Why I’m fine with the MCU main universe being 616

For one simple reason:

The MCU movies HAVE to be set in a completely different multiverse than that of the comics. Otherwise, the 2015 Secret Wars comic event would have affected the MCU.

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paperbuddha2025-12-01 05:32

omg that’s so true that’s so crayshee

pissrockious2025-12-01 05:44

wait how would secret wars have affected it?

Segwaye2025-12-01 06:06

Possible basic spoiler for the event and future movies:

As far as I understood when reading it was that ALL universes were either killed off or combined by Doom. So, that would mean that the MCU is either dead or there is a live-action section of Battleworld

Crafted_Pickaxe212025-12-01 22:53

Yeah, that would be weird.

In fact, here's another weird result.

If you hold the interpretation that He Who Remains holds the last of the Multiverse after the Multiversal War, then that would be the reverse situation. Everything condensed into one ring of time.

It would mean weird consequences because, if the comics existed in the same Multiverse as the MCU, that would kill the comics' corner of the Multiverse with no acknowledgement of it inside those stories at all.

(As a side note, I personally think the Multiverse is bigger than HWR's Sacred Timeline though.)

Overall-Gaming782025-12-01 05:45

Fair enough. Plus, their are INFINTE Universes in the Multiverse, so it stands to reason that this would be one of them.

j1h152332025-12-01 05:47

Well as long as you’re alright with it

Durakus2025-12-01 05:50

Huh?

What do you mean? Are you saying the MCU 616 is not the same as the comics 616?

Segwaye2025-12-01 06:07

Idk if this is sarcasm, but yes.
That was essentially confirmed in Multiverse of Madness when Christine tells Strange that his universe is designated 616.

Durakus2025-12-01 06:54

It’s not sarcasm. The wording you put forth between the title and the description sounded like “the movies have to be set in a completely different multiverse” but then you say it’s the same as comic book, Because I know the comic is 616.

Additionally I haven’t read a marvel comic in a very long time. So I have absolutely no context to why the 616 comic verse would affect the movies one.

Crafted_Pickaxe212025-12-01 05:54

Exactly.
Sometimes the craziest discussions have the simplest solutions.

It's just, this shouldn't be necessary because the number 616 has far more instances of use within the canon than 199999 being used in one reference book and one Sony movie (Homecoming's 8 years later come to mind anyone? They have a history.)

In my opinion, the comic issues that have crossovers with the MCU don't outweigh Loki, Multiverse of Madness, and Deadpool & Wolverine.

Sorry for the unload.😞

Rman8232025-12-01 05:55

The timeline book released by Marvel Studios too. You can not like the decision, but I think it’s obvious at this point Marvel Studios sees itself as 616

Crafted_Pickaxe212025-12-01 05:56

Uhhh.
Wut?
I do agree with 616.

Rman8232025-12-01 05:57

And I agree with you, I just meant in a general sense when so many would rather use 199999 when there’s more evidence to the contrary

Crafted_Pickaxe212025-12-01 05:58

Oh. I would personally use the word "people" instead of "you".
Very confusing.

MyWifeTookAllTheKids2025-12-01 05:56

Why are people so against the comic multiverse and the movie multiverse not being the same?

Segwaye2025-12-01 06:02

Idk, it’s just a cool idea that they could be connected. Like an ever-lingering what if…

But it makes sense they aren’t.

Also, I think more people are upset that they used the same designation as the main comic universe.

davwad22025-12-01 06:10

People are against this? They're different media.

eagc72025-12-01 06:24

Its really more that some of the stuff that its established in the MCU, don't align with stuff depicted in the comics

So you have to figure out how does this make sense with the rules established in the comics and so on

If Marvel hadn't done a Multiverse Saga or followed to a tee every multiverse lore from the comics, i don't think anyone would care if they are connected or not

mrbaryonyx2025-12-01 07:22

from personal conversations I've had: some people struggle with the idea of certain things being an "adaptation" and not "an alternate timeline."

Its kind of reflected in how we talk about things. Robert Pattinson's Batman movie is called "Reevesverse" in some corners of the internet, to differentiate it from the DCU or the "Nolanverse".

ipostatrandom2025-12-01 12:44

Well then it should be easy for them to accept alternate numbering systems. Its earth 616 according to earth 838's numbering system but not to others.

