Since we did have long until another release, I thought to try this. Imagine these eight people would have been in the room & only one walks out alive. On whom would you put your bets?
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orange7slices2025-11-26 15:11
Shang-Chi or Bucky
Si-Nz2025-11-26 15:24
I honestly think walker > bucky.
In the tv show he had just gotten his powers not long ago and he was putting up a good fight 1v2.
And Shang chi is an odd one to rate because for whatever reason marvel decided to give him magical powers. And i mean, isnt he immortal now like his dad? Shouldnt he just win by default because of that?
Youngling_Hunt2025-11-26 15:31
If walker has his shield non taco folded, hes definitely got a higher shot of beating bucky.
DrManhattan_DDM2025-11-26 15:43
How dare you question the taco shield superiority?
Youngling_Hunt2025-11-26 15:47
eriverside2025-11-26 16:00
Why? Bucky is skilled enough to snatch the shield. He did it to cap, no? A lot of these guys are smart/skilled enough to take any weapon from anyone else in this group.
It's about who can outlast the others in a fight. Bucky was a stone cold killer for decades. If he needs to kill to save himself, he will.
the_old_coday1822025-11-26 15:34
Bucky has trauma from murdering people. So he’s not going to fight 100%. Otherwise he’d stomp Walker.
Si-Nz2025-11-26 15:48
Neither of them would stomp the other.
Walker has already displayed super human feats superior to what steve did most of the time, and steve was kind of ragdolling prime brainwashed assassin bucky while holding back more than current bucky ever does.
Spicy_Weissy2025-11-26 16:06
Then Bucky shows off he can flip a kitted out humvee moving at 60 mph
Si-Nz2025-11-26 16:32
can he though? or can wakanda tech.
PoolPartyWithoutTheL2025-11-26 16:16
Genuinely curious, when does Steve "ragdoll" brainwashed bucky?
Si-Nz2025-11-26 16:22
Any time they trade fists? Bucky is going for the kill, steve is trying to be humane and bucky cant finish the job. To have that much restraint and still keeping up is proof enough for me that if both were equally serious steve finishes that fight quick with punch through the skull.
PurposeLess312025-11-26 17:47
Steve never ragdolls Bucky, they are equals in almost every way, Bucky's arm gives him a bigger advantage as it's attached to him as opposed to Steve's shield, but Steve is a better fighter so it evens out. This is apparent in all the times they fight, and their track records are pretty much equal.
Si-Nz2025-11-26 18:02
Not just a better figther but a better serum, a literal one of one.
He is stronger... buckys edge (at that point) was having no humanity and the arm.
Thats like saying spiderman is on par with everybody he fights because he has beat or been beaten by most of his iconic villains when most of them wouldlnt be able to do anything vs him if he went truely all out.
Steve before knowing who the winter soldier is already holds back because thats just who he is as a person, and then after learning its bucky clearly wants to save him and holds back more.
If they were equals why on earth would they willingly go to try and find 5 other winter soldiers who bucky knew were stronger than even himself? By themselves with no backup? They on a suicide mission? You think bucky would have let steve go there if he knew they were outmatched?
ultimateradman2025-11-26 20:39
They are not equals,Steve is much stronger.
PurposeLess312025-11-26 20:45
Shown where?
PoolPartyWithoutTheL2025-11-26 18:25
I mean, ya, he was keeping up with Bucky despite not trying to kill him, which is impressive to be sure. But he almost loses everytime he fights bucky, whether he is holding back or not. Which is absolutely not "ragdolling" someone.
A better example of Steve ragdolling someone is against Batroc at the beginning of Winter Soldier.
Si-Nz2025-11-26 18:26
I mean for the record, i did say "kinda ragdolling".
PoolPartyWithoutTheL2025-11-26 18:27
Which from what we see in the film, is still wrong.
the_old_coday1822025-11-26 16:27
Winter Soldier never went after anyone who wasn’t an assigned target. A true assassin. All of his action scenes in CATWS are him trying to get away from Steve, SHIELD, Black Panda, etc. He avoids fighting them unless they have him cornered, and in which case he only goes hard enough to make himself an escape opening. Plus his brainwashed self still recognized Steve and held back to a degree.
So not great for power scaling.
We haven’t seen Walker do any feats *that great* so far. There’s the vertical jump in the tunnel, but technically we’ve never seen Cap or Bucky try that. He tried to save the falling truck but Sam had to help.
Experience-wise, yes Walker was an elite soldier. But Bucky’s had 70+ years of on again off again assassin training. And experience fighting Black Panther, Steve, Thanos’ army, Thanos himself…
Plus, there’s the vibration arm.
