Possible infinity stone level plot device for Doomsday/Secret Wars?

There’s been one lingering question in the MCU since the start of Iron Man 1, one that predates even the beginning of the infinity stone story… Where are the X-men? Fantastic Four? Blade? Doom??? Why aren’t they apart of the main universe ? The answer is simple … He Who Remains. We already know he curated the timeline to his liking, for “multiversal stability” .. why would he include people who he might perceive as too big of a threat worth handling ? The reason these characters haven’t been in the MCU, and are just now appearing after the killing of He Who Remains, is because he specifically chose not to put these characters in the sacred timeline. How does this play into Doom? Imagine finding out that the ruler of the multiverse specially chose to leave you out of its grand design. I think we’d all be pretty pissed. Doom finds out about the sacred timeline and what he perceives as crimes against the multiverse, and he puts together a team of heros/villains who have been manipulated into believing his cause is righteous. What Doom actually wants isn’t justice , but to be the one that’s truely in control , because in classic Doom fashion he’ll believe there’s no one else worthy of the job. Enter battleworld/secret wars. What do we think? (sorry for the book)

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ba_dum_tiss_2025-11-28 23:46

If they're adapting some Secret Wars plot devices, then that means Doom is harvesting the abilities of certain characters in order to create Battleworld (or prevent/cause incursions).

So, that means Franklin Richards is one of the "stone" he's after, along with other major characters who have powers he would need in order to make his plan succeed.

InteractionKitchen122025-11-28 23:51

Agreed, all the more reason for He Who Remains to avoided letting a Doom and Franklin run rampant in his sacred timeline! Maybe that’ll have something to do with the multiversal team Doom puts together ? Maybe he chooses each one for a specific reason and doesn’t actually want their help as much as he needs their power? Now i’m wondering if anchor beings have anything to do with it..

zero_eternal2025-11-29 00:13

Yep, this is something I've been thinking too.

Xavier = Doom's mind stone equivalent

Franklin = Doom's space stone equivalent

Sentry = Doom's power stone equivalent?

InteractionKitchen122025-11-29 00:34

Wanda = the reality stone ???

zero_eternal2025-11-29 00:36

Ooh, now we're cooking! This totally sounds plausible now..

Oh, and Loki could be Doom's Time stone as well!

And maybe Steve is finally the soul stone 🥲

itzjamez12152025-11-29 01:17

Russo bros and McFeely punching air rn bc yall figured it out 😂

InteractionKitchen122025-12-16 00:17

Thinking about it again randomly with the news of the trailer leaks .. what if we over looked what is right in front of our nose ? Doom wants Franklin not the F4, he doesn’t want Steve , he wants Steve’s SON!! Wanda? Nah, WANDAS KIDS ? Thor ? Nope, THORS DAUGHTER ?? What if Doom lost a kid of his own due to an incursion and his revenge is taking the kids from those in the Sacred Timeline that are responsible ? Or or or .. what if doom IS the orphaned child, he didn’t lose a kid, he lost a parent ! His mom! So Doom is collecting these kids across the multiverse so that way he can take them to battleworld and in his twisted mind , keep them safe from the horrors of the multiverse that he experienced.

FictionFantom2025-11-29 00:14

Mutants and Blade are too big of a threat but sorcerers, aliens and literal gods aren’t? Celestials? The Scarlet Witch?

InteractionKitchen122025-11-29 00:29

I was just naming people off that aren’t involved currently, wasn’t referring to anyone specifically for their power, but in the grand scheme of things Doom, Prof X, Jean, Franklin, and the F4 yeah Kang is going to avoid putting them in his perfect world more than anyone else. Blade wasn’t a great example but it’s an easy in for any character that isn’t currently involved. Maybe it’s not about power either, but about avoiding unpredictability? Maybe he didn’t specifically prevent Blade but prevented vampires as a whole? Sorcerers and Gods in the MCU could’ve been allowed by him because they mostly are tied to the rules of the universe.. they did tell Dr. Strange that he was the biggest threat to the multiverse so if He Who Remains built the sacred timeline to avoid unpredictability, Dr Strange being the biggest threat to that would line up. In a way it’s calculated genocide.. which is basically the whole premise of his sacred timeline.. there’s some where he just chose to wipe out the whole group (vampires , mutants) and some where he choice to just eliminate the top threats of the bunch (Doom for sorcerers, Galactus for Celestials)

FictionFantom2025-11-29 00:35

I think mutants are just a rare thing and eventually the population will boom.