We cant even decide on a unified metric system on our own planet, so let alone a numbering system for the whole multiverse.

luvu3330002025-12-01 19:57

We, the reality, should be the 838 looking at how messed up we are...

pigeonwiggle2025-12-01 11:10

people think "infinity" means Everything. but it doesn't.

if the MCU Multiverse meant "all timelines" it would include things like, Home Alone, Problem Child, Indian in the Cupboard, A Few Good Men, The Matrix, The One (with Jet Li!), Hero (with Jet Li!), Black Mask (with Jet Li!), Full House, Family Matters, Big Bang Theory, Frasier, all the I Think You Should Leave sketches, and Ghostbusters 2.

there's an infinite amount of space between the numbers 2 and 3. but that doesn't mean 4 will ever factor in there. because it's outside that set of infinite. there are Infinite infinities, so there's no possible way to count all the different stories that ARE NOT Part of the MCU Multiverse.

even Glover showing up in Sony's Spider-Verse movie isn't necessarily the same Prowler as any we'd be familiar with.

dbkenny4262025-12-01 16:36

"It's confusing" is the normal answer I get, which I find to be absolutely ridiculous.

CaptHayfever2025-12-01 17:11

I'm totally fine with them not being the same multiverse.
I just don't like that they have the same name, because it retroactively made a decade's worth of prior discourse harder to read, as--until the MCU's prime Earth was officially called "616" onscreen--people would just say "616" to refer to the comics' prime Earth when comparing the two.

Markus28222025-12-01 22:41

I’m totally fine with them hypothetically not being the same multiverse. Besides the fact that marvel and Feige himself knows and treats them as the same multiverse with multiple direct crossovers from the MCU to Earth-616.

This is like going “why aren’t people okay with predator and alien being different universes” like sure I’m fine with the idea but like alien vs predator does exist.

IndominusTaco2025-12-02 01:16

because they’re not the same

MurderinAlgiers2025-12-01 06:15

None of this matters

reezyboost350v22025-12-01 06:16

I don't get how people deny facts like these lmao

Comics 616 ≠ MCU 616

Segwaye2025-12-01 06:19

Do people actually deny this?

DefNotAShark2025-12-01 06:41

No.

Segwaye2025-12-01 06:43

Are you denying that?

DefNotAShark2025-12-01 06:45

Am I denying what? All I’m doing is answering your question.

pigeonwiggle2025-12-01 11:06

are you denying him his chance to find love?

Segwaye2025-12-01 13:15

Sorry, joking!

reezyboost350v22025-12-01 12:21

They do

IndominusTaco2025-12-02 01:15

yes, i do. each universe has a number. that number is a unique identifier. a comic book universe and a cinematic universe cannot have the same unique identifier, that would mean the numbering system is broken. the MCU is and always will be E-199999, regardless of how hard they try to backpedal to try to capture the name recognition and popularity of E-616.

lord_dosia2025-12-01 07:17

The people who really seem to care at all about this distinction are insistent that “616” is reserved for the comics’ main continuity and also insist that the MCU is 1999888 or whatever. For me, knowing Feige calls the MCU 616, and knowing that none of this shit actually has any bearing on the comics or the movies, I’m content to head canon that there’s the comic 616 and the cinematic 616 and that they are somewhat adjacent but not the same.

Also it does not fucking matter in the slightest and I say that purely as someone who’s had too many headaches seriously working it all over. It’s just superheroes man

pgaasilva2025-12-01 16:51

616a and 616b

Abraham_Issus2025-12-01 06:16

I still think it’s dumb. It still could’ve been the prime universe of marvel without it being 616.

Segwaye2025-12-01 06:19

Like, it’s dumb that it happened to be the same number?

Careless_Royal82092025-12-01 06:25

It’s more of an adaptation of the Ultimate universe

JameSdEke2025-12-01 08:52

Not really though. It takes some inspiration from it just as much as it does from the main 616 comic continuity.

But also as OP said it’s impossible for it to exist in the 616 multiverse continuity which obviously includes Ultimate’s 1610.

hell20_2025-12-01 06:43

No one's saying comics and movies should be a single merged universe... They're different media

Segwaye2025-12-01 13:15

Not no one

seaman1872025-12-01 15:29

People are saying that though. You can find people who argue about it on this sub.

hell20_2025-12-01 18:55

No way..

seaman1872025-12-01 19:06

Yeah here's one example from a different sub
https://www.reddit.com/r/CosmicBanter/s/Ifno2aotDD

hell20_2025-12-01 19:47

I always thought it was understood that "616" refers to the main continuity in either media i.e. the comics main continuity is called 616 and the tv adaptations main continuity is called 616

seaman1872025-12-01 20:07

You are correct. Some people just can't accept facts.

