Do you think Steve couldve calmed Wanda down during Wandavision and maybe even have prevented Multiverse of Madness?

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The-Mandalorian2025-11-29 02:10

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EfficaciousJoculator2025-11-29 02:11

Nah. Hawkeye would have had a better chance, but he would've had to get to her right after the events of Wandavision.

After that, the Darkhold had her.

LittleCupcake24782025-11-29 02:22

Honestly, a lot of damage could've been avoided had Clint invited her to crash at his farm with his family. The kids playing with "Auntie Wanda" could've provided some relief, perhaps. Who knows?

rara81222025-11-29 02:25

I think Wanda should have just gone through the proper channels and adopted kids. But staying at Clint’s to be auntie Wanda while she contemplates if this is really the right decision for her would help. And maybe Clint and Laura help her with the paperwork and therapy and stuff.

Princess_emily122025-11-29 02:30

Yeah but that damn obsession with that damn robot messed everything up tbh

Sanchit_Pokhriyal2025-11-29 03:57

Another stark Clanker ruining things for everyone.

ReeceReddit12342025-11-29 13:59

Technically it's Ultrons Clanker but seeing as Ultron is Stark's Clanker... Yeah okay it counts

shiromancer2025-11-29 19:41

A grandclanker, if you will.

bestoboy2025-11-29 06:34

one of the kids was named Pietro, she would have loved being an aunt

RenoverO_O2025-11-29 08:32

I think the problem with that was Clint's own grief he hadn't had the time to fully process. He couldn't help others when he's down in the trenches himself

rara81222025-11-29 09:18

Yea. Maybe not Clint himself, but you’d think in the wide array of government officials at Westview at least one had the phone number to a therapist and knowledge of the foster care/adoption system. Maybe Monica Rambeau? She seemed like she cares about Wanda enough to help.

RenoverO_O2025-11-29 09:32

I suppose de-escalation(is that a word?) was a priority for Monica and a therapist would only be effective once all the other citizens were safe

soldforaspaceship2025-11-30 23:23

I'm not sure the timeline but he'd have been going deaf as well I think while Wandavision was happening.

Plus he was also living with the guilt of all he did during the blip in addition to the grief of Natasha sacrificing herself in his place while he got to get everything he wanted back.

I doubt he'd be in any decent shape to help anyone.

Steve is a better shout. He screams stability. Had he been around, I think he'd at least have checked in on Wanda more.

Wamooooo2025-11-29 02:25

orrr it couldve made her want a family even more and what she could have had with vision

ExpressMud80382025-11-29 03:23

it'll make her see that she already has a family right now

Currycel78912025-11-29 10:29

Which would drive her even crazier. This 616-Wanda is uniquely obsessed over him. NONE of her variants have the same problem.

She could NEVER have had a family with Vision without creating FAKE kids, who would still die, which would still cause her breakdown. In fact, in the comics, Wanda's breakdown happened even though Vision was alive!

Upbeat_Tension_80772025-11-29 02:36

I think it would've been mutually beneficial since I think she would've helped Clint with his own guilt over losing Natasha in return for his support

TheDungeonCrawler2025-11-29 05:16

He might have even been able to help her move on from Vision. That's what the vibe Clint was giving off at the end of Endgame was anyway.

Xero09112025-11-29 03:11

All she had to do was contact...sam? Tell him what was going on. I think sam would have helped her. Or Clint. Both avengers and team cap. They'd help her.

Like cant imagine amy of them would be okay with visions body being used like that

penislobsterpie2025-11-29 05:55

Sam couldn’t even get a home loan lmao

TheDeadlyCat2025-11-29 09:24

Were they even that close?

He might have been there for veterans but he had a lot on his plate with that shield and how to go on.

Xero09112025-11-29 10:17

We never really see sam close with anyone besides Steve. Like that basically sums up Sam's interactions in all of MCU.

He met widow and worked with her to help Steve. He helps Steve break the law so teams up with his team. He lost to antman.

Ultimately. Yeah he was too busy. Clint would be 100% the correct answer. Sam was mostly mentioned because Steve did care for Wanda and would probably be pissed to hear how visions corpse was treated.