NeonSherpa2025-11-27 12:33
Ladies love the vibration arm
Defiant_Wheel48882025-11-26 15:37
Shangchi does not only have magical power you forgot one thing he got trained in martial arts. so with that including his magical power \[controling of weather \] i assume he can win the room alive
igby12025-11-26 15:48
Yeah Shang-Chi is a good bet.
OP could this last-one-standing thought experiment take place on a moving public bus?
Si-Nz2025-11-26 15:54
I didnt forget it, i just dont rate it. Unlike the comics they didnt really hype up his martial arts much, the only points of reference we have for how good they are is him beating up other people who went through the same training.
Defiant_Wheel48882025-11-26 16:49
I also added that in mcu he has connection with wong as well
Embarrassed-Box29072025-11-26 15:54
Counterpoint.
Walker got knocked out by 1 kick from Karli in the final episode of FATWS, while minutes prior Bucky walloped Karli the fuck out while also fighting 2v1 against Karli and another flag-smasher.
Then again the show had Sam no sell a kick to the head from Super Soldier Walker even though Super Soldier Walker got knocked out from 1 kick from Karli. Makes sense!
The power levels don’t mean shit in that show.
Not to mention we’ve seen way better fights from Bucky before
Bucky’s fought iron man, and his arm was demonstrated to be able to contend with the iron man suit.
Bucky fended off Black Panther.
Bucky’s fought aliens.
So one of two things happened in FATWS. Bucky was nerfed the fuck out of and apparently lost all prior fighting skill, or Bucky was HolDInG bacK, either way they found an excuse to downplay Bucky to make sure Falcon had something to contribute.
Can’t be having Bucky solo the man that ‘Stole’ the shield from Falcon who’s supposed to be the new Cap, can we?
The fact that Bucky’s arm was a complete non-factor that he barely even uses when fighting Walker I’m gonna settle for the holding back excuse.
PLZ_N_THKS2025-11-26 15:56
Even without his magic rings Shang-Chi (at least in the comics) is the best hand-to-hand fighter on Earth.
If that holds true for the MCU then he would be the odds on favorite to win in hand-to-hand combat with the rest of these guys.
Si-Nz2025-11-26 15:59
There is no evidence to support him being the best hand to hand figher on earth in the movie.
He was struggling to deal with a guy whose powers were: he is big and has a knife hand.
Look im not arguing against Shang Chi in this scenario, i also think he gets out. But is a pretty unfair matchup because if you take away his rings, take away vibranium shields, guns and wakandan arms he gets ragedolled by super soldiers.
Stunning_Humor6722025-11-26 16:04
But shang chi washed knife hand guy, along with his several trained buddies, while protecting everyone from collateral damage and coordinating an evacuation mid fight.
Where was the struggle you speak of? Is it in the room with us right now?
Si-Nz2025-11-26 16:08
Ok then why didnt he just KO the guy and park the bus? Why was the only solution to literally run away? Why was knife guy unharmed? And even walked away with his pendant which was his mission to begin with?
Look im not saying shang chi loses to random knife guy in 1v1, obviously not, but if he was literally THE BEST HAND TO HAND FIGHTER ON EARTH i doubt knife guy ever gets the chance to be a threat to those people in that bus. I dont really see Steve, or bucky or walker, ever letting that bus get split in half.
And if he is meant to be that image of him you guys have from the comics then the movie did a terrible job of portraying him that way, because he just comes across as karate kid with super powers that activate with karate skill.
Stunning_Humor6722025-11-26 16:21
Run away? My brother in thanos who the fuck ran away? 4 dudes. 3 thrown out windows, probably dead, at least out of the fight. Fourth guy gets chest kicked into a crumpling section of bus due to a plan shang chi put together on the fly and put into motion while goofing off during the fight. Shang chi didn’t run from knife guy, he was at best dead and at worst incapacitated. Which by the way, the fact that knife dude DID just get up and walk away from that scene should be enough to show he clearly just wasn’t some thug.
So shang chi did everything I mentioned in my first comment with fight control to save bystanders, had time to goof off and flirt, (apparent to shang chi) dropped everyone before the end of the fight, did all of it in less than 5 minutes, and did it hitless to pull it all together.
So…. Where’s the struggle again?
Si-Nz2025-11-26 16:45
I dunno why you keep mentioning the random thugs, everyone on this list can 1 tap comic book thugs. I promise you if any of the super soldiers get a hit on any of these people they arent coming back to get thrown out of a window.
And letting some guy steal your property, destroy a bus and walk away isnt the W that you think it is.
