What are the chances we get some iteration of the Phoenix Five in the MCU?

Marsden’s on the docket, Namor is in play. Plug in a few of the ancillary X-Men returning, and maybe we see the Five take on Doom. A version of it happened in Hickman’s Secret Wars specific to Cyclops.

It could be a way to give Marsden his Garfield moment, pulling a failure from his movies’ continuity (Cyclops dying to the Phoenix) and giving him a redemptive, growth moment.

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harmoniaatlast2025-11-23 22:52

Avengers VS X-Men is guaranteed, it's just a matter of when

cheezyfilms2025-11-23 23:25

But it looks like they're probably gonna be folding X-Men VS Avengers into Doomsday, doing their own take on it, so I don't see them adapting the actual story anytime soon. Which if Doomsday is good, will probably be for the best. I don't think many really liked AVX as it was in the comics

niicofrank2025-11-24 01:54

Doomsday is probably incorporating aspects of AvX combined with Time Runs Out (swapping Earth-1610 with the Fox X-Men verse) and I don’t think they would return to that well after

harmoniaatlast2025-11-24 01:55

Certainly after the 3rd x movie at the earliest

cyclopswashalfright2025-11-23 22:55

I strongly suspect they'll retell the Dark Phoenix Saga by mixing it with AvX.

Jean is possessed by the Phoenix Force, the world deems it a threat, Avengers are called in to bring her in. The X-Men defend her. A group of them become the Phoenix Five with her (highly unlikely they'll use second stringers in it though, most likely it'd be top X-Men like Jean, Scott, Nightcrawler, Storm etc.). Eventually the other X-Men see they are losing control and work with the Avengers to stop them. Some heroic sacrifice at the end to save the world.

Allows them to do a classic story but in a new way while blending it with another major event. And if you think about it, it's a play on the original Dark Phoenix Saga, but with the Avengers as the Shi'ar Imperial Guard.

thebigcheese222025-11-23 23:31

It's been done twice on screen terribly, I highly doubt it

cyclopswashalfright2025-11-23 23:38

AvX is a Phoenix story at the end of the day, so yes, they could very much do it, and to be honest, neither previous adaptation has actually done anything that approached the original story. So doubt all you want, it'll happen again.

TrpTrp262025-11-23 22:56

They should; they'll tell the Phoenix Saga, but it's the third time and they must have something new.

cheezyfilms2025-11-23 23:26

Doing it correctly WOULD be doing something new. The versions of the Phoenix saga we've gotten in the movies barely resemble the actual story.

Nonadventures2025-11-23 23:43

I think they won’t use up a movie on the Phoenix Saga when people have already seen that a few times. It’s like giving another Hulk origin.

InnocentTailor2025-11-24 00:15

Combining it with the Phoenix Five would be new as opposed to rehashing Jean Grey and her Dark Phoenix stuff.

ohheyjoshay2025-11-24 00:19

yeah they have to tell the original story correctly, then the dark phoenix saga (which I personally think is the best entry and would be perfect to adapt for live action), only THEN could phoenix five be adapted well. that also requires introducing Magik at some point (assuming Colossus is a part of dark phoenix) - it’s a tall order, far future

DownhillSisyphus2025-11-23 23:08

We'd have to get a decent Phoenix first.......

No_Imagination_24902025-11-23 23:23

The Phoenix Five only makes sense with the context of the extensive Phoenix backstory in the comics, which we're yet to see in any X-Men live action adaptation

AnonymousFriend802025-11-24 03:08

Any story on makes sense as far as the writing for it. The story of the Phoenix Five as previously presented works. And you can write a new story where more than Jean gets the Phoenix force.

Nonadventures2025-11-23 23:40

Hopefully they’ll do what the MCU often does and zip past the stuff we’ve already seen happen multiple times. Just an offhand remark about “Jean was a little shaky at first, but she’s found a balance with the Phoenix.” Basically like the F4’s origin.

LeopardComfortable992025-11-23 23:59

I don't think we'll see a Phoenix Saga for a VERY long time. It's been done twice already and absolutely bombed. If the MCU do it, they will want to build to it slowly and make sure it actually works out. I think they will fully embrace the cosmic elements of it (that previous iterations haven't), because they will already have a cosmic side established for the audience.

