Daredevil fans- do you think Karen Page has any more atoning to do?

I'm wondering, given the choices Karen made in Season 1 of Daredevil and the way it led to >!Ben Urich's death !< do you feel Karen has fully made up for it? Or with Ben's niece now a prominent journalist in Born Again, is there more that she needs to/should do as Born Again continues? P.S. People seem to think I believe Karen shouldn't be forgiven- that's not my position. I do wonder though whether there's some kind of interaction that could be mutually good between her and Ben's niece, so at least Ben's niece could know what happened.

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rubyschnees2025-11-26 00:24

the way people refuse to forgive female characters for anything but will let male characters get away with everything is a plague of so many fandoms

Kj699999992025-11-26 00:28

It's actually insane lmao like you have people defending the fkin punisher on a daily basis but Karen has to atone for the rest of her life. And acting like Ben Urich wasn't a grown man who made his own choices to get involved in that investigation.

Extension-While75362025-11-26 00:30

I didn't say I don't. I asked what fans think. Karen's been through more than enough herself since so it's not about not forgiving her. It's more part of me thinks she ought to at least meet/have some kind of interaction with Urich's niece.

Caciulacdlac2025-11-26 00:25

I fully blame Fisk for Urich's death, so IMO she didn't have to atone for anything in the first place.

sacredlunatic2025-11-26 00:26

Feel free to justify the suggestion that Karen is responsible for Ben’s death.

Extension-While75362025-11-26 00:29

I don't think she's directly responsible. I do think Ben died partially for a line that she decided to cross in that nursing home. Then again, he did follow her into the interview.

Eastern_Hornet_64322025-11-26 00:55

When good fights evil, sometimes people die. That's not a reason for good not to fight evil. There's no way to live your life that guarantees that people won't die. Fisk was already killing people; that's the entire reason Karen got involved in the story in the first place. Her trying to do something about it isn't why Ben died, not even partially.

Spideytorchsolos2025-11-26 00:33

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Extension-While75362025-11-26 00:37

whoa, the Westview hex and Karen's actions in the nursing home are nowhere NEAR equivalent.

NJTurnPyke2025-11-26 00:40

I’m not saying you intended it this way, but the comments so far are a pretty clear telling this is a very misogynistic take. You might wanna take some time to think about why you feel this way.

Extension-While75362025-11-26 01:46

I think it's mainly because Karen was the one responsible for the interview happening and Ben died for it. And I guess I liked Ben's character so much that I didn't think it was at all right for that to happen. Of course it was at Fisk's hands, 100 percent. I just feel Ben got a raw deal.

knotsteve2025-11-26 00:41

Karen has atoning to do?

esar242025-11-26 01:02

The only interaction I wanted to see between karen and BB are mentorship since she is probably a good lawyer and definitely a good journalist, BB probably already blaming the death of her uncle 100% on fisk.

OjamasOfTomorrow2025-11-26 01:09

Karen didn’t do anything wrong. She has nothing to atone for regarding this. Ben knew the fire he was playing with getting back in the game. Every one of these characters do. Kingpin is the only one to blame.

DSTREET452025-11-26 06:20

People responsible for Ben's death:
* Wilson Fisk for the actual murder.
* Ellison's secretary for informing Fisk that Ben was going to write about his mother when she heard Ben and Ellison argue about it in front of the office.

I feel like people forgot that Wesley was dead and that Fisk's mom forgot everything about meeting Karen and Ben. So nobody who knew about Ben and Karen meeting her before S1 Ep12 could relay the information to Fisk.

Fisk wouldn't have killed Ben if it wasn't for the secretary...who didn't know about Ben meeting Fisk's mom until Ben and Ellison argued about the story.

Karen has nothing to atone for with Ben's death. FFS Ben's wife didn't think that Karen was at fault.

spidervenom6192025-11-26 10:49

I swear to Odin himself that this "Holding Females characters to a higher standard" is going to killed us just like it did to so many other fandoms.

This event happened like 11 years irl and Who know how long in storyline, LET IT GO. Karen has always did all of her atoning.