LeSnazzyGamer2025-11-26 16:47
I mean you’re ignoring the fact that he’s fighting four dudes and trying not to get anyone on the bus killed AND the bus is swerving and about to crash every five seconds.
Si-Nz2025-11-26 16:51
Im not ignoring it. Im arguing against a person being the, quote, BEST FIGHTER ON EARTH, in the marvel cinematic universe, i dont care what the best fighter on earth can do to like 4 redshirts.
And since you people hate the word struggle (or dont understand the definition of it) he did not manage to stop a cyborg before he split a bus in half and ran off with his property.
Im not saying shang chi is a bad fighter, or low tier fighter, or even arguing against him being a top tier fighter, im arguing against him being the BEST ON EARTH, you realize what that title carries in meaning in a franchise with literally dozens of super powered people living on earth?
We have no evidence to support this. (ill even concede and say he might really be the best, he just has not shown it yet)
Comic feats are meaningless.
Cope.
LordSmorc2025-11-26 17:19
Nobody in these comments has stated that Shang Chi is the best fighter on the Earth in the MCU, you're arguing against something that wasn't said. Hence the downvotes.
Klekto1232025-11-26 16:11
okay but if we’re taking away all powers then you can’t include the super soldier serum either. at which point this debate becomes pointless
Si-Nz2025-11-26 16:26
My issue is not with them having powers or not, my issue is that shang chis powers are vastly superior to everyone else making this matchup pointless. He should not be in this discussion to begin with.
Literal flying magical indestructible drones that you command at will (and also make you immortal?) vs .. err.. punch harder.
Chogglepants2025-11-26 17:30
He's immortal from aging while wearing the rings I'd imagine. He could still die i presume. He's only been in the one origin story film though, so we have no idea what he's capable of several years after at this point. If it's anything like comic Shang Chi, this is no contest, but i doubt they'll put him at that level.
Si-Nz2025-11-26 17:51
I dont think he needs to be like himself from the comics but i wish they would flesh out his own power level more rather than that of the rings. He needs a scene in one of his following appearances were one of the established avengers underestimates him and he plants them on their ass with some slick martial arts or something.
I even think they had the right idea, Shang Chi in the comics was like "what if bruce lee was in the marvel universe" and shang chi could just be "what if jackie chan was in the marvel universe" which is essentially what they did in the first half of that movie.
Chogglepants2025-11-26 18:16
Oh, 100% I loved his characterization. Shang chi was a really fun movie to watch as well. I'm just sad it's been almost 5 years and we still haven't seen him again 😞
orange7slices2025-11-26 20:16
I love Walker but I said Bucky over Walker because of his vibranium arm
TilakPPRE2025-11-27 02:32
Shang Chi would be immortal if he wore the Ten Rings all the time, which he isn't. I'm not counting the rings in my guess for some reason. Doesn't feel like a permanent part of him.
InternationalCan12472025-11-26 17:11
the real question is which one would you want to have your back in a fight
ShotStorm81712025-11-26 15:15
Shang-Chi he's the only one with piwers
Obi_1_Kenobee2025-11-26 15:36
how do you define powers? Bucky, Walker and Daredevil all have powers.
HappyStalker2025-11-26 15:52
The 10 rings were used to fight entire armies solo
Obi_1_Kenobee2025-11-26 15:57
I don’t dispute that. I was arguing his comment that SC is the only one with powers. anything that pushes you above the limits of normal human ability is, by definition, a power.
two super soldiers and the blind guy with superhuman senses def qualify as powers.
that being said, you’re right. SC would mop the floor if he had his rings.
ShotStorm81712025-11-26 18:42
Lessay supernatural or magic powers
ubutterscotchpine2025-11-26 15:15
Shang-Chi has the advantage of literal magic so.
Username890542025-11-26 15:30
Ground rules need to be established. Is Frank armed the way he always is? If so, he has a good shot, pun intended. If we're talking no weapons/no rings for Shang Chi, then it's Bucky or Walker.
igby12025-11-26 16:06
Yelena allowed to use her impeccable wit?
Danielarcher302025-11-26 19:01
Does bucky's arm count as a weapon? Does he lose that too?
DodneyRangerfield2025-11-28 16:46
Well he's gotta be unarmed
Adipay2025-11-26 15:15
Everyone who isn't a super soldier just gets bodied.
King_Joeyw002025-11-26 15:17
Well I know it’s not Fisk haha, they probably all gang up on him to start. At the end probably Bucky or Walker unless Shang has the rings. I’m leaning towards Bucky.
Relevant_Film55272025-11-26 15:18
If Shangchi doesn't have the ten rings then I'll put my bet on Bucky. Otherwise, shang chi.
