Would you like to see a Captain America 5 and 6 to finish out Sam's Captain America Trilogy?
I loved Brave New World, I kind of get why some people didn't, there were behind the scenes issues, but for me, the movie still worked. Personally, I want to see Anthony Mackie's Cap get his trilogy, because he deserves it. I genuinely think that if the Multiverse Saga had a bit more of an idea of who the main characters were, and Sam was one of them, he certainly would've gotten a trilogy, or would be close to finishing one by now.
I think that if he does well and his character is liked well enough in Doomsday and Secret Wars, they'll have a crack at Captain America 5, and if that goes well, then 6.
Sure, they are recasting Steve eventually, but before that happens, I would like to see more of Sam as Captain America before they go back to Steve or have them both share the role.
I think that if he does well and his character is liked well enough in Doomsday and Secret Wars, they'll have a crack at Captain America 5, and if that goes well, then 6.
Sure, they are recasting Steve eventually, but before that happens, I would like to see more of Sam as Captain America before they go back to Steve or have them both share the role.
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Mackie wants to stick around, and Feige wants him to stick around. Another solo is probably off the table, but group outings are not
\- Find out whatever happened with BNW's writing (incompetence, studio interference, both, anything else)
\- Never do that again
So they should have just let Leader look more comic accurate instead of spending millions more for no real reason.
The main character flies in the air, man. Just let it be a comic book.
I'm not saying this was the only problem, but it was certainly a big and unnecessary thing to do. I assume they panicked after the negative reception to MODOK and tried to not make another big head character. I dunno...
As for the other big change. They seemed to totally redo whatever they were doing with The Serpent Society which had the same effect as the Leader change. They spent millions more and it was for no real reason as people didn't like the end product of that anyway.
Personally I don’t think Anthony Mackey has a strong enough face to be a great Captain America. He’s better than John Walker but that guys an a-hole.
I am so frustrated with the storyline they chose for Quantumania. It should have been Kang as a BACKGROUND character who was calling the shots but wasn't the main antagonist of that movie.
MODOK should have been the focus and they should have brought him out of the Quantum Realm as Ant-Man and MODOK both work best when you can see their crazy antics compared to normal humans. Kang should have been furious that Ant-Man and team escaped and that MODOK got out without him and then MODOK should have stayed around to reform AIM and return to fight other heroes like Ironheart, War Machine, etc.
The original plot of BNW revolved around the Serpent Society and the main villain was played by Seth Rollins of WWE fame.
it's not a writing issue. primarily. this is a leadership problem.
Have you noticed this pattern ?
Thor 4: the guardians of the galaxy scene was a horror show for fans. like being robbed. and insulted. No, not "like", it actually was being robbed and insulted. Endgame sold us a crossover movie plan, which was an awesome plan, and then someone took over and changed that, for "money" in the short term. We can save money by not actually paying Chris Pratt and Bautista etc for a movie, and just INSULT THE FANS! AND ROB THEM! Yaaaaaay
like they could have come out and said "Asgardians of the Galaxy' was such a bold idea we decided to just not make it and the movie is not that. in advance. but decided not to do this warning to fans. AND to shoehorn in a terrible expensive scene, which steals everything from thor 4 basically. probably why they then also wrote the rest of the movie awfully too, as they know it will be disappointing no matter what
then
Dr. Strange 2: They decide to write wanda like a brain damaged child. a lot like thor in thor 4 actually. hm.
The Marvels: a sci fi movie in a billion dollar universe where they just write the most insane insulting anti-sci fi stuff ever. Captain Marvel is royalty on some alien planet in another galaxy, ooook, and this just happens to be where the villain goes? They see a galaxy spiral drawing on a chalk board in a memory, and she recognizes the galaxy, and the villain "wants water" for their plan, so of course, they are going to the water world, in that galaxy......
dude? did they just write that so insultingly bad because "it's a movie for girls"? and girls won't care if you insult them on science issues in a science fiction movie ? They know what planet in that entire galaxy, because "water", and captain marvel is already BEEN THERE? A LOT? ooook
So then....
Secret Wars happens.
the writing in this show is garbage. any random person on reddit being put in charge would have written a better product than this. This is not exaggeration. Everyone involved in this to the top of leadership is antagonistic to marvel. They checked out, gave up, or got recruited by enemy corporations to sabotage marvel should be the assumption and everyone should be replaced.
and Brave New World was essentially unwatchable for adults. It's fine for a childrens movie.