As for a "Phoenix Five". I really liked the comic and the concept, an AvX encounter is a certainty at some point, but I can't see them diving straight into a phoenix story like this for a very very long time, if ever. I think they would rather develop a more comic accurate Phoenix Saga movie. Slow build to Jean 'feeling' a force calling to her, they may also want to introduce the Shi'ar Empire into the MCU via a Guardians movie and interlink them with X-Men along the way if they want to go truly cosmic.

Simple answer; not for a very long time.

Grayx_28872025-11-24 00:07

Very slim, dude.

Everyoneheresamoron2025-11-24 00:09

They've done the phoenix saga 2 times in the fox verse, 1 in the cartoon verse.

I don't think they can do dark phoenix, and then avengers vs xmen, without some sort of fatigue setting in.

niicofrank2025-11-24 01:52

Let’s focus on introducing the xmen at all first

Vainth2025-11-24 09:09

Kinda tired of the Phoenix already.

Royal_Succotash_76892025-11-24 10:26

Doomsday

Royal_Succotash_76892025-11-24 10:26

Or secret wars

JasonP272025-11-24 15:03

Maybe down the road, but I think it's more likely to happen in X-men '97 than the MCU, at least in the next 5 years.

Frosty_Appointment372025-11-24 17:56

I don't think Phoenix Five happened in Secret Wars

The only Phoenix in 1984 Secret Wars was Rachel Summers:

Scott met [Rachel Summers](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Rachel_Summers_(Earth-811)), his daughter with Jean from an [alternate future](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-811).[^(\[123\])](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_Summers_(Earth-616)#cite_note-Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_199-123) Rachel called herself Phoenix and wore a similar outfit as the original, a fact that Scott protested. Rachel was shocked to discover that, unlike her own timeline, Jean Grey had died, and Scott Summers was married to another woman instead. Not wanting to disturb Cyclops' marriage to Madelyne, Rachel kept her true relation to him secret. A short time later Madelyne revealed she was pregnant. Rachel, after discovering that Scott would soon be the father of a child other than her, began to tap into the Phoenix Force and vowed to restore honor to her mother's name.[^(\[124\])](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_Summers_(Earth-616)#cite_note-Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_199-201-124)

Madelyne bore Scott a son named [Nathan Christopher Charles Summers](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Nathan_Summers_(Earth-616)) \- Nathan, from a Mister Sinister implanted suggestion in Madelyne, Christopher from Scott's father, and Charles from his father-figure Xavier. Scott was away helping the X-Men when the child was born. Rachel established a psi-bond with Nathan; she adored and loved her brother, swearing to protect her little brother as long as she lived.[^(\[125\])](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_Summers_(Earth-616)#cite_note-Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_201-125)

After Xavier was forced to leave Earth because of his health, Scott battled [Storm](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Ororo_Munroe_(Earth-616)) for undisputed leadership of the X-Men and [New Mutants](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/New_Mutants_(Earth-616)). After being defeated, Scott retired from the X-Men with his wife and son in Alaska.[^(\[125\])](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_Summers_(Earth-616)#cite_note-Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_201-125) Scott later learned that Madelyne had used her powers to influence the outcome of the battle

Frosty_Appointment372025-11-24 17:56

The only time Phoenix was in Secret Wars 2015 was Cyclops himself:

Cyclops and the other heroes were transported by Strange to confront the [Cabal](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Cabal_(Namor)_(Earth-616)), when Doom himself appeared to quell the fighting. Cyclops, using the vast power of the Phoenix, attempted to defeat Doom. Despite seemingly hurting Doom, even the Phoenix Force proved insufficient to rival the power Doom wielded, and he proceeded to snap Cyclops' neck, killing him.[^(\[30\])](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_Summers_(Earth-616)#cite_note-Secret_Wars_Vol_1_4-30)

SarcasticCommunist2025-11-25 04:07

I love that whoever designed Phoenix Force Scott just kitbashed Nightwing and Darkhawk and moved on to the next character

Own_Atmosphere16552025-11-26 14:14

God I hope there’s no AvX it was awful.