20
You cant see it, but Awkwafina was the next one after Simu Liu
/s
kulitchipon2025-12-03 00:11
You joke but I'm one of the very very few who'd love to see Katy T.T
PayneTrain1819992025-12-02 23:26
There are more castings coming, and I think Carol has to be there considering Monica is stuck in presumably the same universe where all these X-Men are coming from.
Aromatic-Cupcake48022025-12-02 23:29
The presentation only focused on the announced 27 characters.
eagc72025-12-02 23:36
They are keeping focus on the already announced characters, if there's anyone else besides the ones they confirmed, they ain't telling us right now
JulietteKatze2025-12-02 23:40
These are the Avengers from the 1488 universe led by Captain America First.
_jackychain2025-12-02 23:19
This movie is so weird. Utter sausage fest.
YesOkWhoCares2025-12-02 23:27
Yea, let's not put all the characters people actually want to see in it. Makes sense to me
_jackychain2025-12-02 23:34
It’s just dumb what they’re doing. What is the point of hiding people like Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel? The Marvels is our best set up for this movie and the fact they didn’t reveal either of the marvels is kinda insulting to the fans? Monica is literally in the x men universe. What would be the point of hiding them? This movie desperately needs some heavy hitters.
Where are storm and Jean? How are you going to get all the x men back except for them?
TypeExpert2025-12-03 00:12
>The Marvels is our best set up for this movie and the fact they didn’t reveal either of the marvels is kinda insulting to the fans?
You talk like that movie did amazing at the box and was well received by fans and critics. You overestimate just how many people have even seen that movie. The only people who would be mad if they completely ignore it would be the people on this subreddit. Maybe some on Twitter too.
_jackychain2025-12-03 01:34
I’m not saying that it was popular or whatever. I’m talking about the facts. The FACT is that we last see Monica in an x men universe with Kelsey Grammars Beast, and Carol vowing to find her one day or something like that. You’re telling me that they’re going to leave those 3 characters out when it’s literally our clearest doomsday plot set up so far besides doom taking Franklin?
quantumpencil2025-12-02 23:30
Clearly regardless of what people on the forums think, the reality disney saw in their own sales data/nalytics was that the attempt to pivot the brand to focus more on female characters didn't work financially, and they've started backpeddling hard. Expect more of this.
henningknows2025-12-02 23:20
Meh. He has some big shoes to fill and so far he hasn’t been doing the best job
LnStrngr2025-12-02 23:39
If by "he" you mean the bean counters, showrunners, writers, producers, directors, etc., etc..
henningknows2025-12-02 23:41
I mean all of those and the actor. He isn’t charismatic enough to play the lead
TIAFS2025-12-02 23:46
I just think they need to give him the serum.
henningknows2025-12-02 23:47
Maybe that would help
witcherstrife2025-12-02 23:45
Sam sucks and the actor sucks (too smug, not sure if thats him or the direction). His little grin, i can't take him seriously.
Pseudocaesar2025-12-02 23:54
100%. Absolutely nowhere near leading man quality.
Fine as a backup character/actor but not lead
vivianvisionsburner2025-12-02 23:20
Sausage fest. I thought they'd at least squeeze Shuri on here or have Yelena be like the NA rep for DD.
How did we go backward from 2012 lol
NowWeGetSerious2025-12-02 23:28
Yelena is part of the New avengers, via thunderbolt.
Sam might have Suri on his side, but just like Tchala, she may not really pick a side.
So, which female hero would join Sam's team?
Kate Bishop? But she's building up the young avengers included with her is Ms. marvel, Ironheart, Ant Man's daughter, etc
The only other female that we only of, that could work is Captain Marvel..
vivianvisionsburner2025-12-02 23:32
That's why I said
> or have Yelena be like the NA rep
NA means New Avengers. We know the teams are mixing and matching.
Reading comprehension people
There's Wasp, She-Hulk, Captain Marvel, and plenty of others that they can literally do whatever they want with because they are making the movie. Like I don't understand this constrictive mindset you people hold.
NowWeGetSerious2025-12-02 23:34
Funny, read the OP title.
The Avengers line up.
Not the New Avengers line up
Yelena is in this movie... But this is the official Avengers line up. English, you comprehend?
Avengers... Not NA. Not New Avengers.
Avengers
... Ya know, the one that Sam Wilson is now leading into the name Captain America.
