If Rhoady was replaced by a skrull post Civil War, that would mean that Skrull-Rhoady was active as War Machine for longer than the real Rhoady

Rhoady first became War Machine in 2010, meaning that by the time of Civil War, in 2016 he would've been active for 6 years. If we assume that after the Airport Battle, he gets replaced by a Skrull, who takes over until Secret Invasion, which takes place in 2026, meaning that they would've been active for 10 years, nearly twice as long,

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Jaded_Post19372025-11-30 03:44

One more reason they will never, ever bring up Secret Invasion. Such a poorly thought out series and really one of the MCUs biggest missteps

masedizzle2025-11-30 15:40

I'm a big MCU fan and I don't even know what this thread is referring to because I couldn't get through secret Invasion. (Though I've pieced it together with context clues)

JyconX2025-11-30 03:47

Some interviews hinted that Feige and Marvel tried to confuse fans on purpose by having the real Rhodey wear hospital clothes when G'iah freed him... without ever revealing when Rhodey was actually replaced.

However, there are hints that he was actually replaced after Endgame, not during Civil War.

Obraxiss2025-11-30 03:50

Oh absolutly, I personaly think he was replaced between the Endgame final battle, and Starks funeral. Just thought this was interesting to note

RoutineCloud59932025-11-30 08:07

He was most likely replaced during his surgery on his spine. The one post Endgame referenced in Falcon and the Winter Soldier

SpiritOne2025-11-30 16:00

I think the surgery on his spine was a ruse to swap him.

RoutineCloud59932025-11-30 16:12

I had thought the same. He's a high ranking member of the military, clearly has high clearance and is an avenger. You can't just snatch him off the street

dyrannn2025-11-30 11:08

Hints??? It’s outright stated as a fact in the show lol

JyconX2025-11-30 11:14

How? There was no direct mention in dialogue or in written text.

MajorNoodles2025-11-30 12:26

The show runner himself didn't even confirm when it happened. He only went so far as to say when he personally thought it happened. Which obviously he didn't say in the show.

dyrannn2025-11-30 12:46

Gravik states that they didn’t initiate their plan until the harvest, which takes place after endgame, unless I’m misremembering something? I know I’m certainly not about to scrub secret invasion to check lol

Senshado2025-11-30 19:27

Gravik states when he started *his* plan, but in Secret Invasion episode 2 he meets with a group of Skrulls who have been running their own infiltration plans for years, and they all agree to follow his orders instead.

CaptHayfever2025-12-01 03:21

Bingo. If Gravik's crew was active as far back as Civil War, they would've just stolen the harvest when they collected it instead of having to get Fury to retrieve it for them.

sciencesold2025-11-30 13:28

>However, there are hints that he was actually replaced after Endgame, not during Civil War.

Yeah, like the line from secret invasion that directly confirms it.

chiefbrody622025-12-04 11:39

Oh exactly. Not to mention that he bled red in multiple movies post-Civil War

electric_boogaloo_722025-12-05 17:34

Exactly.

Otherwise he carries around a lot of ketchup packets.

Obraxiss2025-11-30 03:48

To be clear I don't think he was repleced that early, he was probably replaced after Endgame, like all the other replaced, just thought this was an interesting detail, (since it's a common fan theory)

Xelopheris2025-11-30 05:29

But don't you know that Rhodey only ever wore a hospital gown once in his whole life?!?

Powersoutdotcom2025-11-30 12:54

He wasn't crushed under the Avengers Compound during the climax of Endgame, not at all!

JSB192025-11-30 04:02

Secret Invasion? What’s that?

*There is no Secret Invasion in the Sacred Timeline*

Ranos1312025-11-30 04:52

There is no Sacred Timeline.

Delicious-Explorer582025-11-30 04:11

He was replaced five minutes before the first episode of Secret Invasion began.

Old-Illustrator-56752025-11-30 04:39

This is the true answer OP

Squatch13332025-11-30 15:28

That’s when he was going in for his routine physical

Senshado2025-11-30 19:25

Yes, since these Skrulls have a machine to read memories, they have no need to impersonate someone for a long time. Just kidnap him immediately before the mission, and read any passwords / other details from is brain right then.

Street_Mall95362025-11-30 04:29

OR pretend Secret Invasion never happened like everyone else..

DJfunkyPuddle2025-11-30 20:14

Yup, alternate universe, Maria Hill is still alive, moving on.

FallenAngelII2025-12-01 19:12

She just went to the mall.

PirateBeany2025-12-01 22:19

I think she went to the beach, to build sandcastles in the sand.

FallenAngelII2025-12-02 12:40

But are two beavers truly better than one?

Responsible_Ad_22422025-12-02 17:37

I heard that she was helping his friend that lost hos wife, you know the woman that was the daughter of a mob in Goram,gotham? Something like that

Temassi2025-11-30 04:31

He was only a skrull for that show. For that small amount of time. My headcanon straight up doesn't include Secret Invasion

krlozdac2025-11-30 05:01

He was bleeding red in Endgame so I think it’s safe to say he was impersonated post Endgame.

MajorNoodles2025-11-30 13:04

He also couldn't walk in Endgame in that same scene. You'd think an imposter who almost died might have slipped up.

krlozdac2025-11-30 13:07

Good point.

