Moments when Black Widow sacrificed herself.

I've noticed that in Marvel's TV series and movies, Black Widows have always sacrificed themselves for someone they care about or for a greater good. And to be honest, I think this is good parallels.

What do you think?

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JDE1739012025-11-26 19:56

they both think they did too much bad stuff to be a hero. they both have heavy hearts.

Severe_Brief_42222025-11-26 21:13

it's like they carry all that guilt and just want to make it right somehow

Remarkable_Neck75282025-11-26 23:55

its wild how that weight can push them to do the ultimate good despite their past

ffsnametaken2025-11-26 19:59

I wish Hawkeye won the sacrifice battle. We showed him going on a killing spree at the start of Endgame, we never saw what Natasha did. Felt like his sacrifice was set up better. Also I prefer her over him

_Levitated_Shield_2025-11-26 20:37

If it helps, he did sacrifice himself in the Infinity Ultron episode.

Character-Inside-2632025-11-26 21:34

I think that was part of the point. He doesn’t get to erase what he’s done. He has to live with that while trying to restructure his home life

CatofKipling2025-11-26 22:09

Me too though my conspiracy theory is the studio wanted Natasha dead instead. They didn’t ever truly want to gamble on female protagonists, they dragged their heels HARD giving her a solo. They probably thought she’d be expensive and they’d lose money on her but, for optics, they gambled with that outcome for ONE movie. As a safe alternative, they bet on Brie Larson who was ultimately much cheaper and wasn’t as big of a star so she couldn’t make demands. This way, again for optics, they could say “Hey *we tried*” if it didn’t work out.

It blew up in their face. Captain Marvel was a success but COVID hit, they tried to fuck Scarjo out of money, ended up settling (which probably was *very* expensive), and The Marvels was panned.

It would’ve been much smarter to just…like, invest in the successful character they’d already built? It’s the same with Wandavision vs MoM. They don’t actually want a powerful, well-paid, well-liked actress playing a character who is powerful and well-liked. They want a cheaper one they can tailor to corporate aesthetic.

wasted-degrees2025-11-26 20:04

Alexei is just a case study in survivor’s guilt.

He survived the fall of the Soviet Union as the man personified as its protector and then subsequently has to watch everyone he has ever loved die, sometimes right in front of him.

FPSGamer482025-11-26 20:27

It makes me hope we see a Winter Guard prequel movie of him in his prime that ends with him going to jail for trumped up charges alongside Ursa Major (as we saw in Black Widow)

Responsible_Egg75192025-11-26 20:07

It was very brave of Yelena to face her worst memories to get to Bob. I love how she fought for him the whole movie.

It makes me sad that she puts so little value in her life, but I’m glad that she’s found purpose and healing now. I hope she gets a longer and more fulfilling life than Natasha had

blackbutterfree2025-11-26 21:52

Dottie Underwood never did lol That one was heartless to the bone.

Hustler-Two2025-11-26 22:39

Well, these are all rogue Widows to some extent.

spidervenom6192025-11-26 22:48

Also to be fair, we don't know what she did Post 1940s, for all we know she could have move back to America and work as a SHIELD agent loyal to her lover Peggy Carter lol.

Hustler-Two2025-11-26 22:50

Uh, no. I feel pretty confident that did not occur.

blackbutterfree2025-11-26 22:58

Her and Peggy were the original toxic yuri. Hated each other and couldn't forget each other. Lmao

I bet Captain Carter awakened things in that world's version of Dottie.

blackbutterfree2025-11-26 23:01

My headcanon has always been that Dottie is Sharon's grandma. Since she was the first Black Widow, she may not have had the graduation ceremony back then. There had to have been a Widow who went rogue due to a pregnancy and caused that to be a thought in the Red Room's mind.

spidervenom6192025-11-26 22:54

These scenes alone prove to me and my family that other then Maybe Steve, Natasha and Yelena might be the most worthy of them all to weir Mijnoir.

Endgame alone makes Natasha Worthy to me, I'm sorry but Odin is a sick man but he ain't that heartless, he would personally considered her to be Worthy

Melina is a bit tougher cause of What If and the Main Melina is kinda a coward but in certain Universes like Marvel Zombies, that version of Odin probably like "Yeah she's able to use the hammer."

The Most heartbreaking parallel for me though is that All three of them (Four if you count Dottie) Probably won't ever think of try to lift up that blasted hammer cause none of them have the Self-Worth to do it.

Lazy_Junket_19602025-11-27 00:13

wild how they both carry that guilt, makes their sacrifices hit even harder, you know?

CruelMetatron2025-11-27 16:01

Parallels for what?

spidervenom6192025-11-28 00:38

Both of the Main MCU Black Widows think so low of themselves and have horrible Self-Worth but in reality they are both willing to make the ultimate Sacrifice play for their Family.

JustDoitGogogo2025-11-28 02:35

Yelena needs a hug🥺

Sending Kate Bishop 🏹

Equivalent-Garlic1002025-11-28 13:25

Just a shame that Yelena didnt also follow Nat's lead and expose the villains crimes to the public and put Val in prison.

Pierce: "Are you sure you're ready for the world to see you as you really are?"
Nat: "Are you"

Nope. Instead Yelena's chose to be a CIA shill to pretend to be an Avenger.

Responsible_Egg75192025-11-28 16:36

Bringing Val down requires exposing the crimes they did for her as well as Bob’s entire existence. I don’t think the world would react well to finding out that Val accidentally made a bipolar drug addict an unstoppable, unkillable super soldier who sent all of NYC to a shadow dimension. Wanda was put on house arrest and then locked up in The Raft for far less. It’s not perfect, but this way they get to stay out of jail and protect Bob while still keeping an eye on Val and taking advantage of her resources

Equivalent-Garlic1002025-11-28 21:48

Yelena, Ava and Walker all could've exposed all her other crimes and had whistleblower immunity. No need to mention Bob specifically, just use the info that she was experimenting on human with the intention of creating a superhuman. There was MORE than enough to condemn Val. Instead they chose to be sell outs. There's NO way they manage to keep Val in check when they're shown to be as incompetent as they are. Val's whole plan was to create a supe so powerful she'd be unimpeachable, and Bucky and Co just handed her a whole team. It's a shocking ending. You're acting like the real Avengers wouldn't have helped Bob if asked (like they did with Wanda).