-Darkslayer2025-12-02 23:53
Oh good grief. This is the most stupid nitpick possible. Just write a good movie, I don’t care if it’s about men or women.
LeadingAccording67482025-12-02 23:21
Where's the girls? I would of thought at least Shuri or Captain Marvel would be in it
MC_chrome2025-12-02 23:23
Florence Pugh is reprising her role as Yelena in Doomsday
LeadingAccording67482025-12-02 23:27
Im talking about the main avengers team/Sam's avengers
PayneTrain1819992025-12-02 23:28
They’ll all join forces at some point anyway so who cares?
LeadingAccording67482025-12-02 23:31
It was just a observation, don't get your panties in a twist
Acrobatic-Cow-4602025-12-02 23:24
Shuri is with the Wakandans, Mbaku and Namor
LeadingAccording67482025-12-02 23:27
I know that. But I just mean they should have at least 1 girl on the team lol
Acrobatic-Cow-4602025-12-02 23:29
Who said there isn't? we have heroes like Captain Marvel and She Hulk that might be there and just weren't confirmed yet, same way Hulk and Dr Strange should be in the Avengers line up but aren't.
Also you have a lot of female characters that are in different teams like the Fantastic 4, X-Men and Young Avengers
vinnybawbaw2025-12-02 23:29
Vanessa Kirby, Laetitia Wright, Florence Pugh, Hannah-John Kamen, Rebecca Romjin and I think I’m forgetting a few others but they were all confirmed in the same presentation. There’s like 4-5 slides of actors like that one.
LeadingAccording67482025-12-02 23:31
Can you not read? I said its weird SAMS team doesnt have a woman on it specifically
Trauma_Hawks2025-12-02 23:25
This is the photo taken from another set posted earlier. It shows the full classic X-Men group, with ?Mystique. It also showed Shuri, Ghost, and Yelena. Presumably, the F4 will be in it, complete with Sue Storm.
PayneTrain1819992025-12-02 23:27
Everyone you just mentioned was confirmed in March.
Trauma_Hawks2025-12-02 23:29
Right, which is why I'm not sure why other people are making a stink about there not being women.
XenonBug2025-12-02 23:39
Because they think that graph they’re showing for Sam’s Avengers team (the main Avengers team) is what the team actually is lmao
FrostedGeist2025-12-04 04:47
Likely cause in the beginning of the phase, there were people moaning and groaning about the "M-SHE-U" cause apparently they introduced so many female characters (imo they didn't introduce enough relevant ones frankly). So now people's expectations were let down in some way.
Still personally I'm still waiting for an mcu x-men team that has storm, jean and rouge. Probably wont be in the next avengers though but oh well.
Acrobatic-Cow-4602025-12-02 23:25
"where are all the women" why are we acting like it's set in stone? every women we got confirmed is a part of other teams and for y'all saying Captain Marvel and She Hulk well they weren't confirmed were they? same way Dr Strange and Hulk should be in this line up but not because **they weren't confirmed**
PayneTrain1819992025-12-02 23:27
Anyone making “where are the women” comments clearly don’t know that this is not the full cast, there are multiple women already confirmed and there will likely be more in the actual movie.
Responsible_Egg75192025-12-02 23:31
I mean that’s still, what, 4-5 more women at most? Even with them it would still skew male by far
Commercial_Site6222025-12-02 23:35
Marvel skews more male regarding its heroes so that would make sense, yes.
FrostedGeist2025-12-04 04:54
Considering how big the MCU is and how many kids watch it, including little girls who can possible become interested with comics-- surely you understand why people would like more female characters in marvel teams?
They're not pointing out the ratio as if it was a surprising fact, but rather to point out something Marvel should work towards improving on.
PayneTrain1819992025-12-02 23:35
Most MCU team movies have skewed towards the men with a few with near 50/50.
The_Great_Man_Potato2025-12-02 23:44
Thanos not teach you that not everything has to be perfectly balanced?
PaceTall51222025-12-04 02:48
exactly a lack of female Avengers !!! So many characters to choose from ! I read the Secret War mini series !!! Spider Woman & She Hulk
Bobo30762025-12-02 23:39
They seem to be assuming there will be 6 whole people in the movie
PayneTrain1819992025-12-02 23:57
It’s not 2012 Avengers anymore.
Sir__Will2025-12-03 21:11
No. But there are like 5 women confirmed and 20+ men.
moonknightcrawler2025-12-02 23:54
I mean, it’s also possible that you’re misunderstanding the comments entirely in that I’ve seen people asking where the women are on Sam’s team specifically. In which, if that is the case, the rest of the cast has no bearing on the question being asked.