Edit: There's one below me now. Get over it.

dyrannn2025-12-01 22:53

I mean that’s kind of downplaying the actual legitimacy of the claim.

199999 WAS fact until the MCU being 616 and then being separate multiverses (seemingly) was canonized in MOM. People are allowed to comment on whether or not they agree with that decision, which is typically what they’re doing and not outright denying reality like you’re suggesting.

If someone insisted on calling Meta “Facebook,” even while they’re technically wrong it’s not like they’re completely baseless

Edit: tough guy can’t even read, so fragile doesn’t recognize I’m not even arguing with him, just saying it’s what it was called originally. Womp womp

hell20_2025-12-02 04:13

....except that the designation 199999 was never canon and was a term used by the Marvel Comics writers to refer to the MCU Earth, while Erik Selvig wrote "Earth-616" on his board in The Dark World (I believe). Congratulations you just contradicted yourself.

dyrannn2025-12-02 04:31

Damn, why the hostility lol

>term used by the Marvel Comics writers

you mean the people that write the stories the mcu are based on, own the ip, and originally stated it was the same multiverse? The only ones that cared about a universes designation at that point? Yeah, that’s why I’m saying it was a fact until 616 was canonized lol, the only authority on the matter said so

An Easter egg before the multiverse was even an idea is not canonizing the term lol, so not really sure how I’m contradicting lol

hell20_2025-12-02 06:16

Yes but "199999" was canon only to the Marvel Comics reference materials. The official designation by Marvel Studios for the world shown in Marvel Studios is 616.

Edit: Also I wasn't being hostile

NobodyQuiteLikeMe2025-12-01 06:58

Movies and comics have no connection whatsoever

The films are extremely loose adaptions

They used 616 as the “main” universe in film because that’s the “main” comic universe. It’s not that deep

Markus28222025-12-01 22:46

>Movies and comics have no connection whatsoever

Someone needs to tell Feige and Marvel that then lol, because Feige himself helped with a comic crossover with Earth-616 and the TVA (which he referred to as “our work in comics” so it’s definitely the same one) and a Kahorri crossover that partially took place on comics Earth-616 with it being stated numerous times that it’s the same version from the show, same show that saw lokis tree btw.

IndominusTaco2025-12-02 01:16

yes it is that deep. they can’t have the same number, that would mean the number system is broken

One-End73672025-12-01 07:03

It's just annoying because THEY ALREADY HAD AN ESTABLISHED NUMBER with e199999

1. Why they chose such a long number I have no idea

2. It can be a different multiverse, but at least make that clear. And if it is a different multiverse stop forcing MCU synergy into the comics.

Segwaye2025-12-01 13:16

Definitely agree with 2.

dyrannn2025-12-01 22:55

2 isn’t about a synchronized canon though, it’s about marketing

I love the original run of Ms Marvel and prefer it to the show, but someone coming from the show to the book would probably be taken aback by how vastly different her powers and origin are (not that she’s a great example of this synchronicity)

marvelcomics222025-12-01 09:52

The MCU (and select other properties) exist in it's own multiverse distinct from anything else.

Hedgewitch2502025-12-01 11:58

I feel like it makes sense for any universe to label itself as the main one. Earth 69 isn’t gonna put that on a banner when the prime designation is something cool like threshold. Everyone thinks their number 1 even if their real designation is completely different

Soulwarfare422025-12-01 12:45

MCU movie multiverse is not the same multiverse from the comics

That way, big comic stuffs won't affect Movie MCU and vice versa

MCU 616 is sacred timeline while comic 616 is their sacred timeline

simple enough

CoffeeJedi2025-12-01 13:47

In the last Spiderverse movie, they refer to the events of No Way Home as talking place in universe 199999 (the official number from the comics)

This implies that not every universe uses the same classification system. This is actually pretty smart, as the comics, the MCU, and Sony don't need to worry about keeping the numbers consistent across media. They can just say it's a different numbering system.

Linnus422025-12-01 14:07

Choosing 616 was viewed as Kevin’s ego and a desire to supplant comics as the prime canon. This is especially true when MCU synergy is forced onto comics (and non MCU media) see Kamala Khan.