Panro9112025-11-29 03:56

The danger is if she snapped while with Clint’s family.

New-Barracuda-37542025-11-29 11:32

For both parties because they're still suffering from the loss of Natasha

MrSpeedMoJoe972025-11-29 11:46

Especially when one of them is literally named after her late twin brother.

bigbrainnowisdom2025-11-29 15:57

Or...wanda got so jealous and hex magic his kids and made them hers.

YOUTUBEFREEKYOYO2025-11-29 20:05

Now that's a what if. Probably a pretty mundane one, but it would be nice

Im_At_Work_Damnit2025-11-29 06:28

She needed support after Endgame. The lack of an emotional support structure is what led to the events in WandaVision.

Neveronlyadream2025-11-29 07:36

Absolutely. As far as we know, no one actually checked in on her to see if she was okay. Granted, Tony had just died and half the universe had been dead for five years, so they can be forgiven for having been busy.

Wanda also probably didn't reach out to anyone. With Pietro and Vision dead, she probably felt alienated and isolated, making it sadder that no one thought to make sure she was okay.

ghoonrhed2025-11-29 10:37

But who? Hawkeye himself was probably in no moral position after what he did during the blip.

All of Wanda's Avengers friends are dead or gone for her

Neveronlyadream2025-11-29 19:04

I don't think Clint wasn't in a moral position, I think he was just focused on his family after not having seen them for five years and didn't think about anything else.

Steve was also alive, albeit old. Seemingly nothing was stopping him from making sure Wanda was okay once he gave Sam the shield.

It's also weird that Strange, who we know keeps a list of magical or mystical beings that could be a threat, didn't think to check in on Wanda to make sure she hadn't gone off the deep end.

puneets04472025-11-29 02:12

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o_MrBombastic_o2025-11-29 02:12

Destroying the Darkhold is about the only thing that would have prevented MoM

Thulium422025-11-29 02:15

I think ANY of the Avengers would have made a huge difference. Clint and Sam COMPLETELY dropped the ball with Wanda.

kulitchipon2025-11-29 02:43

Does she and Sam have a close relationship/friendship tho?

Kylynara2025-11-29 02:55

Not that we saw, but Steve handed off the Captain America mantle to him. He's the boss, and it's part of his responsibility as the boss to take care of the team.

Also let's note that Sam has a background in helping soldiers cope with PTSD and transitioning back to civilian life and that's effectively what Wanda was doing. She fought a battle lost someone she cared about and had fought alongside multiple times and now had to go back to being just a regular person.

Thulium422025-11-29 03:25

Saw on screen, not significantly - but Sam and Wanda are both in Steve's New Avengers (along with Nat) shown working as a team at the beginning of Civil War, and both go on the run with him after Civil War into Infinity War. (Wanda is with Steve on the run, Vision is still legit with Tony, and both sides knowingly look the other way as they see each other on the side.)

So, not much on screen, but they have spent a lot of time training and fighting together under Steve off screen. After Endgame and Steve leaves, Sam should have checked in with everyone, but was too busy having his own existential crisis.

StormCloudRaineeDay2025-11-29 04:32

Clint had his own stuff to worry about. She wasn't his priority and shouldn't have been.

annoyingrelieve2025-11-29 02:17

Cuz he had this one conversation with her na

TonyMontana5462025-11-29 02:22

They all were on the run together between civil war and infinity war. Cap, widow, Sam and Wanda

BarRegular26842025-11-29 02:17

100% yea. They had a great rapport.

Currycel78912025-11-29 10:31

They didn't. They only spoke 10 words to each other in total.

drew39k2025-11-29 02:20

It's crazy, that following Wandavision, no one was like, hey, let's help her deal with her grief and loss.instewd they were like, oh, she is super sad and exiling herself to some secluded place...yeah...thats the super healthy thing for someone feeling lonely and depressed.

Heart-Lights4202025-11-29 02:26

Hahaha… and that’s why MOM happened!

FriendlyDrummers2025-11-29 10:02

MOM could have been so much better if the writers showed more of the slope that led into Wanda going completely possessed.

It's whiplash to go from the end of WV, where Wanda is distraught from remorse and regret for torturing people. She feels deeply ashamed of harming people because she wanted a family.