PayneTrain1819992025-12-02 23:56
And I’m saying that women like Carol might be on his team but aren’t actually confirmed for the movie yet.
Sam’s team will likely also be mixed in with the other teams by the end of the movie, spreading out the female representation.
grayrock992025-12-03 00:05
For real, I feel like people are being intentionally obtuse on this. Fans are allowed to be confused why characters that were shoo-ins on paper like Wasp, Captain Marvel, and She-Hulk are missing (I know Wasp “retired” from acting but still).
Sun_flower_king2025-12-02 23:28
Idk if this is actually the confirmed shortlist or not, but it doesn't make any sense for Loki, the God of Stories, to join the ranks of new Cap's avengers team. Also, this team is missing Danvers, Banner, and Wong, who are the only 3 people other than Wilson that have been hinted to comprise the new non-thunderbolt avengers lineup and the only avengers who have met Shang-Chi. I wouldn't read too much into this.
Aromatic-Cupcake48022025-12-02 23:36
The presentation only showed the confirmed 27 characters we already know about. There’s definitely more.
Sun_flower_king2025-12-02 23:43
Ah ok. So this is part of the list of 27 names we already knew. That makes more sense.
Altruistic_Eye_11572025-12-02 23:58
In fact, Loki joining the Avengers makes perfect sense. If the multiverse is in danger and Loki knows he's the villain's target, the best thing to do is find allies, and it seems more logical to me that he'd seek the help of his brother and the group of heroes he already knows are capable of great feats when they're united.
It seems more logical to me than the idea the fandom and insiders had of Loki sitting on his throne the entire movie, entrusting his life—and basically the multiverse's last line of defense—to Deadpool, Logan, a Spider-Man on the verge of retirement, a retired Captain America (who doesn't even know any of the others), and Ghost Rider, just for "nostalgia."
Sun_flower_king2025-12-02 23:59
How can he join the avengers when he's literally holding the branches of the timeline together through sheer force of will..?
It's possible that you're right but they definitely have not shown us yet how we're supposed to go from point A (Loki physically holding together the threads of time) to point B (Loki running around as if he never committed to that sacrifice)
Blindfolded222025-12-03 21:32
This is what bothers me. I love being able to see more Loki in my life. But I’m not sure how they do that without taking away from his sacrifice. Unless it’s another variant.
Zylice2025-12-03 22:44
Astral projection is assume.
Ok_Designer_89122025-12-03 23:48
Hes a god. And it wouldn't be the first time hes made copies of himself, right? Maybe he doesn't have to be in one place to hold reality together. Maybe its just his very existence will evolve to where he can just hold it together by existing. Its not going to be a different variant, it will be the version from the TV series most likely.
It could potentially be a situation where Loki is the one who reaches out across time to help them even with how powerful he is now, maybe hes the one who ends up warning them, who knows. Im eager to see though.
This film needs to be major, Loki cant be some side character either, this needs to be on par with or better than infinity war to keep people interested in the future of the MCU imo.
FewWatermelonlesson02025-12-02 23:30
nocturnalfrolic2025-12-02 23:35
Anthony Mackie still knows something about you but he aint telling.
AsteroidMike2025-12-03 22:24
That pic of his always gets me lol
AntonChigurh89332025-12-03 22:49
Odd-Sound-5802025-12-04 01:08
wrong gif
ninoboy092025-12-04 06:05
To be fair, I was also trying to search "bucky and falcon back of the car" and this gif keeps popping up
Novel-Feed67962025-12-04 07:19
He knows what you did last summer.../s
mrbaryonyx2025-12-04 17:16
"they don't know that my real name's Clarence"
euphoriapotion2025-12-02 23:42
Does it? He's 4th in the picture. The first picture is of Thor, who is the OG Avenger. How does it prove that Sam will lead them?
This is a genuine question, I know nothing of what happened or what was said in Italy
Street_Mall95362025-12-02 23:53
He tells everyone to do better, and then they do.
kulitchipon2025-12-03 00:07
Sam uses Talk No Jutsu! It's super effective!
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:13
"oh before Sam told me to do better I never even thought about it, because I have no thoughts and he's the only one smart enough!"
EcksFountain1322025-12-04 07:11
He tries to defeat Doom by telling him to do better. Sadly Doom interprets that as improving his genocide skills.