ApexInTheRough2025-11-30 05:09

My headcanon is that Rhodey was going in for another surgery shortly after Endgame, one that would make his leg supports small enough to be inside his pants legs instead of around them. This not only gave the Skrulls access to him, but also made him easier to duplicate.

Yes, he was a Skrull for Falcon & The Winter Soldier, but the Skrull said exactly what Rhodey would have said in the same situation, so it's still Rhodey's thoughts and words on the matter, just not technically coming from Rhodey.

Obraxiss2025-11-30 05:14

Wonder if Cheadle would've gotten that Emmy nomination for FATWS if they knew he was a Skrull? Also great analysis

GoCorral2025-11-30 05:37

He was replaced after Ironman 1. I'm surprised no one else noticed. =D

Defiant_Wheel48882025-11-30 05:41

If we had gotten *Armor Wars* as planned, we might have considered this loophole. But as we know, *Armor Wars* won’t be coming soon. When I searched on Google, I found this line:

“\[The\] project is no longer a priority and is being significantly reworked. It was originally planned as a Disney+ series and then became a movie, but the film is ‘on hold’ and being retooled due to the negative reception of *Secret Invasion*.”

So we can assume they won’t take it very seriously.

nighthawk_md2025-11-30 05:41

Silly question, and it shows how poorly I paid attention to Secret Invasion but did the real Rhoady come back the end? The one in Brave New World was authentic again, right?

Obraxiss2025-11-30 05:44

Yeah, theres a scene of all the Skrull captives being recued, (Including Rhodey and Everat Ross), also, He wasn't in Brave New World

nighthawk_md2025-11-30 06:28

Ha, shows how well I paid attention at Brave New World as well...for some reason I have a (false) memory of Rhodes at the party with Sam and new Falcon when Isaiah was activated.

IanYates822025-11-30 09:42

You may be thinking of the walk & talk that Rhodes and Sam had in FATWS in an exhibit that included Isaiah

Equivalent-Garlic1002025-11-30 05:42

I chose to believe that Rhodey was switched after episode 1 of Falcon and Winter Soldier. Just because i don't want his conservation with Sam to be SkrullRhodey. To me, he went for a routine check up after his last procedure and he got switched then.

I really don't like Secret Invasion's arrogance that they can retcon a previous work and undermine it in retrospect, just because the Secret Invasion writers didn't want to give a straight answer.

Carpyet2025-11-30 18:30

This.

Overall-Gaming782025-11-30 05:52

I think it was after the events of Endgame in my opinion.

goatiewan12025-11-30 08:17

Skrulls invading after Infinity War and replacing snapped individuals would’ve been so much cooler

PirateBeany2025-12-01 22:21

They'd have to have scanned (or whatever) those individuals before they got snapped, though.

Ambitious_Policy_9362025-11-30 14:27

Don't forgot that there was yet another him in the first Iron Man

Adorable-Bit68162025-11-30 15:27

Rhodey

hewasaraverboy2025-11-30 15:56

He wasn’t a skrull directly post civil war so it doesn’t matter

Ratchet9cooper2025-11-30 17:10

Yet another reason secret invasion is a stupid storyline that marvel should not ever be using

Turbulent-Spirit-5682025-11-30 18:17

The deleted interaction between Sam and Rhodey from The Falcon and the Winter Soldier suggests that Rhodey was a skull after Endgame not Civil War

Carpyet2025-11-30 18:29

If we acknowledge SI as canon. I believe rhodey was switched at a random MRI/surgery when he was wearing scrubs, soon before the show. It doesn’t necessarily have to be right after the airport civil war fight

knotsteve2025-11-30 18:35

It's unlikely that there will be any real follow-up to this, so it's easy to have a sensible head-canon and ignore any stupid assertion in Secret Invasion.

Senshado2025-11-30 19:23

1. If Rhodey was replaced soon after the Civil War injury, then the Skrull could simply tell everyone his legs recovered after a brief hospital stay. No need to pretend to be disabled for many years.

2. If Rhodey was replaced for a long time, then the imposter had been using a powerful flying armor suit. But if the Skrull imposter knew how to use a bulletproof super suit, then he wouldn't have been killed by bullets in the final episode. Instead he could've grabbed the president and flown away whenever he wanted.

ChaoticCaptain1772025-11-30 21:09

Another reason why we should forget secret invasion ever happened

Mathelete732025-12-01 17:06

I would hope he was replaced post endgame, or it would be a disservice to his character.

Soulwarfare422025-12-02 13:04

I think discussions were already made at the time but it doesn't make sense for him to be replaced after Civil War

Additionally, the showrunner was intentionally vague on when he got replaced to keep it open for future writers/directors

In terms of when he was replaced, it is very likely post-Endgame as he was shown to bleed red in that film, which meant he was not a Skrull at the time. Plus Captain Marvel, Thor, Rocket, Groot,Nebula and even Tony interacted with him and would have probably noticed if he was a Skrull

Additionally, from a writing standpoint, it would genuinely be awful if the Real Rhodey was never there in Tony's last moment

The_Caniac_292025-12-05 22:59

Rhoady 💀💀