And then going to MOM where she mass murders people because she wants to kidnap a child to get access to children in another dimension.

Like yes, the book can possess. But there should have been some sort of flash back, or something, to give a better indication of how quickly her mental state deteriorated.

DangDingleGuy2025-11-29 02:30

That's what the MCU lost IMO. Obv the big celestial stories are cool, but this shit got popular bc of the characters and their interactions. Having clint show up for Wanda would've made sense but instead we have 30 self contained, boring ass stories instead

DontDoodleTheNoodle2025-11-29 02:53

I was just rewatching Phase 1 and it astonishes me how truly connected the movies felt.

Coulson showing up between Thor and the Iron Man’s was extremely beneficial. There was this scene where the Destroyer lands and one of the agents say “is this one of Stark’s?” and Coulson responds with “idk the guy never tells me anything.”

When he sees a prototype of Cap’s shield in Tony’s lab he perks up - something that gets followed up on in Avengers.

Dr. Erskin alluding to friends/researchers that have worked with Shield before (alluding to Dr. Banner).

Obviously the development of Thor and Loki’s rivalry from Thor to Avengers.

Howard Stark being a recurring mentioned (dead) character in the Iron Mans, only for us to see him *in action* in Captain America as a major character.

Nick Fury showing up at the end of Iron Man and Captain America.

The Tesseract being teased at the end of Thor, a major McGuffin in Captain America, and also another major McGuffin in Avengers.

And that’s just phase 1. Some are subtle and some are major, but it feels like we’ve lost that interconnective magic the MCU once had.

pje11282025-11-29 04:10

I think you mean Dr Selvig, not Erskine. Erskine invented the Super Soldier serum, long before Banner's time. Selvig is Thor's friend.

TheFunkytownExpress2025-11-29 04:37

That's exactly what the Multiverse Saga is/was missing and what made the MCU special to begin with.

onlyhightime2025-11-29 23:41

Yeah, so many of the later movies, we stayed til the end of the credits, and there were just no easter eggs connected to other story lines. Skaar is the last one I can think of, and they haven't even used him yet.

TheDungeonCrawler2025-11-29 05:21

Tony also shows up at the end of Hulk to talk to Ross about Hulk.

Wendigo152025-11-29 02:52

I kinda get it. Everyone is dealing with their stuff

Sam is trying to get a job to help his family

Bruce is grieving in Mexico

Bucky is dealing with the loss of Steve and trying to make amends

Hawkeye was the one that could definitely help her out

TheDungeonCrawler2025-11-29 05:19

Keep in mind, Hawkeye was also going through the guilt of his maass murder vigilantism, the fact he lost five years with his family, and lost his best friend. I think he could have helped and would have been best equipped for them to help each other, but let's not pretend he didn't also have stuff going on.

FriendlyDrummers2025-11-29 09:55

If he knew what happened, I'd like to believe he would help.

ZoeShotFirst2025-11-29 12:28

He always helps, poor guy. It’s why so many of us love him. And why he really needs a hug

shellexyz2025-11-29 02:52

There are vast swaths of the mcu that could have been avoided if Tony had made sure that mental healthcare was covered by the Avengers health insurance.

Iorith2025-11-29 03:47

Therapy isn't some magical salve, especially since it only works *if someone wants it to work*.

There is no part of me that buys her wanting to talk to a therapist leading up to Wandavision.

ladyfangirl92025-11-29 04:02

To be fair, what therapist would be well equipped enough to help someone who was experiencing all that AND has powers?

Primary_Intention9702025-11-29 04:15

God, where is the Marvel version of Linda Martin when you need her?

shiromancer2025-11-29 19:50

Doc Samson, maybe? We could get Ty Burrell back!

FriendlyDrummers2025-11-29 09:58

The culmination of Wandavision was, imo, because she was alone and pushed to the limits of her mental capacities.

I do believe that Wanda would have sought out help from a mental health professional if that person was equipped with helping someone in her position

Consistent-Flan14452025-11-29 15:42

If anything, I thought the whole point of Wandavision was that she wanted a family and a community so badly that she manifested it for herself. Sure, she wanted her own family back, but creating Billy and Tommy and manifesting a whole community for herself went beyond that.