Illmattic2025-12-02 23:53
I would kind of love Thor running it over Sam. Make him less jokey and more genuine, that would be a great end to his arc.
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:01
that would be a great way to start him on the "worthy king of Asgard" storyline too if they decide to do that
Illmattic2025-12-03 00:01
Hell yeah, I’m all for that
DynastyZealot2025-12-03 00:19
We need a return to Noble Thor
Fastbird332025-12-04 01:51
He’s also the only one who Loki would respect enough to follow.
eaguayo2025-12-04 04:23
I think they should just make him return to be king of the Asgardians instead. But it will be nice hearing him say Avengers Assemble and saving the day as a way to redeem himself after being defeated by Thanos twice.
ImmaDoMahThing2025-12-02 23:54
Maybe it’s just assumed based off of Captain America 4 and Thunder Bolts
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:14
idk, in Thunderbolts Sam doesn't even have a team, he just has Torres.
moonknightcrawler2025-12-02 23:55
Because Captain America leads the Avengers
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:07
Steve's Captain America did. Who did Sam lead in Brave New World? Torres and that's it. Even Bucky is now part of Thunderbolts who are led by Yelena. And Thunderbolts anre now known as New Avengers... And Yelena won't give up a leadership to anyone, especially people she doesn't know (like Sam).
Shin-Kaiser2025-12-03 00:19
After Endgame, the Avengers had disbanded. Didn't President Ross ask Sam to start the Avengers again in Brave New World?
The Thunderbolts are a completely different team and the rumour is they will fight against the (Sam led) Avengers in Doomsday.
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:24
He did, but Sam has NOBODY on his team except for Torres. Not even Bucky's on his team. So again, who's he going to elad since there are NO Avengers for Sam to lead?
EcksFountain1322025-12-03 22:17
Which is ironic since Ross was responsible for the breakup of the Avengers.
zzyul2025-12-04 06:48
Feige really dropped the ball since Endgame. They decided to do the multiverse then whiffed on so much potential. Sam Wilson as Captain America makes no sense, but Isaiah Bradley does. Pull him in from another universe where the US Government put him on ice (like what Hydra did with Bucky), instead of just arresting him after the Vietnam War. Then in the 2000s his Fury found out and woke him up to lead his version of the Avengers. You get the “man out of time” perspective that made Cap interesting while also examining societies racial differences and similarities from when he was frozen to today. Instead we got Falcon with a shield in a Hulk sequel without the Hulk.
kulitchipon2025-12-03 00:08
I'd think that's more Steve than whoever wields the shield, but I could be wrong.
Adipay2025-12-03 20:59
Steve Rogers led the Avengers because he earned it. Sam Wilson will lead the Avengers because Steve Rogers earned it.
EcksFountain1322025-12-03 22:20
Nick Fury basically appointed Steve as leader, but yes he earned it as well.
PayneTrain1819992025-12-02 23:57
People are taking this first bit of news as gospel and already jumping to conclusions when we don’t even know how the movie is going to go yet.
This team might last 30 minutes before joining forces with the Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four.
chickenkebaap2025-12-03 00:13
And X men
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:14
I wouldn't be surprised, honestly.
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-03 21:28
This picture doesn’t even confirm they are part of an in movie lineup. It’s literally just pictures of some of the cast on a slide.
kulitchipon2025-12-03 00:07
Is it automatic that whoever has the shield = the leader?
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:10
why would it be? If that were the truth, John Walker would be the leader of the Avengers in FATWS and he only had one partner and they weren't called Avengers
kulitchipon2025-12-03 00:10
Exactly. So why would Sam automatically be the leader in this lineup?
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:12
Which is why I asked "how does it prove that Sam will lead them"? Because OP said that "this proves Sam leads Avengers." Which... They still haven't answered my question after stating this as truth and gospel
kulitchipon2025-12-03 00:13
Too true lmao
Shin-Kaiser2025-12-03 00:16
The Avengers didn't exist in FATWS, they had disbanded after Endgame
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:24
which just proves my point that Sam has nobody to lead
Shin-Kaiser2025-12-03 00:29
She Hulk, Shang Chi, Thor, Shuri.....
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:36
again, the only two Sam has met are Thor and Shuri. Thor's off world and has no mobile phone. I doubt Shuri left any address or phone number for Avengers when she left Wakanda. As far as we know, Sam has never even heard of Jennifer or Shang-Chi
EcksFountain1322025-12-03 22:19
No its not. Steve didn't have the shield for several years between Civil War and Endgame, but he was still de facto leader of the Avengers- at least the ones who weren't with Tony.