616 doesn’t mean anything to non comic fans. It’s not even a logical number to start your universe as like say One or Zero as DC tends to. So it was viewed as an insult by a lot of comic fans not happy with how the MCU did their favorite character.

That said I do think 199999 is a dumb name. Would have just called the MCU as 2008 since that is the year iron man came out. Or 5208 since it released on May 2nd in NA.

CaptHayfever2025-12-01 17:12

Calling your own Earth "Earth 1" is pretty egotistical. ;)

IAmTheDoctor342025-12-01 14:32

I don't know why a guide book from 2009 and Sony get to determine the numerical designation for the MCU

dyrannn2025-12-01 23:13

who wrote the book lmao

IAmTheDoctor342025-12-02 12:31

Not anyone involved in the mcu.

They do this with all of the movies. For instance if Sam Rami gave a shit and didn't want to call his universe Earth-96283. He just wouldn't do it.

pje11282025-12-01 16:40

To me, if you really want the MCU to be in the comics multiverse, that's still entirely possible. It just means different Earths have different classifications for the multiverse. The comics 616 has located the MCU and called it 199999. Cool. But the MCU discovered the multiverse later through 838, who had come up with their own numbering system and happened to classify the MCU 616. Just because the numbering systems they use are different doesn't mean they can't both be correct.

Segwaye2025-12-01 16:46

I see your point, but what do you make of mine? That the MCU would have collided with the rest during Secret Wars?

pje11282025-12-01 16:56

I don't read comics and don't know the 2015 Secret Wars, so I really couldn't respond to your point either way, lol. This is just how I feel about the numbering discourse in general.

Segwaye2025-12-01 17:18

Oh, okay. I recommend reading it! Find it in a library or even somewhere digital.

dyrannn2025-12-01 23:01

TLDR it’s explicitly stated that, at what is essentially the end of the universe, the last 2 universes standing were 616 and 6160 (main continuity and ultimate) before the entire multiverse collapsed into battleworld

If the movies and comics took place in the same multiverse/continuity, that means there would’ve been a literal universe ending event between AoU and Ant-Man

In theory, the multiverse could’ve stopped and then restarted, as put back together by Franklin, Reed and Molecule Man, without anyone in the MCU realizing, a la the whole universe being simultaneously blipped, which is probably they angled they’d take if they did canonize them in the same continuity, but it just seems unlikely when it was such a focal point of each universe during the event when it was happening (duh)

Practical-Debate15982025-12-01 17:01

That's what I've been saying. It's a separate omniverse. Even tho the comics mention the movies and the movies mention the comics, it's completely separate. It has to be or else why would there a be a movie version of secret wars like you said

Segwaye2025-12-01 17:19

“Separate omniverse”. Good nerd word to explain these nerdy logistics!

Practical-Debate15982025-12-01 19:13

Thank you

Markus28222025-12-01 22:44

Except it’s not completely separate the MCU has crossed over with comics Earth-616 at least twice that I’m aware of

Practical-Debate15982025-12-02 14:47

Yea but I think it's not canon. Ur right, there's been mention of each other in both, I mentioned that. But it can't be in the same multiverse. Unless it was 616b or something

goukaryuu2025-12-01 23:48

Except omniverse is singular. That is every universe, multiverse, or timeline. Including ours. It is a separate but neighboring multiverse.

Practical-Debate15982025-12-02 14:45

I think that's what I meant? Lol

goukaryuu2025-12-02 14:54

Yeah, I know. Sorry. Just being my pedantic self.

IndominusTaco2025-12-02 01:17

no it’s not a separate omniverse

AnonymousFriend802025-12-01 17:46

Is there any actual reason reason the MCU has to also be called 616? Why would Fiege even bother with taking this very specific, long standing number?

Every universe has a designation. That include the IRL real word and many competing publisher books.

If you don't really care either way, why are you pushing for a change of what was already stated. If you feel very strongly about the MCU being called 616, present an actual case for it.

Segwaye2025-12-01 17:56

Are you using the Royal “you”? Or are you saying Feige should present a case for MCU to be called 616?

AnonymousFriend802025-12-01 19:24

By "you", I'm referring to any of those who want the MCU to be 616. But, if he's willing, I love to know why Fiege did it.