Whereas had she had more support from her friends post endgame and been allowed to have a funeral and burial for Vision she might not have gotten to that point.

jcagraham2025-11-29 02:58

I mean, what's better for curing unimaginable grief and complex PTSD than some alone time in a cabin, curled up with a good book?

terra_cotta2025-11-29 03:08

Ya..I mean..it just feels like bad writing to me. Lot of bad decisions from a lot of characters had to be made off screen for MoM to happen.

Nepomucky2025-11-29 03:24

And they had Steve giving free counselling for what, 5 years?

Iorith2025-11-29 03:46

She's also a grown woman who has a right to autonomy, and at that point hadn't done or said anything that made it obvious she was a threat to herself or others.

You can't force someone to talk about their issues.

mowie_zowie_x2025-11-29 04:02

They aren’t mind readers. You can’t expect to be help if you don’t share your trauma to your close friends and family.

im_in_the_safe2025-11-29 05:49

Who would help her?

Stark is dead.
Cap is gone.
Thor never liked her.
Natasha is dead.
Bruce also never liked her.

So of all the original Avengers only Clint could have, and he probably had no idea about Westview.

TheDeadlyCat2025-11-29 09:29

The person I see screwing up here is Fury. He has the experience to deal with people in similar situations and Wanda was prominent enough of a figure that he should have checked on her…

And maybe he did. Maybe all of them did. And Wanda just decided to be alone and mind-wipe them… or turn them towards their concerns.

Currycel78912025-11-29 10:29

None of them paid any attention to Wanda. She was a recluse. She had no friends.

Grabthar-the-Avenger2025-11-29 12:58

Madisynn would have been the play.

*"Giiirrrllll, what is that ugly book, ew, put that down. You look rough and we are going to fix that, spa day, pool day, cocktails, boys, let's go. Let's take this weird gross book to Wongerrrs and trade him for my copy of Jenny Lawson's 'Let's Pretend This Never Happened' he's been borrowing, it's a riot and you need it. Now how do we get out of this janky cabin"*

GudgerCollegeAlumnus2025-11-29 16:43

How are “they” going to find the flying person who chooses to be exiled? It’s not like she was just hanging out in a mall food court.

And who is “they” anyway?

GormanOnGore2025-11-29 02:21

Yes.

Interesting-Side95342025-11-29 02:21

If Clint or Steve were around her this could be stopped well

BuffaloStranger972025-11-29 02:22

Yes. She really needed to talk to someone

Cassaroth2025-11-29 02:23

He look like Jeremy White Allen in this pic.

siestarrific2025-11-29 02:26

Still kinda crazy that no one thought to maybe mandate therapy for these people or something lmao

scuac2025-11-29 04:59

Bucky went to therapy as seen in FATWS, don’t remember if it was mandated on him or voluntary

Longjumping_Shine8742025-11-29 12:13

Court mandated in exchange for his pardon.

Heart-Lights4202025-11-29 02:28

👀 I mean… maybe? You know CA is America’s ASS! 🍑 🤣

Fresh_Opportunity3432025-11-29 02:29

It seems the issue with Wanda is not 1 person reached out to her so when she visited vision, if she had met anyone she actually knew during that process then maybe they would have gone for a coffee afterwards and the events that led to west view may have never happened . Steve would have definitely handled the situation a lot better than anyone in that facility so yeah if he'd have calmed her then . Then Wanda vision wouldn't have happened . Agatha wouldn't have been involved therefore wanda wouldn't have knowledge of the darkhold which then wouldn't have caused the events of MoM to occur

pennygirl1082025-11-29 03:35

The only reason Agatha was able to insert herself in westview as a fake best friend was because apparently post endgame Wanda had no real friends. It’s shocking that a character that’s been in so many mcu projects over so many years hasn’t been able to maintain any lasting relationships.