The Avengers aren't a hereditary monarchy in which a person just inherits the rank of leader because they are Captain America/have the shield. In the comics, they had multiple leaders including Wasp, Rogue, Bucky and even Wolverine.
Shin-Kaiser2025-12-03 00:13
Sam is Captain America, he will lead the Team as Steve Rogers did in the OG Avengers. Thor is more powerful (and Hemsworth is obviously paid more, hence being 1st here), but he's not a team leader.
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:23
what team? At the end of the Endgame, everyone went their separate ways. Last time we saw Sam he only had Torres on his team, there was no mention of Thor (who's busy with Love as they travel the galaxy as seen in Love and Thunder), Hulk is back on Sakkar (She-Hulk), Clint's retired (Hawkeye), Vision and Wanda are both dead (WandaVision, Agatha All Along), nobody remembers Spider-Man, Shuri's in Haiti with Nakia... Who's there for Sam to lead?
Shin-Kaiser2025-12-03 00:27
During Brave New World, President Ross asks Sam to get the Avengers back together. She Hulk is still around, as is Shang Chi and Suri. Pretty sure Thor will come back, there's also Star Lord as well.
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:32
Sam doesn't know them though. Oh, She-Hulk and Shang-Chi are around.... Two people Sam has NEVER met. There's also Miss Marvel, Kate Bishop, Echo, Riri... Again, people Sam has never met, people he probably doesn't even know exist. It would be one thing if he even mentioned them once (or if there was a shot of him watching news coverage as they talk about Shang-Chi for example) to give plausible deniability, but there was nothing. Like the most he can do is call Scott who bring Hope... And that's it. He doesn't know anyone else. They don't know other superheores either.
Shin-Kaiser2025-12-03 00:35
I don't remember Steve Rogers meeting Thor, Bruce Banner, or Tony Stark before the first Avengers movie either....
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:41
You do realize that Nick Fury was the one who got them all together to team up, right? It wasn't Steve who reached out. It was Fury who got them all to the same place. It was Fury who introduced them all. It wasn't Steve.
The whole point is that Sam has basically no contacts because people he knows are either off world or are dead. Or in a different team (like Bucky). The whole point is that he has nobody to add to his team because he doesn't really know people.
Shin-Kaiser2025-12-03 00:48
I think you just answered your own question dude.
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 00:55
I hope you realize that my question "Who is left for Sam to lead" was a rhetorical one as an answer to your "Sam is the new leader of Avengers!!" Because there are no Avengers yet you keep insisting Sam "will lead the team". There is no team for him to lead!!
EcksFountain1322025-12-03 22:22
Thor never deferred to Steve, not really. He was a part-time Avenger, and he was very much a leader- just not on Earth. His leadership duties were to Asgard first.
bookon2025-12-03 21:12
He is called the leader of The OG Avengers in the post credit scene of the Thunderbots.
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 21:37
which is funny considering that out of OG Avengers, 3 are dead (yes, I'm counting Steve as dead), 2 are off-world and the last one is retired lol
maxfridsvault2025-12-03 21:46
there were rumors a while back that Thor would be the “main” Avenger we follow throughout, whether he leads the team or not. thinking that one might have been true.
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 21:49
That would be nice. We need more mature Thor because how they wrote him after Infinity War was absolutely pathetic and horrible
EcksFountain1322025-12-03 22:16
Yeah: Loki and Shang Chi taking orders from anyone, let alone Sam isn't washing with me. Even Thor for that matter.
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 23:31
Exactly!
LRedditor152025-12-05 11:29
Why not Shang-Chi? He’s a young guy with not much superhero experience.
demetriclees2025-12-03 23:36
Pfft...it clearly says that he's the Captain
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 23:42
lol so are Carol and Monica
DumbWhore42025-12-02 23:44
It’s giving M-He-U
Neoxon1932025-12-02 23:44
I mean, Cap 4 literally confirmed as much when Cap said he'd re-assemble the Avengers (further cemented by Thunderbolts post-credits scene). Not a huge surprise.
holycrimsonbatman2025-12-02 23:50
Danny Ramirez’s Falcon is an incredibly unwarranted addition to the cast. Cool, gotta include him for continuity purposes I guess. But you could completely remove him from BNW and nothing changes.