Segwaye2025-12-01 19:35

I feel like Feige could definitely be more transparent. Like, he could be more approachable from a fan perspective. Especially not as trust in his leadership and the overall arc of the MCU has dwindled.
Him talking about how he views the comics and movies and all these details would go a long way, I think.

dyrannn2025-12-01 22:48

My thought process as well leading up to finally getting an official designation

I had the exact same thoughts regarding secret wars as op, but went in the opposite direction. Since we know it’s not the same multiverse, the actual designation is relatively arbitrary, and at that point the only people who gave a shit about designations had been calling it 199999.

I get 616 is used more frequently as the home universe in the comics, but the whole point was “localizing” it for non comic readers, so that seems moot compared to its “actual” name.

razeandsew2025-12-01 17:55

The MCU is Earth-199999

It always has been, and feige is being an idiot, and trying to label the MCU as Earth-616 so that the comics HAVE TO change with all his trashy ideas

Segwaye2025-12-01 18:00

Evidence for this bold claim?
And what do you make of my point?

razeandsew2025-12-01 18:05

The Marvel wiki page, it has the MCU as Earth-199999, and has since the first Phase of the MCU. Feige also doesn't care about the comics(he has said so himself in an old interview), so the 2015 event wouldn't effect the MCU because of him. He thinks he is the "godfather of Marvel", so he can do whatever tf he wants, and the comics will change to match his poor decisions

JBTriple2025-12-01 18:11

The whole reason the comics universe is 616 instead of Earth 1 or Prime like DC is because it's meant to be just another one of the many universes out there. It highlights the fact that there are countless other versions of the story that are just as valid as this one.The main continuity isn't more important or cosmically significant than any of the others, it's just the one we happen to he following.

Taking the number 616 and *making* it important retroactively completely flies in the face of that.

that_1_bean2132025-12-01 20:47

Yeah, even in DC, there are different umbrella universes, omni-verses if you will. It's mostly

-the comic omni-verse

-the live action omni-verse

-the cartoon omni-verse

The most loose of these are video games, they either cross with the comics or cartoon verses.

Like for example, we have the across the spider-verse which has cartoon, movie/live action and video game versions all in one. But in the spider-verse comics certain versions of video game and cartoon versions appear. It's easier to accept there are simply parallel versions of each other, super similar but interact with different bubbles

Markus28222025-12-01 22:40

Except for the MCU has **explicitly** had direct crossovers with comics Earth-616. TWICE! Lmao

And both are explicitly canon.

I get not knowing about them but some people try to deny this even after being educated on the subject.

(Kahorri from What If, stated multiple times to be the same character from the show, had a comic that went to comics Earth-616, and the TVA comic visited Earth-616, featured a MCU Wanda variant and Feige confirmed the TVA is the same as the MCU, something Marvel Database backs up calling it “our work in comics”.)

Crafted_Pickaxe212025-12-01 23:15

Counterpoint, the same TVA called the Sacred Timeline 616 and the X-Men universe 100005.
So make of that what you will.

Markus28222025-12-02 01:20

TVA clearly changed their mind or they call both 616. Either way TVA is dumb and has bad classification numbers

VerbalChains2025-12-02 07:01

Marvel Comics has had a shared multiverse for 80+ years that includes multimedia adaptations, the MCU isn't special. The designation given to the MCU by Marvel Comics is Earth-199999, though the MCU can refer to themselves as "616" internally. (I'm sure these conflicts happen all the time, there are probably millions of Earths who call themselves "Earth-1" for example)

sanddragon9392025-12-02 13:44

Yeah. It's the same thing with DC. Every adaptation which features a Multiverse has the 'main' earth be called 'Earth 1'. Doesn't mean they're all the same earth!

CommunityDragon1842025-12-02 20:23

It’s a multiverse not an omniverse so ya

peter-man19942025-12-03 08:39

it’s just annoying to use. if they’re both 616, now we sometimes have to differentiate 616 comics and 616 mcu. even if the universes could use different numbering systems, we should use one numbering system to avoid confusion.

KofiMania182025-12-04 01:32

I agree with you about this. I just don't get why the MCU get so much hate when the comics, MCU, and Spiderverse movies all have a separate Earth-616 universe in there multiverse

bythewayne2025-12-04 04:25

Sure it's Marvel Cinematic Universe. Not specialized fans' transmedia canon.

Movies can make up their banana continuity as they want and comics too. Just believe the media your consuming and you'll be fine.

They're not going to wink at the 0.01% of the audience. There's only one Tolkien and he made the deep lore of his work out of pleasure and not market demands.