I love how all 5 members of the Avengers represents Grief after losing Natasha

I think this is an underrated moment in the movie after each member reacted and feel the revelation that Nat is gone and can be return. I mean still agrees with Clint with he Should've tooken the fall not Nat.

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_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_2025-11-28 18:39

*should’ve

curious_dead2025-11-28 18:42

Why should he? He has a family and kids to go back to.

SchruteFarmsBeets_2025-11-28 18:44

They really weren’t entirely sure their plan would work at this point. They were just going with it because they had no other choice to

DarthMMC2025-11-28 18:45

That point still stands. He has more to win that her to be honest

hunterzolomon19932025-11-28 18:51

Because Nat is like a sister to him to the point she's Aunty Nat to his kids. As someone who has a sister who i'm extremely close too i would also be feeling the same as him if i was him.

SorchaRoisin2025-11-28 18:47

A person's life is not less valuable because they don't have children.

BiffJerky092025-11-28 18:51

As a father and husband, this. My life is not more inherently valuable than my brother's just because I started a family and he didn't.

Live_Angle46212025-11-28 19:03

Not when the kids are grown. But yes it is while you are providing for them. The whole concept of society exist to ensure the next generation will be able to exists and is better cared for. And we in general see children’s life having more worth in general than older people’s (not true for all societies however

And I say this someone who doesn’t have kids

NotAStatistic22025-11-28 18:52

He also has an obligation as a parent to be present for his children, and to provide for their needs. That job seems a bit difficult to do when dead.

It's always been weird that he was fighting with his friend to commit suicide first when he has a wife and kids.

BleekerTheBard2025-11-28 19:35

At the time, he didn’t.

While she buckled down in the aftermath of the snap and focused on doing all the good she could, Hawkeye went on a vengeful murder spree doling out justice on those he deemed unworthy to have survived. It makes perfect sense that he sees her as the more valuable life in their current state

PurpleScientist43122025-11-28 19:57

Ehhh it’s a nuanced one. Inherently no their life isn’t more or less valuable but there is a difference if you consider that one has kids that need a father to rely on and support them and the other doesn’t

If I absolutely was forced to choose between a mother/father and a childless person I would choose the former because of that.

SorchaRoisin2025-11-28 20:07

What if the childless person was a doctor who saved lives? What if they ran a business that employed dozens of parents who had families to support? What if they spent time in their community doing charity work that many people relied on?

Natasha specifically was a hero and would have continued to be had she lived. I think she would save more people than Clint ever did.

PurpleScientist43122025-11-28 20:17

I mean that just seems like a lot of what if scenarios?As I said it’s a nuanced take.

Like I could also say what if the mother was a doctor who saved lives and owned a disabled puppy rescue and had superpowers that could blow up a meteorite that is hurtling toward earth?

curious_dead2025-11-28 20:04

I'm not saying his life is worth more, I'm saying there's no reason "Clint should've jumped" like OP claims (as if there's an obvious reason that made him the better sacrifice), and the fact that the plan involves bringing his family means that Nat, being who she is, obviously would never allow him to do that. Like I think many people would IRL.

She's doing this with faith in their plan, and knows that she couldn't live with herself being alive in a world where Clint's kids are brought back and he jumped in her stead. I'm pretty sure that if I had to make the decision and someone killed themselves in my place, I couldn't look at their kids in the eyes out of survivor's guilt. It would definitely eat me.

On top of that, Clint was being self-destructive, any decision he made was not of sound mind.

TheHolyNutofGodwin252025-11-28 18:58

Because of that haircut he got

curious_dead2025-11-28 20:04

This is the best answer.

28DLdiditbetter2025-11-28 19:33

I mean, even if Natasha was the more “morally correct” choice, Clint is human, cared so much for Natasha, and is grieving. He’s going to say it should’ve been him in his grief because his head’s not in the right space.

maybe_a_frog2025-11-28 19:44

His family was dead at the time so no he didn’t. Like first scene of the movie lol

darkthemeonly2025-11-28 18:52

Tooken

squ1dward_tentacles2025-11-28 18:58

this is a stretch even Mr. Fantastic couldn't reach

Iamzerocreative2025-11-28 19:07

Hawk isn't bargaining, Cap isn't depression. Thor, Hulk and Tony fits, okay, but Cap, Hulk, and Hawk are also in acceptance. This is a huge stretch my man

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-28 19:08

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gagi110302025-11-28 19:09

If you veeeeery and I mean VERY losely define definitely, then sure

Iamzerocreative2025-11-28 19:09

No, it doesn't, bc Hawk isn't bargaining and Cap isn't passing through depression. Both of them are accepting

DiveshwarSingh2025-11-28 19:12

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Revenge

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-28 19:37

Yep

Flintstones_VRV_Fan2025-11-28 19:21

“should **have**”

Afwife19922025-11-28 19:40

Cap was grieving because he’d already accepted it. I love him in this scene because it shows how deeply he loved Nat. Usually he’s very take charge but he’s just sitting there with tears running down his face while the others are talking or arguing. For as stoic as he is we see him cry a good bit for those he cares for—Bucky, Peggy, Nat and Tony.

And I also loved Thor’s very emotional reaction and argument with Hawkeye about it being space magic and they shouldn’t just accept it. He didn’t want to lose anyone else.

Alpha_Storm2025-11-28 20:34

I loved it for that reason too.

FoggyInc2025-11-28 19:45

Threw a BENCH out of RAGE. They really went out of their way to make sure Hulk has no cool scenes huh

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-28 19:47

Yep.

Kylynara2025-11-28 20:27

I don't necessarily agree that it should have been Clint. Emotionally, Clint dying would be the less painful choice for most of the audience. (Clint's my favorite Avenger, so I'm an exception to this.) Narratively, Clint surviving was the correct choice. And the emotionally greater impact of Nat's death was exactly what they wanted. It also makes more sense for both the characters themselves and the story as a whole.

I think it's right that both characters would try to sacrifice themselves for each other. I think it would mean more to Nat to give Clint back his family than to live on herself. Clint would always have given his life if it saves others, the fact that it was both his family and half the universe he was saving only adds to that. But also they're only hoping it works, and everything goes to plan. The idea that he could lose Nat too and not get his wife and kids back is just not one he could risk.

That said, he and Nat have fought in every movie they've both been in except Age of Ultron, and she beat him every time. He was absolutely not going to win a fight against her.

Clint didn't really bond with the rest of the team. He's a spy first and he hid everything about himself out of reflex. They weren't close. The team was Nat's family, and her loss would hit them harder, than his.

And he was in 5 movies to her 8, and she had a bigger role in 6 of those than he had in any of his, so we knew her better too. It also would hit the audience harder.

Clint's also the everyman. Giving him back a life with his wife and kids, was showing the happy ending for the regular people of the world. Nat just didn't fill that role and couldn't add that bit.

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