Gamer06072025-12-02 23:56
After the abomination that Brave New World was, I really don't want to see Sam leading anyone.
Mackie had some really heavy lifting to do after Evans and he failed at it.
kulitchipon2025-12-03 00:17
He could lead Torres so it's canon-compliant lmao
UnjustNation2025-12-03 00:26
Yeah I like Mackie in comedic roles like Twisted Metal but he doesn’t really fit leading man material
Sir__Will2025-12-03 21:12
Hyperbolic as fucking hell.
spidervenom6192025-12-02 23:57
Why in the Hell is God of Stories on the Avengers team and not Shuri? Dude should have his own picture with Doom.
If you wanted to make it a complete sausage fest, at least makes it a little more sense lol. Loki would never ever ever joined the Avengers not even for Odinson.
eagc72025-12-03 01:05
Its possible Shuri will not be a proper member of the team, just an ally
A bit like how T'Challa in the MCU was never a proper member of the Avenger, but was still willing to aid them
Now for Loki. that is the big question of the day
Cooper_Sharpy2025-12-02 23:58
I’m still perplexed as to the role Loki will have.. I hope it’s not just a small scene with Thor visiting him as he holds the multiverse together, that would be such a letdown and waste of Tom’s talent.
Jarita122025-12-03 20:58
I am sceptical, given what happened ot Loki in Infinity War.
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-03 21:30
I mean, you saw the Loki show right? He’s stuck there.
Can appear to Thor in a vision. Can get wrecked by Doom whenever Doom powers up enough to visit him. Can’t think of anything else (unless lamely it is yet another multiverse Loki).
Cooper_Sharpy2025-12-03 22:13
I think it would be cool if he could project himself into any timeline he chooses for a short period of time. Not physically but ethereally to offer guidance or help or (knowing Loki) counterintelligence haha
LoveMurder-One2025-12-04 07:37
Loki had such a perfect ending and they are 100% going to ruin it in this movie by doing something stupid or Doom killing him.
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-04 14:45
It sadly seems like it has to be this way.
We know Secret Wars is coming. Hell Feige even spoke of a kind of soft reboot (though he doesn’t like the word reboot) after these Avengers movies. The multiverse is probably ending. And since Loki is keeping it all together and the comic Secret Wars have it falling apart, yeah, looks like Loki is going to get booted off of his “throne”
Zylice2025-12-03 22:45
Most of Lokis best scenes were deleted. They HAVE and DO waste Tom’s talent. They can’t even include him in the intro. 🙄
sillysocks342025-12-04 01:23
I think he will have a major role. His relationship with Thor is one of the last remaining bright spots of the MCU. It would be a huge mistake to not highlight their reunion. Loki turning into an actual hero in Thor’s eyes will be a huge plot point IMO.
Imperfectpuzzlepiece2025-12-02 23:58
Where does it say he’s leading them?
eagc72025-12-03 01:03
I think most assume he's gonna be the leader because he's Captain America and Steve alot of times tends to be the one calling the shots (not always though) and he was tasked to assemble the next iteration of the team at the end of Brave New World and especially considering that the New Avengers main beef was with Sam himself over who gets to use the Avengers name
euphoriapotion2025-12-03 21:45
Except with Steve, the only people he actually recruted were Wanda, Pietro, and Sam (and even then Clint was instrumental in convincing Wanda to help them in the first place). The rest of the people were brought by others (like Scott by Sam) and the OG Avengers were assembled by Coulson and Fury.
Sam has no contacts. Like he only has Torres. At most he can call Scott who will bring Hope, and maybe Clint who will either join and bring Kate, or send Kate in his place. Bucky and Thor are off world so they can't be recruted, Bucky's with Thunderbolts, and he has no idea about Shang-Chi, America, Eternals, or She-Hulk. Has he ever even talked to Strange or Wong? And even then, the Masters keep to themselves. And nobody remembers Peter so there's literally nobody for Sam to lead.
Adorable_Ad_34782025-12-04 05:28
In the comics, sometimes Captain Marvel is the leader. Sometimes it's Black Widow. In the MCU, the leader might be Thor, he's the only one from the OG Avengers confirmed to be in Doomsday.
Common_Ride_39672025-12-09 18:51
That’s honestly really dumb, Thor is 1500 years old and a warrior king, falcon is a DEI hire. It should be Thor leading not falcon. Falcon didn’t even do anything relevant like cap did in the last 2 avengers movies
Jackary12052025-12-11 11:08
Steve Rogers is also pretty much confirmed, Chris Evans was in London ( Where Doomsday was being filmed) with his old Captain America build back. As well as this they were filming scenes in Peggy and Steve's house.