There was something super fake about the film’s writing that felt like someone phoned it in and then tried to cover it up with grandiose special effects. It was like the exact opposite of Agatha which leaned into tight writing and letting the actors deliver and letting the campy low budget set design be an extra character.
Black or white, muscles or wings; Captain America is most interesting when he's a *fugitive*.
I don't think anyone deserves anything until they earn it.
Would be perfectly possible considering how bloated that series is, would be a much more thematically interesting "first movie", and, as a bonus, could have helped a bit Thunderbolts as well.
Maybe make him so stressed out about constantly fighting super powered villains with no powers of his own that he cracks a little bit.
Focusing on President Ross and Red Hulk in all the marketing but only making him the main threat for 5 minutes was a total fail of a plan, especially when it was supposed to be a secret reveal in the plot.
I couldn't understand how this kind of plan all worked perfectly for 3 phases and they just threw it away and tried a plan that nobody liked.
Twisted metal was great, but it's a bunch of characters.
When they recast the main character in altered carbon is sucked.
Outside the wire sucked
His best movies are hurt locker, and the Christmas one with Seth Rogan, the night before. Outside the MCU stuff.
He spends a lot of time having earnest conversations or giving speeches which aren't fun to watch or especially earned. I get, and support, the idea of a black Captain America addressing real world issues, but I don't think it's been especially well written. There's too much telling and not enough showing of that aspect.
The character has always been shown to be a very good man à la Steve Rogers and you could see why someone close to him like Steve would want to pass him the mantle, but I don't think they've shown what sets him apart from other characters to make him inspirational or someone that other characters or people who don't know him would view as a leader.
Falcon was always a sidekick or secondary character in the movies, and they definitely had moments but it was also Steve, or Bucky, or anyone else that was lifting him up. Solo he's just not that interesting. And his whole shtick being he's a dude with a jetpack and wings just doesn't compare so some of the other characters we see who are literal Gods.
Same for Emmy Winner Don Cheadle as War Machine, good supporting character but not good enough to be a leading character.
Starting with CA2, Sam was written as a tertiary character meant to help develop the main character. And he worked perfectly.
The film should have given Sam a completely different partner. Even a random America Chavez as his partner would have made the film more interesting.
Now, that really shouldn't be the case. "Black Cap" should be *fascinating*, and we get some mild tidbits of what that would look like in the FAWS show. But the thing is, with "Cap from the 20s", they actually went pretty far with it. They know what "Aryan Ubermensch from the past who doesn't like the modern world" *looks* like, so they balanced it out by having Steve be a morally impeachable guy who is willing to stand up to his own government. He is a fugitive in three of the seven movies he's in.
I think maybe they were scared of being divisive, or just thought having Captain America be a black guy was making enough of a statement (its not), but they're just not radical enough with Sam. Both of Sam's features are about him realizing how his people are oppressed by the US Government, before deciding that the best thing to do is lecture an elected official.
How the hell was it the people left behind who got displaced snd not the people that got snapped? How did people literally displaced by time manage to take over?
Favorites were Iron Man or Hulk at the time and Loki. Iron man for obvious reasons. Then Ruffalos Hulk in Avengers and Lokis portrayals were stand outs in Avengers.
But honestly once Winter Soldier came out the trajectory of MCU was never the same and truly when it hit juggernaut and then Guardians solidified that.
Then knocking phase 3 out of the park along with both Infinity Saga movies was chefs kiss that has allowed them this much leeway for going back to having misses and taking more chances.
Also Bucky and maybe even Antman coming along for the ride, would be great!!
Also we need a good nickname for him!
Captain Sam, Captain Falcon? Uncle Sam?
Just give them a different name. He is always going to be "black captain america", they even say it in the show when he first gets the shield. Captain falcon, or whatever you wanna say.
Just like the new dude that took his wings, isn't going to be the new falcon, he was falcon.
I hate this trope of "superhero part 2:electric Boogaloo", like you can just co-opt a name and it's just fine.
Beyond that, though? I think his next couple of appearances need to sew some seeds for a potential arc in a new solo film. Perhaps expanding his supporting cast would help too. Right now, his most prominent ones are either primarily connected to the Avengers (Bucky), have already been thoroughly explored in the existing projects (Isaiah), or been absorbed by another group (John Walker). Torres also feels like little more than a sidekick. Maybe they could work in an Eli Bradley/Patriot storyline? I admittedly don't know a lot about Patriot in the comics, though.