OG_Williker2025-11-26 15:25
I’d bet on Shang Chi even without the rings, staff, or dragonscale armor. His ta lo martial arts alone are/is very strong
Spicy_Weissy2025-11-26 16:07
But he's still just a guy.
OG_Williker2025-11-26 16:13
Eh, it depends on how much you think the dragonscale armor protected him from mandarin's punch that sent him halfway across the lake. Also, the martial arts style gives him extraordinary evasion and some wind manipulation for ranged combat.
Spicy_Weissy2025-11-26 18:14
I forgot about the armor. There's some definite hand waving going on with how durable Shang Chi is in that movie.
JyconX2025-11-26 17:44
A very skilled kungfu fighter guy. With or without the armor and the Rings.
Spicy_Weissy2025-11-26 18:11
Very skilled. But again, Bucky could cave in his chest with one hit.
dntExit2025-11-26 18:21
Thats what I'm thinking. The serum makes him too physically superior plus his arm which is stronger still and could overpower Rogers.
ParkerLF2025-11-27 09:18
No amount of martial arts is stronger than a gun if you don’t have any protection.
Responsible_Egg75192025-11-26 15:19
1. Bucky
2. Walker
3. Shang Chi (w/o rings)
4. Yelena
5. Xialing
6. Frank
7. Matt
8. Fisk
TilakPPRE2025-11-27 04:00
Frank over Matt is crazy
Diortheking2025-11-26 15:22
Gotta remove the rings or shang washes
PCofSHIELD2025-11-26 19:49
Without the ring Bucky & Walker wash
jubmille20002025-11-26 15:25
Current shang chi has the 10 rings. So uh.
batakablack2025-11-26 15:31
Probably Shang,
Both Bucky and Shang could take Fisk, Red, Xu, punisher, or the widow 1V1
Fisk could clear Red, Xu, punisher or the widow
Daredevil couldnt beat Xu or Shang and probably couldnt take bucky.
Punisher couldnt beat Dare devil so he real low on the list plus he mad suicidal.
Red isnt beating anyone on this list, maybe punisher but he just a little more crazy sooooo
The question tho can the winter soldier beat the ten rings? I think not, only thing is does Shang kill?
batakablack2025-11-26 15:35
Sorry I thought walker was red Guardian. Still he like dead last
Everwild7472025-11-26 22:17
Walker dead last? 😂
TilakPPRE2025-11-27 03:59
Fisk has lost to Red before. They fought one on one at the end of Season 1. Heck, he beat him while fighting Bullseye and keeping anyone from dying in Season 3. It's pretty even, but Red has a better track record against Fisk.
ProfessionalOwn81332025-11-26 15:31
In the room? Idk
In a hallway? Matt
TheBosk2025-11-26 16:35
Hah!
No-Today-24592025-11-26 15:33
PCofSHIELD2025-11-26 19:45
Not without the 10 rings
No-Today-24592025-11-26 19:47
no he wouldn't need the rings for these characters
PCofSHIELD2025-11-26 21:25
Without the 10 rings he’s just a highly skilled human like Yelena, his sister (who he couldn’t beat) and pretty much Matt while Bucky & Walker are highly skilled SUPERhumans
hemareddit2025-11-26 23:20
He still has airbending though.
PCofSHIELD2025-11-26 23:20
Only in Ta Lo Also
Pale-Replacement-8872025-11-26 15:38
Don't underestimate Walker
Defiant_Wheel48882025-11-26 15:38
My bet is on shangchi his martial arts+ magical power \[ rings + controlling of air \]
Gunslinger79742025-11-26 15:39
if we go by consistent achievements/scale
Would it be Bucky or Shang
theknyte2025-11-26 15:39
How long and narrow is the room? If it's hallway like, then I have to go with Daredevil.
extradabbingsauce2025-11-26 16:17
I do t think he's physically strong enough to stop a super soldier
BleekerTheBard2025-11-26 16:49
He’s also not gonna kill anyone so if he somehow made final 2 he’s not killing the other person
theknyte2025-11-26 19:05
He kind of has the same No Kill Rule as Batman. In that, he won't end a life, but has no issues paralyzing someone and forcing them to eat through a straw for the rest of their lives.
He could definitely incapacitate everyone else enough, that they can't physically leave the room under their own power. So, he'd still kind of win on a technicality.
BravoLeader30002025-11-26 15:43
Does Shang-Chi have the Twn Rings? Then him, easily. If they have no weapons, or just, like, guns or (especially) knives, then Bucky: he has more experience than Walker, or even Frank, plus the super-soldier serum, so he could overpower Matt, Shang-Chi, Xialing, and Fisk.