A simple explanation that doesn’t require tying it back to a character that’s seemingly been dropped from the narrative for the foreseeable future.

InteractionKitchen122025-11-29 00:42

That’s what ya always think right before you find out Kang was the reason everyone was miserable all along. Mutants starting to boom in population right after the death of He Who Remains doesn’t sounds like a coincidence to me. It’s a pretty inconsequential way to explain where a lot of characters have been, and tie off his seemingly dropped storyline in a way that has closure instead of just being dropped. It also doesn’t take anything more than showing Doom making the discovery in an opening scene that the reason he’s angry is because He Who Remains manipulated the sacred timeline making certain people like him not exist. Would take 15 minutes max and now the multiverse saga actually has a cohesive story that’s ground work was set in phase 1.

santa99912025-11-29 04:11

I always thought the snap made sense for that.

Essentially mutants always exist, but stay quiet and typically deal with mutant issues. The snap causes the gene to start coming out in people, so during the 5 year period It becomes more prominent.

This forces Xavier to have the xmen be more public

DarthSkorpa2025-11-29 00:54

I mean...it is fiction after all but it isn't far fetched to imagine that pruning a event(s) that lead to mutants is easier than the ones creating gods, Celestials, and other ancient alien species...

Skarr-Skarrson2025-11-29 01:15

Some could not be there simply because others were ‘erased’ and it was a butterfly type effect. Not everyone needs to be important to have been left out.

juances192025-11-29 01:25

Maybe all those are destined to die in the Sacred Timeline, like Wanda in MoM. Their destined fate just hasn't happened yet.

And the ones that wouldn't just die on their own needed deeper schemes to make sure they never exist.

InteractionKitchen122025-11-29 01:41

Would be pretty similar to what the Maker did to the ultimate universe now that I think about it.

Ranos1312025-11-29 00:58

That actually hasn’t been a lingering question since the start of the MCU. They weren’t there because Marvel didn’t have the rights to the characters. So they built a universe without them.

InteractionKitchen122025-11-29 01:00

and yet people still thought Tobey was going to show up in Iron Man, and Marvel had been trying to work out a deal with Sony and Fox to get those characters back well before 2008. So yeah, the question was asked. What people want and what the studio is allowed to do very rarely align that’s not a new thing. Just because they couldn’t legally do it didn’t stop people from asking where have the X-men and Fantastic Four been for the last 20 years.

InteractionKitchen122025-11-29 01:47

Also , I wasn’t saying the MCU has been planning this since Iron Man 1, I just meant it could be a potential in for them now that the characters are available for use and the main question around it is how will they fit into the main universe narratively. They had to put F4 in a completely separate universe to avoid having to answer that exact question yet. Feels like there could be a reason behind it is all, and that reason could be because the answer is going to play a bigger role than we are all expecting.

blackbutterfree2025-11-29 06:21

If Doomsday/Secret Wars has a Infinity Stone level plot device, it'll probably be the Ten Rings and the Quantum Bands (Kamala's bangle).

Meaning Shang-Chi and Ms. Marvel should be on the chopping block.

A_Colorblind_Kid2025-11-29 14:43

Shang-Chi has a sequel currently in development iirc, and they seem to be propping Kamala up as the leader of The Champions/Young Avengers. I’d consider these two more safe than say, Thor or Bucky or Bruce.

BobbyDee872025-11-30 10:41

Apart and a part mean opposite things!

InteractionKitchen122025-11-30 21:38

Whoops, duhh .. thumbs might’ve been moving a little faster than my brain there lol didn’t even notice my mistake

CharacterOld86912025-12-02 14:43

I can see Man-Thing being a plot device.