Do them both in quick succession, make at least one a proper gritty tale, gimme some espionage. Sidewinder, Serpent Society, and as proper villains not somewhat random encounters.
Or have him as a key part of a Civil War phase, with his death to end.
However, let's wait to see how he is portrayed in Avenger Doomsday/Secret Wars. Maybe with better writing, his character will be more interesting
If Cap 5 does end up happening, hopefully he properly fights against the Serpent Society
It's not for lack of ideas - there's a ton of ways his character can be given depth if reworked, I just think it's too late for Marvel the business. Luckily Anthony Mackie is a super dedicated and charismatic guy, so I see him showing up across the MCU frequently in team up films and cameos for years to come.
I think with the X-Men being the new big thing, we'll probably get more lower stakes Avengers films, where they'll probably unite the heroes who don't get solo movies anymore into one permanent ensemble.
The number one thing I'd do is keep him and Bucky together - the best way to deal with Steve's successor IMO was (regardless of who gets the shield), to keep the duo together as a buddy cop dynamic where they work best.
Maybe a team up movie with Bucky.
Happy for him to be part of the Avengers but we don't need another Captain America.
It’s a shame, because I honestly quite liked his TV show, wish that was the film.
BNW ain’t the worst MCU film but it’s by far my biggest disappointment
Anthony Mackie just doesn't portray Captain America. He's quippy, definitely not serious enough and quite frankly too emotional to be Captain America.
IMO it should've been Bucky, and the next storyline should've been secret avengers or them fighting HAMMER or Norman Osborn's team of "heroes"
Cap has that level of black ops too which I just don't see Mackie being able to pull it off. His best roles are characters that are more quippy than serious.
Actually I think he'd make a decent blade if not for Marshala Ali.
He'd make a terrific Doctor Voodoo
I agree that Sam is just uninteresting in the role. Cap should be a super soldier. A regular Joe with a flight suit just isn't interesting in a continuity where there are literal gods fighting.
Americans would not elect a serial killer to be president because the CIA and military industrial complex "has so much blood on its hands".
I don't think the average, everyday American sees themselves as responsible for the horrors their government has caused.
I don't disagree, but they put him in Congress. Though then he just abandons the post to ride with the New Avengers? Honestly, I'm not sure at all what's going on there.
Also Bucky is so much stronger than Sam. Sorry.
Marvel has no interest in that character what so ever.
At the very least, they should give him the supersoldier serum so he isn't just a dumb Iron Man.
maybe I'm just old but genuinely what does this even mean
From dialogue, to character development, to plot and directing, it needs massive improvements.
Plot: Sam gets inte deep waters. Soldier has to get back to killing to save sam.
I honestly thought it was supposed to be a cheesy in-joke, like it was going to turn out to be a tv show inside the movie or something. You know, like the song 'I could do this allll dayyyyyyyyy' from Hawkeye. But no, that was the actual script.
And what is Sam's superpower anyway? Is he just really, really well-trained in fighting or something? Seen it a million times before, mostly with Stathe movies, it gets boring quickly. And I just didn't want to stick around to find out if it got better.
I didn't mind Falcon and Winter Soldier, i mean it wasn't brilliant, but i didn't mind it and I did finish it. But this was just absolute drek. Ended up watching Thunderbolts instead. Now that's how you make a Marvel film in the era of superhero fatigue. Utterly brilliant.
Steve might’ve also said “hey, dont be a sucky person”, idk, but it never seemed so condescending. I also dont feel like it was the point of any of Steve’s movies that he was in. He always struck me as a man who set good examples by doing rather than cleaning up someone else’s mess because hes so perfect.
I didn't care at all about Torres.
I liked the movie, but overall, I don't find it rewatchable. I feel like it should have felt like a followup to FatWS (which I really enjoyed) but weirdly, Thunderbolts\* did a better job capturing the themes of both that and Black Widow, in regards to the people exploited and left behind and overlooked.
They either need to rework what he does and maybe treat him more like Batman or just give him some superpowers.
To be completely fair the BMW script was awful.
Mackie is great, but Falcon Cap just wasn't earned in the MCU like it was in the 616, and even then, it wasn't exactly a goated cap run in the comics.