GarrodRanX22025-11-26 15:43
Shang-Chi is literally just a guy who knows Kung Fu without the rings, which is why Marvel made the creative decision to give him the nerfed bastardization of the Ten Rings. Xialing, same. Fisk is simply a big strong guy. Punisher without weapons shouldn't even be in this conversation. Yelena at least has the experience of being a hardened assassin.
It's between the only two people here with actual superpowers. Bucky takes it cos of the robot arm and much more experience than Walker.
BartleBossy2025-11-26 15:45
Bloodlusted?
Powers > No powers.
Bucky, Walker and Matt are most likely.
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In-character is a different discussion.
Aerolithe_Lion2025-11-26 15:50
Weapons or no weapons? Punisher with some firearms would instantly eliminate Shang’s sister, Kingpin, maybe Bucky. Shang Chi though with his rings probably wins
No weapons and Bucky still needs to have his arm so he has a dramatic advantage over everyone here. Nobody here could survive if he got close enough to them
Odd_Arm63282025-11-26 15:52
I’m just saying right, considering Bucky was a much more fit soldier than Steve pre serum, he should’ve been stronger than Steve but weaker than John. But considering the vibranium arm, the winter soldier technique, and the century of extra experience, he’s beating John in a good written fight
Martial arts wise tho nobody is gonna beat Shang chi, especially with the rings
Butterfly_Wings2222025-11-26 15:56
Bucky, he could do it with his jawline alone.
Rogainster2025-11-26 15:56
4 people with high martial abilities; 2 enhanced humans, one with a robot arm; a big dude; a guy with literal magic powers. Hmmm
SinginGidget2025-11-26 16:02
Not sure, but if they all don't agree to take out Fisk first, none of them deserve to walk out at all. After that, Matt can talk them all down, Yelena will say something sarcastic and she and Xu Xialing will become instant frenemies. Fank will get annoyed, scream and punch a wall and then leave. Bucky and John will just shrug at each other because they don't want to answer the question of who would win in a fight between them. Bucky is tired, John is tired. They just want to sit in the New Avengers tower and watch CSI reruns or something.
takyudedunada2025-11-26 16:06
Bucky. Walker just don’t have enough skills, and Shang-Chi just a human, even if he’s best fighter in this room.
Swifty2552025-11-26 16:14
Is this a room or a hallway?
black_metronome2025-11-26 16:16
Shang Chi with the ten rings would pretty much slaughter the entire room
xhxrlee2025-11-26 16:18
shang-chi is literally like top 3 best h2h fighters in marvel….
justafanboy10102025-11-26 16:30
Very random line up I’ll say. But I like it
SouthernBiscuit2025-11-26 16:50
Are there weapons? Because if there’s a gun, Frank just shoots them all and it’s over in seconds.
Beleg_Sanwise2025-11-26 17:02
Shang-Chi
Vashishth_322025-11-26 17:16
Shang chi or U.S. agent is my guess
blodyn__tatws2025-11-26 17:18
Bucky.
I'm always all in with Bucky.
medyas12025-11-26 17:23
kingpin, car door, unlucky dude on receiving end
whereisthehugbutton2025-11-26 17:36
Does Shang-Chi have the rings?? Cuz that makes a huge difference here
Sargaron2025-11-26 17:47
Shang- chi would win
CaptHayfever2025-11-26 17:47
We already know MCU Daredevil absolutely *can* kill MCU Kingpin; he just refuses to on religious grounds, so it's definitely not Fisk. (And because of the no-killing, it's also definitely not Matt.)
For the others, it depends on what they're packing:
The Punisher or a Widow or the Winter Soldier with a gun could immediately slaughter Xialing.
If they flank Walker, he's gone too; he can't shield more than 1 direction.
Likewise, if Yelena & Frank flank Bucky, he's gone.
And also likewise, if Yelena & Bucky flank Frank, he's gone.
And also also likewise, if Frank & Bucky flank Yelena, she's gone.
The Ten Rings, however, *can* shield attacks from multiple directions while *also* attacking multiple targets.
So if their weapons are in play, Shang-Chi wins.
*Without* weapons, on the other hand, this gets trickier.
Frank will go because he's the easiest to overwhelm by force of numbers; a bunch of idiot cops were able to dogpile him, so I'm sure 2 super soldiers & 3 assassins could do so as well.
Yelena absolutely cannot beat Walker one-on-one, but a temporary alliance with Shang-Chi & Xialing could do the trick. Overall here, I'd bet on Bucky.
-YellowFinch2025-11-26 18:06
Bucky or Yelena.