Fresh_Opportunity3432025-11-29 04:22

Yeah it's quite sad if you think about it. No wonder she ended up as messed up as she did. What I will say tho is Agatha could have probably still done that regardless of Wanda having friends. She was there to investigate magic and sorry to correct you but she inserted herself as a nosey neighbour not her best friend

urgasmic2025-11-29 02:31

no it was destiny.

phoenixrose22025-11-29 02:32

I think he could have prevented Multiverse of Madness, but I don’t think he could have eased the grief she had in Wandavision until she was ready (the same time Monica got through to her).

Zen-platypus2025-11-29 02:34

Remember, Steve disappeared into his own past. I think Hawkeye had already proved his ability to calm her down.

Jambo112025-11-29 02:45

Yes

FidgitForgotHisL-P2025-11-29 02:47

Nope, because she would see him as a big part of her problem.

Regardless of civil war “sides”, Steve was always a Good Guy, and one of her issues was that she was abandoned by the Good Guys and seen as a Bad Guy when she just wanted her kids back. Unless he was helping her “solve” that problem, he wasn’t someone she would engage with.

Currycel78912025-11-29 10:31

She wanted them "back" by murdering a variant and stealing them back to 616.

FidgitForgotHisL-P2025-11-29 11:13

Her grief justified her actions, as far as she was concerned.

Currycel78912025-11-29 11:28

Yep. And EVERYONE in-universe treated her grief as sacred. The latter is what annoys me most.

EddiefromUranus2025-11-29 12:45

I was thinking, and I realized that many mothers would do the same… if they had powerful witch magic, how many of them would try to bring their children back?

Currycel78912025-11-29 13:05

I was thinking, and I realized that ZERO mothers would do the same.

Instead, they would just resurrect their own children.

Janes_Pretty2025-11-29 02:47

Literally anyone she knew could’ve done it. Girl just needed someone in her life but everyone just kinda forgot about her. Clint would’ve been the best option but he was off with the family he lost for 5 years or whatever

Currycel78912025-11-29 10:32

As he should've been! He has every right to his REAL family, which will always be far more important to him than Wanda's FAKE family.

CyleTime2025-11-29 02:51

Steve’s pretty good at speeches. He definitely would have made an impact and certainly calmed her down.

IAmTheDoctor342025-11-29 03:05

Probably any level of support system between her coming back in Endgame and then her dealing with Vision still being dead would have prevented everything, but then we get no story

FrankReynoldsCPA2025-11-29 03:07

MoM wasn't Wanda temporarily being evil.

Her time with the Avengers was Wanda briefly being good.

Disastrous_Potato1602025-11-29 03:10

If I remember right, at the end of Wandavision the darkhold had already started corrupting her mind. It works fast. Nobody was gonna calm her down.

Smaragd442025-11-29 03:11

I think yes but it has to happen before Westview

Asleep_Wishbone_38952025-11-29 03:13

Yes

AGx-072025-11-29 03:16

No. I actually think he'd have been more likely to say something that would make it worse.

max10012025-11-29 03:23

Nope. She was already corrupted by the darkhold.

ronmsmithjr2025-11-29 03:34

By "calming her down" you mean tappin' that a**, right?

Also, why haven't her creepy ass real life sisters gotten involved in the MCU yet? Those two can be scary in a simple photoshoot, just imagine as actual villains.

McDummy2025-11-29 03:38

how do you think he would have done it?

does he still wear the whip cream bikini?

A4orce842025-11-29 03:54

Not when he flames on.

SeekerVash2025-11-29 04:01

No, but Falcon, the guy trained in helping people with PTSD could have.

Why they didn't include him is rather baffling.

rocketmanx2025-11-29 04:17

I think Clint might have been able to.

santa99912025-11-29 04:18

You know I really enjoy the show and the overall concept a lot, but the actual set up doesn’t really work for me for somewhat this reason

What happened after endgame??

I’d imagine post infinity war, Vision was returned to the compound, probably stored in some way. So post endgame the compound is gone, and damage control/Sword recover his body.

Nobody helped her? Steve before he left, Hawkeye, Sam, strange? Nobody looked into what happened to vision? She didn’t ask anyone for help?

It feels like post endgame they decided half these characters don’t know eachother, don’t interact, etc. they all just left and never thought about any of It again.

vim_deezel2025-11-29 04:26

I don't think so.