Ravevon2025-12-04 16:03
It feels weird with Thor being so senior
DogHogDJs2025-12-03 00:00
He’s always doing that goddamn smile
Tony_Rags2025-12-03 00:12
I’m sorry but Anthony Mackie does not fit the leadership role. I don’t even think he should be Captain America. I thought he was great as Falcon.
Honestly, I’d love it if Thor just stepped in and took over this team. He needs redemption after Endgame/Thor 4. It can be a start of his arc back to becoming King of Asgard. Now, if Chris Evans shows up as the OG Cap, there is no question that he should lead, but otherwise…
Lots of comments about no women on the team. Don’t worry, we’ll get more as more characters are either announced or revealed.
Shin-Kaiser2025-12-03 00:22
Yawwwwn.
LampyV22025-12-03 00:15
I knew it was happening but seeing Simu Liu up there with the others just fills me with so much joy.
kulitchipon2025-12-03 03:24
UGH YES. His reappearance is long overdue tbh
Tristonia72025-12-03 00:20
The characters just feel so weak. Hopefully the movie changes my mind.
Spare_Result13202025-12-03 05:56
Loki as Avenger Prime?
Altruistic-Adipose2025-12-03 20:57
Nope! No-one is "leading" Loki!
PapillonsRevenge2025-12-03 21:05
It doesn't confirm anything tbh
bookon2025-12-03 21:12
Sam is called the leader of The OG Avengers in the post credit scene of the Thunderbots.
We already knew this.
ckal092025-12-03 21:20
Sam is such a bland character. They should’ve made Bucky Cap, that would’ve been interesting. Sam is just, there.
--Antitheist--2025-12-03 21:38
GLORIOUS PURPOSE!
White_Falcon_12632025-12-03 22:15
Besides thor that's underwhelming
Zylice2025-12-03 22:48
Loki is currently the most powerful character at the moment and you’re not a bit curious as to what he’s going to do?!
CochranVanRamstein2025-12-03 22:16
I wish Anthony Mackie could have just stayed being Sam Wilson/“Falcon” vs. force feeding the whole Cap-thing.
DamnedLife2025-12-03 22:26
Where does it say/confirm Sam is the leader??
morphballganon2025-12-03 22:31
Paul Rudd photo oddly zoomed in compared to the rest
EcksFountain1322025-12-03 22:35
Yeah no: I can't see Loki taking orders from anyone- let alone Sam: or Thor for that matter.
Zylice2025-12-03 22:48
They should be taking guidance from HIM!
AStewartR112025-12-03 22:35
Ugh Danny Ramirez. Kid absolutely cannot act.
NorbertHerbertFrank2025-12-03 22:52
Oh cool, all dudes.
Durakus2025-12-03 22:54
All I know is Anthony Mackie is doing the face and it's killing me.
cmnights2025-12-03 23:04
why you looking at me like that anthony?
Sirius_Space2025-12-03 23:08
How does this confirm he’s gonna lead the avengers. The name Captain in Captain America is just a name, he’s not the actual Captain in the team
bswalsh2025-12-03 23:16
It confirms absolutely nothing of the sort. Confirms it _where_? There's nothing about a leader in the image you posted. Everyone knows the fourth guy from the left is always the leader, right? :) Is he the leader because he's the only one standing sideways, or the only one who looks cheerful? Or the only one wearing a long necktie?
otsim2025-12-04 08:04
Honestly (with the exception of Thor) I would've preferred The New Avengers
Yelena, Walker, Alexei, Bucky, Ava and Bob are just way more fun as a group
Intelligent-Dark-8242025-12-04 18:22
Mid af lineup. Captain Falcon is just a nothing burger of a leader.
CaptHayfever2025-12-04 18:30
I know Loki is in the movie, & *that* makes sense given his current position, but crediting him *as an Avenger* doesn't make sense.
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Where are storm and Jean? How are you going to get all the x men back except for them?
You talk like that movie did amazing at the box and was well received by fans and critics. You overestimate just how many people have even seen that movie. The only people who would be mad if they completely ignore it would be the people on this subreddit. Maybe some on Twitter too.
Fine as a backup character/actor but not lead
How did we go backward from 2012 lol
Sam might have Suri on his side, but just like Tchala, she may not really pick a side.