I think they'd team up, and then they'd both die at the end of their injuries.
Then Fisk would get up and walk out because he >!faked his death again.!<
madmorgzie2025-11-26 18:21
Are the lights on or off?
RickFletching2025-11-26 18:35
Matt: Wait! The rules clearly state that only one of us can walk out alive.
Punisher: *needlessly cocks automatic pistol* you got that right Red
Matt: No, listen. Frank, you walk out of here. Agent Walker, you skip out of here.
John: I don’t want to skip!
Matt: Then stay in here. Bucky you can, hop out, I guess. Shawn-do you still go by Shawn? Why don’t you moonwalk? Yelana, you can dance out.
Xialing: And what about us, lawman?
Matt: I assume you can walk on your hands? I’ll flip out, and Fisk, why don’t you scooch on your bottom like a baby that can’t quite figure out crawling. Ok, let’s go!
*flips away*
RegularDude7112025-11-26 19:32
They will die in this order:
Xu Xialing
Yelena
Kingpin
Frank
Matt
Walker
Bucky
Shang Chi walks
BeastieX472025-11-26 20:22
Shang chi folding everyone
Davien6362025-11-26 21:00
Xu, so Shang-Chi is going to clear the room of anyone that could hurt his sister.
At which point she stabs him in the back.
Fat_Stacks12025-11-26 22:50
Bucky
AsteroidMike2025-11-26 22:54
Either Bucky or Shang-Chi, who I’m assuming has the rings on him. Bucky’s a formerly brainwashed assassin who’s also a super soldier with a metallic arm who trained next to Captain America and has specialized in killing people.
spidervenom6192025-11-26 23:01
1. Bucky.
2. Yelena
3. Matt
4. Xialing.
5. Shang (W/o Rings)
6. Walker
7.Frank
8. Fisk.
I'll think we can all agree on that the fact that Fisk is probably a dead man walking into the room lol, Walker and Frank for both Morons, Shang w/o ring is just a normal human being that lost to his sister, Yelena is willing to killed a man, and Matt and Bucky aren't moronic like Walker and have super powers.
The Biggest issue for me with Matt is his no kill Rule something that the other heroes don't have but I can see him temporary put the hold on that it if Walker or Xialing kills Castle.
yungstark222025-11-26 23:11
can’t AI make us a video of the conclusion?
I dunno lol what’s Grok say
_conner082025-11-26 23:50
Who's the woman next to Yelena
bob4662722025-11-26 23:56
If no 10 rings then Bucky, super soldier, the arm, and he is very capable of lethal violence
BalladOfAntiSocial2025-11-27 00:27
Punisher vs winter soldier would be AMAZING
Otherwise-Tomato-7882025-11-27 01:42
Shang Chi, coz ChatGPT says so.
“He’s the best hand to hand martial artists in all of MCU, his speed and agility beats all of them. The only one who has a chance is US AGENT w a 40% success rate”
Interesting…I hope they make a Shangchi2
cshelley07212025-11-27 02:08
Shang-Chi
TilakPPRE2025-11-27 02:28
If there are guns included, and if we ignore their character:
Walker> Bucky> Daredevil > Yelena > Punisher > Shang Chi > Fisk > Shang Chi's sister.
Bucky must be a little past his prime by now. We saw Steve lose to his younger self already. Walker also might have a stronger super serum. Bucky during his Winter Soldier era would probably win.
Dismal_View_51212025-11-27 03:04
Bucky and Walker are super soldiers and Shang-Chi has the ten rings. So it would be down to three real quickly. And Shang-Chi took out a fucking Kaiju with those things so my money is on him. Either that or Kingpin sits back and manipulates all the others to kill each other.
j--__2025-11-27 03:57
yelena, because if there's anybody left at marvel studios who knows what they're doing, she has plot armor due to having more star potential than the rest of these people combined.
jsnxander2025-11-27 07:02
Armed with their signature weapons, e.g., guns, adamantium arm + gun, detachable nunchucks, ham sized fists, multiple guns & knives, guns and fighting staves? and maybe the stinger things, guns & shield; I'm pretty sure they'd lose to the immortal guy with the magical rings that give him superhuman strength, durability, speed, stamina and flight. Also, the immortal guy trained to fight longer than a Black Widow and was trained to fight by, uh, an immortal fighter's trainers.
However, if they did fight, they'd all be nerfed or somehow equalized for entertainment's sake.
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In the tv show he had just gotten his powers not long ago and he was putting up a good fight 1v2.
And Shang chi is an odd one to rate because for whatever reason marvel decided to give him magical powers. And i mean, isnt he immortal now like his dad? Shouldnt he just win by default because of that?