Bing_Bong_the_Archer2025-11-29 04:30

Wanda needed to get laid, yes

StormCloudRaineeDay2025-11-29 04:39

Unless Steve had been able to stop Hayward from showing Wanda the dismembered remains of the man/android she loved, I don't think so.

LilGrippers2025-11-29 04:54

Feet

Ill_Document_11562025-11-29 05:11

Entire Wandavision saga wouldn't have happened if Steve and Tony were around. What do you think Tony was gonna do if he found out what they did to Vision and what would Steve do if they mistreated Wanda.

XComThrowawayAcct2025-11-29 05:36

The better question is whether Wanda could’ve turned Cap.

“He’s not simply dead, Steve. They harvested his body and wiped his mind. Wait, do you not know what they did to Coulson?”

“…no?”

“Oooh boy! This’ll be easier with a little hex, but you should really check out seasons 3 thru 5 of *Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.* for the full deal.”

[ ***chaos magic*** ]

“What. The. Fuck.”

“Yeah.”

“That’s somehow worse than secret Hydra!”

“Yeah!”

“…”

“…”

“…”

“So, you wanna help me take down these fuckers?”

“Just point me in the right direction, Scarlet Witch.”

Ambitious-Pirate-5052025-11-29 05:42

Yes. And Hawkeye.

Thats it. No one else could have gotten thru.

Cap saved her in Infinity War and got thru to her in AoU.

Hawkeye was always the one she'd honor.

blackbutterfree2025-11-29 06:15

Steve, Nat and Clint would've been able to pull her back from the brink. And while I get Natasha was dead and Clint was reuniting with his family, what was Steve's excuse for not being by Wanda's side? She was the most emotionally vulnerable of the remaining Avengers, and Steve didn't exactly have things to do.

tehCharo2025-11-29 10:25

Steve was gone, Old Man Rogers I guess could have tried.

Realistic-Buy49752025-11-29 06:29

"Hey Wanada, enslaving people is wrong" for Wanadavision and "Hey Wanda, why not find a timeline where you died instead of Vision and the 2 of you can start a life together" for Multiverse.

RhubarbProper19562025-11-29 07:04

Steve calming Wanda? How? Try to lock her in her room again? That turned out well the last time... Or assigning the 1 day old robot to watch over her? That turned out even better...

Wamooooo2025-11-29 07:09

tony did those things not steve 😭

RhubarbProper19562025-11-29 07:19

wait, now i'm mixing up steve with tony? damn i'm getting old xD

clangan5242025-11-29 07:28

No. She'd resent Steve for trying to find a measured middle ground, trying to play both sides instead of the issue.

Afwife19922025-11-29 07:32

Steve had a closer bond than Clint. Steve brought her, and Pietro, into the avengers. Steve was her captain and mentor. She caused the disaster in Lagos trying to save him. Steve wound up not signing the accords because of her. (He was all set to sign until Tony said about her being on house arrest, called her a weapon of mass destruction and it blew up.) They, and Nat and Sam, were on the run for two years while Scott and Clint were on house arrest. I always thought they should’ve at least had a mention of her loss of Steve and Nat. It would’ve been horribly destabilizing to lose both of them.

FreeStall422025-11-29 11:07

Realistically yes they would have left her alone following that.

But gotta force a plot somehow

sistemafodao2025-11-29 11:29

Sam is the counselor, not Steve.

CandidHeat822025-11-29 11:30

idk maybe

amara20232025-11-29 11:34

I’m still shocked that none of the Avengers helped Wanda with her grief or vouched for Spider-Man after FFH

MrSpeedMoJoe972025-11-29 11:46

Especially when one of them is literally named after her late twin brother.

chairchiman2025-11-29 13:01

I'd expect a talk from Sam instead

bigbrainnowisdom2025-11-29 15:56

Isnt cap already 100 y.o.? He probably dont follow news and cant find his way to toilet

mastyrwerk2025-11-29 17:13

Yes, but he was on the moon.

HumorPlastic52862025-11-29 19:50

If Lilia Calderu didn't put the sigil on William, then Wanda would have sensed Billy survived the hex going down, and then thatd probably have stopped the Multiverse of Madness.