So, which female hero would join Sam's team?
Kate Bishop? But she's building up the young avengers included with her is Ms. marvel, Ironheart, Ant Man's daughter, etc
The only other female that we only of, that could work is Captain Marvel..
> or have Yelena be like the NA rep
NA means New Avengers. We know the teams are mixing and matching.
Reading comprehension people
There's Wasp, She-Hulk, Captain Marvel, and plenty of others that they can literally do whatever they want with because they are making the movie. Like I don't understand this constrictive mindset you people hold.
The Avengers line up.
Not the New Avengers line up
Yelena is in this movie... But this is the official Avengers line up. English, you comprehend?
Avengers... Not NA. Not New Avengers.
Avengers
... Ya know, the one that Sam Wilson is now leading into the name Captain America.
Also you have a lot of female characters that are in different teams like the Fantastic 4, X-Men and Young Avengers
Still personally I'm still waiting for an mcu x-men team that has storm, jean and rouge. Probably wont be in the next avengers though but oh well.
They're not pointing out the ratio as if it was a surprising fact, but rather to point out something Marvel should work towards improving on.
Sam’s team will likely also be mixed in with the other teams by the end of the movie, spreading out the female representation.
It seems more logical to me than the idea the fandom and insiders had of Loki sitting on his throne the entire movie, entrusting his life—and basically the multiverse's last line of defense—to Deadpool, Logan, a Spider-Man on the verge of retirement, a retired Captain America (who doesn't even know any of the others), and Ghost Rider, just for "nostalgia."
It's possible that you're right but they definitely have not shown us yet how we're supposed to go from point A (Loki physically holding together the threads of time) to point B (Loki running around as if he never committed to that sacrifice)
It could potentially be a situation where Loki is the one who reaches out across time to help them even with how powerful he is now, maybe hes the one who ends up warning them, who knows. Im eager to see though.
This film needs to be major, Loki cant be some side character either, this needs to be on par with or better than infinity war to keep people interested in the future of the MCU imo.
This is a genuine question, I know nothing of what happened or what was said in Italy
The Thunderbolts are a completely different team and the rumour is they will fight against the (Sam led) Avengers in Doomsday.
This team might last 30 minutes before joining forces with the Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four.
The Avengers aren't a hereditary monarchy in which a person just inherits the rank of leader because they are Captain America/have the shield. In the comics, they had multiple leaders including Wasp, Rogue, Bucky and even Wolverine.
The whole point is that Sam has basically no contacts because people he knows are either off world or are dead. Or in a different team (like Bucky). The whole point is that he has nobody to add to his team because he doesn't really know people.
Mackie had some really heavy lifting to do after Evans and he failed at it.
If you wanted to make it a complete sausage fest, at least makes it a little more sense lol. Loki would never ever ever joined the Avengers not even for Odinson.
A bit like how T'Challa in the MCU was never a proper member of the Avenger, but was still willing to aid them
Now for Loki. that is the big question of the day
Can appear to Thor in a vision. Can get wrecked by Doom whenever Doom powers up enough to visit him. Can’t think of anything else (unless lamely it is yet another multiverse Loki).
We know Secret Wars is coming. Hell Feige even spoke of a kind of soft reboot (though he doesn’t like the word reboot) after these Avengers movies. The multiverse is probably ending. And since Loki is keeping it all together and the comic Secret Wars have it falling apart, yeah, looks like Loki is going to get booted off of his “throne”
Sam has no contacts. Like he only has Torres. At most he can call Scott who will bring Hope, and maybe Clint who will either join and bring Kate, or send Kate in his place. Bucky and Thor are off world so they can't be recruted, Bucky's with Thunderbolts, and he has no idea about Shang-Chi, America, Eternals, or She-Hulk. Has he ever even talked to Strange or Wong? And even then, the Masters keep to themselves. And nobody remembers Peter so there's literally nobody for Sam to lead.
Honestly, I’d love it if Thor just stepped in and took over this team. He needs redemption after Endgame/Thor 4. It can be a start of his arc back to becoming King of Asgard. Now, if Chris Evans shows up as the OG Cap, there is no question that he should lead, but otherwise…
Lots of comments about no women on the team. Don’t worry, we’ll get more as more characters are either announced or revealed.
We already knew this.
GLORIOUS PURPOSE!
Yelena, Walker, Alexei, Bucky, Ava and Bob are just way more fun as a group