It's about who can outlast the others in a fight. Bucky was a stone cold killer for decades. If he needs to kill to save himself, he will.
Walker has already displayed super human feats superior to what steve did most of the time, and steve was kind of ragdolling prime brainwashed assassin bucky while holding back more than current bucky ever does.
He is stronger... buckys edge (at that point) was having no humanity and the arm.
Thats like saying spiderman is on par with everybody he fights because he has beat or been beaten by most of his iconic villains when most of them wouldlnt be able to do anything vs him if he went truely all out.
Steve before knowing who the winter soldier is already holds back because thats just who he is as a person, and then after learning its bucky clearly wants to save him and holds back more.
If they were equals why on earth would they willingly go to try and find 5 other winter soldiers who bucky knew were stronger than even himself? By themselves with no backup? They on a suicide mission? You think bucky would have let steve go there if he knew they were outmatched?
A better example of Steve ragdolling someone is against Batroc at the beginning of Winter Soldier.
So not great for power scaling.
We haven’t seen Walker do any feats *that great* so far. There’s the vertical jump in the tunnel, but technically we’ve never seen Cap or Bucky try that. He tried to save the falling truck but Sam had to help.
Experience-wise, yes Walker was an elite soldier. But Bucky’s had 70+ years of on again off again assassin training. And experience fighting Black Panther, Steve, Thanos’ army, Thanos himself…
Plus, there’s the vibration arm.
OP could this last-one-standing thought experiment take place on a moving public bus?
Walker got knocked out by 1 kick from Karli in the final episode of FATWS, while minutes prior Bucky walloped Karli the fuck out while also fighting 2v1 against Karli and another flag-smasher.
Then again the show had Sam no sell a kick to the head from Super Soldier Walker even though Super Soldier Walker got knocked out from 1 kick from Karli. Makes sense!
The power levels don’t mean shit in that show.
Not to mention we’ve seen way better fights from Bucky before
Bucky’s fought iron man, and his arm was demonstrated to be able to contend with the iron man suit.
Bucky fended off Black Panther.
Bucky’s fought aliens.
So one of two things happened in FATWS. Bucky was nerfed the fuck out of and apparently lost all prior fighting skill, or Bucky was HolDInG bacK, either way they found an excuse to downplay Bucky to make sure Falcon had something to contribute.
Can’t be having Bucky solo the man that ‘Stole’ the shield from Falcon who’s supposed to be the new Cap, can we?
The fact that Bucky’s arm was a complete non-factor that he barely even uses when fighting Walker I’m gonna settle for the holding back excuse.
If that holds true for the MCU then he would be the odds on favorite to win in hand-to-hand combat with the rest of these guys.
He was struggling to deal with a guy whose powers were: he is big and has a knife hand.
Look im not arguing against Shang Chi in this scenario, i also think he gets out. But is a pretty unfair matchup because if you take away his rings, take away vibranium shields, guns and wakandan arms he gets ragedolled by super soldiers.
Where was the struggle you speak of? Is it in the room with us right now?
Look im not saying shang chi loses to random knife guy in 1v1, obviously not, but if he was literally THE BEST HAND TO HAND FIGHTER ON EARTH i doubt knife guy ever gets the chance to be a threat to those people in that bus. I dont really see Steve, or bucky or walker, ever letting that bus get split in half.
And if he is meant to be that image of him you guys have from the comics then the movie did a terrible job of portraying him that way, because he just comes across as karate kid with super powers that activate with karate skill.
So shang chi did everything I mentioned in my first comment with fight control to save bystanders, had time to goof off and flirt, (apparent to shang chi) dropped everyone before the end of the fight, did all of it in less than 5 minutes, and did it hitless to pull it all together.
So…. Where’s the struggle again?
And letting some guy steal your property, destroy a bus and walk away isnt the W that you think it is.
And since you people hate the word struggle (or dont understand the definition of it) he did not manage to stop a cyborg before he split a bus in half and ran off with his property.
Im not saying shang chi is a bad fighter, or low tier fighter, or even arguing against him being a top tier fighter, im arguing against him being the BEST ON EARTH, you realize what that title carries in meaning in a franchise with literally dozens of super powered people living on earth?
We have no evidence to support this. (ill even concede and say he might really be the best, he just has not shown it yet)
Comic feats are meaningless.
Cope.
Literal flying magical indestructible drones that you command at will (and also make you immortal?) vs .. err.. punch harder.
I even think they had the right idea, Shang Chi in the comics was like "what if bruce lee was in the marvel universe" and shang chi could just be "what if jackie chan was in the marvel universe" which is essentially what they did in the first half of that movie.
two super soldiers and the blind guy with superhuman senses def qualify as powers.
that being said, you’re right. SC would mop the floor if he had his rings.
2. Walker
3. Shang Chi (w/o rings)
4. Yelena
5. Xialing
6. Frank
7. Matt
8. Fisk
Both Bucky and Shang could take Fisk, Red, Xu, punisher, or the widow 1V1
Fisk could clear Red, Xu, punisher or the widow
Daredevil couldnt beat Xu or Shang and probably couldnt take bucky.
Punisher couldnt beat Dare devil so he real low on the list plus he mad suicidal.
Red isnt beating anyone on this list, maybe punisher but he just a little more crazy sooooo
The question tho can the winter soldier beat the ten rings? I think not, only thing is does Shang kill?
In a hallway? Matt
Would it be Bucky or Shang
He could definitely incapacitate everyone else enough, that they can't physically leave the room under their own power. So, he'd still kind of win on a technicality.
It's between the only two people here with actual superpowers. Bucky takes it cos of the robot arm and much more experience than Walker.
Powers > No powers.
Bucky, Walker and Matt are most likely.
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In-character is a different discussion.
No weapons and Bucky still needs to have his arm so he has a dramatic advantage over everyone here. Nobody here could survive if he got close enough to them
Martial arts wise tho nobody is gonna beat Shang chi, especially with the rings
I'm always all in with Bucky.
For the others, it depends on what they're packing:
The Punisher or a Widow or the Winter Soldier with a gun could immediately slaughter Xialing.
If they flank Walker, he's gone too; he can't shield more than 1 direction.
Likewise, if Yelena & Frank flank Bucky, he's gone.
And also likewise, if Yelena & Bucky flank Frank, he's gone.
And also also likewise, if Frank & Bucky flank Yelena, she's gone.
The Ten Rings, however, *can* shield attacks from multiple directions while *also* attacking multiple targets.
So if their weapons are in play, Shang-Chi wins.
*Without* weapons, on the other hand, this gets trickier.
Frank will go because he's the easiest to overwhelm by force of numbers; a bunch of idiot cops were able to dogpile him, so I'm sure 2 super soldiers & 3 assassins could do so as well.
Yelena absolutely cannot beat Walker one-on-one, but a temporary alliance with Shang-Chi & Xialing could do the trick. Overall here, I'd bet on Bucky.
I think they'd team up, and then they'd both die at the end of their injuries.
Then Fisk would get up and walk out because he >!faked his death again.!<
Punisher: *needlessly cocks automatic pistol* you got that right Red
Matt: No, listen. Frank, you walk out of here. Agent Walker, you skip out of here.
John: I don’t want to skip!
Matt: Then stay in here. Bucky you can, hop out, I guess. Shawn-do you still go by Shawn? Why don’t you moonwalk? Yelana, you can dance out.
Xialing: And what about us, lawman?
Matt: I assume you can walk on your hands? I’ll flip out, and Fisk, why don’t you scooch on your bottom like a baby that can’t quite figure out crawling. Ok, let’s go!
*flips away*
Xu Xialing
Yelena
Kingpin
Frank
Matt
Walker
Bucky
Shang Chi walks
At which point she stabs him in the back.
2. Yelena
3. Matt
4. Xialing.
5. Shang (W/o Rings)
6. Walker
7.Frank
8. Fisk.
I'll think we can all agree on that the fact that Fisk is probably a dead man walking into the room lol, Walker and Frank for both Morons, Shang w/o ring is just a normal human being that lost to his sister, Yelena is willing to killed a man, and Matt and Bucky aren't moronic like Walker and have super powers.
The Biggest issue for me with Matt is his no kill Rule something that the other heroes don't have but I can see him temporary put the hold on that it if Walker or Xialing kills Castle.
I dunno lol what’s Grok say
“He’s the best hand to hand martial artists in all of MCU, his speed and agility beats all of them. The only one who has a chance is US AGENT w a 40% success rate”
Interesting…I hope they make a Shangchi2
Walker> Bucky> Daredevil > Yelena > Punisher > Shang Chi > Fisk > Shang Chi's sister.
Guns included and they act like themselves:
Walker> Bucky> Fisk > Punisher > Yelena > Shang Chi's sister > Shang Chi > Daredevil
Bucky must be a little past his prime by now. We saw Steve lose to his younger self already. Walker also might have a stronger super serum. Bucky during his Winter Soldier era would probably win.
However, if they did fight, they'd all be nerfed or somehow equalized for entertainment's sake.