A small consensus on the best of the multiverse saga...
Further to my question on what are the best projects of the multiverse saga/phases 4-6 (so far)...
Specific positive mentions from the communities response (up until Sun 23rd Nov):
#1. 'Loki' (season not specified): 51
#2. 'Thunderbolts*': 47
#3. 'Gaurdians of the Galaxy Vol. 3': 37
#4: 'Spider-Man: No Way Home': 35
#5: 'Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings': 28
#6: ''Fantastic 4: First Steps': 21
#7: Deadpool & Wolverine': 19
#8: 'WandaVision': 18
#9: ='Moon Knight'/'Agatha All Along': 12 each
#11. 'Hawkeye': 11
#12. 'Werewolf by Night': 7
#13. 'Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness': 6
#14. ='Loki' (season 2 specifically)/'Black Panther:Wakanda Forever'/'She-Hulk: Attorney at Law'/'The Falcon and the Winter Soldier'/'Daredevil:Born Again'/'Ms. Marvel': 5 each
#15. 'Eternals': 4
The responses have stopped now.
It's a very small sample of opinion but i'd be surprised if a large sample came out much different.
Didn't count mentions with loads of caveats.
Specific positive mentions from the communities response (up until Sun 23rd Nov):
#1. 'Loki' (season not specified): 51
#2. 'Thunderbolts*': 47
#3. 'Gaurdians of the Galaxy Vol. 3': 37
#4: 'Spider-Man: No Way Home': 35
#5: 'Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings': 28
#6: ''Fantastic 4: First Steps': 21
#7: Deadpool & Wolverine': 19
#8: 'WandaVision': 18
#9: ='Moon Knight'/'Agatha All Along': 12 each
#11. 'Hawkeye': 11
#12. 'Werewolf by Night': 7
#13. 'Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness': 6
#14. ='Loki' (season 2 specifically)/'Black Panther:Wakanda Forever'/'She-Hulk: Attorney at Law'/'The Falcon and the Winter Soldier'/'Daredevil:Born Again'/'Ms. Marvel': 5 each
#15. 'Eternals': 4
The responses have stopped now.
It's a very small sample of opinion but i'd be surprised if a large sample came out much different.
Didn't count mentions with loads of caveats.
Commentaires
I so beg to differ.
P.S. - I get it is based on the sub but this is just what i feel like. (also checked on imdb and it says the same)
Same with the Eternals.
Can you elaborate on why you think The Marvels and Eternals aren't good?
Eternals. Not enough time to make the audience attach to any character. Unlikeable bunch of super individuals. Shit story. Good effects though. I dont want to think and recall everything that I hated about this movie, its making me depressed.
Edit: Added a sentence.
Then if that wasn't enough, apparently someone developed a weapon that destroys oxygen, converts water to gas and then destroys that oxygen too, and it's so powerful it damages the sun millions of miles away...but doesn't actually kill people.
This is a personal issue. I connected to Gil, Sersei, Makkari, and Kingo quite well. Thena was good too
Secret Invasion was just awful.
Love and Thunder could have been better.
A lot of people do not connect with that irl
Thunderbolts is surprising to see such reception, to me. I liked it, but it felt like a short story - the credits hit when I thought the plot was just warming up. It's the truest form of "the power of friendship" trope solving everything which struck me as humorous even though it's well founded. I didn't realize it was well liked.
Still enjoyed it, still recommend it, but I feel Yelena and Co. carry the film, not the pacing or story.
But as for quality, it's done very well, imo. On location shooting with practical stunts, well thought put art direction, and a heartfelt character driven plot. It's not Marvel's best, but the best in a long time compared to all the factory made cartoonish cgi messes that seem to be the normal these days.
Not with that finale it doesn't. One of the emptiest, most disappointing things I've experienced from the MCU.
Moonknight was great. 8.5/10
The Fantastic Four First Steps was very good. 8/10
Deadpool and Wolverine could have been better but still enjoyable. 8/10
Ms Marvel was great as was The Marvels - 8/10
GOTG Holiday Special was very good. 8/10
Hawkeye was good 7.5/10.
Black Panther Wakanda Forever could have been better 4/10.
But I hated the Loki series - the TVA frankly is an evil organization that should be eradicated. The group has the blood of trillions on their hands. Evil like that must be erased off the map. 0/10
I hated Spiderman No Way Home. 0/10
Hated the Thunderbolts film for the treatment of John Walker - he deserved better. Negative 2/10
I really didn't like GOTG Vol 3 and I hated Ravager Gamora and how the film didn't have the original Gamora resurrected which should have happened. Negative 3/10
Wandavision was really bad. Negative 5/10
Secret Invasion was dog crap. Negative 10/10
Agatha All Along could have been so much better if they had Agatha become heroic. Negative 10/10
Falcon and Winter Soldier would need a lot of work to make it better. As the show was really bad. Negative 10/10
She-Hulk was terrible. Negative 10/10
Hated the werewolf special. Negative 10/10.
Ironheart was awful, Riri Williams was so damn arrogant and unlikable in the first episode onwards. Negative 100/10.
What about everything else?
The TVA is evil.
Spiderman is the best so far imo. But I like Loki S2 as well. I haven't watched Iron heart yet but Thor Love and Thunder is imo the worst thing that ever came out of the MCU and by a wide marging.
Ross was part of Captain America movies since Civil War, him trying to redeem himself while having skeletons in the closet resonates well withe overall theme of the movie: the new Captain America and new U.S. President both thinking they have something to prove to the world that has went through both Blip and the interrupted Emergence of Tiamut.
While the new Captain America has doubts about himself due to lack of serum, and the new President is too afraid to be 100% honest about his past mistakes due to his fear of dying before being able to make with his daughter.
And why I think Sterns/Leader worked well as the villain of Brave New World? For the same reason why Helmut Zemo worked well as the villain of Civil War: they resonated well with the main plot of the respective movies they were villains in. While Zemo was an extreme case of a person who blamed Avengers for the death of his family as collateral damage, Sterns was an extreme case of a person who refused to believe Ross would ever change due to being one of Ross' victims himself.
The only thing it did was make wanda a villain after she held an entire town captive. Villian behavior.
Agatha and Ironheart too!
Deadpool and Wolverine, and No Way Home both too high (nostalgia and fan service aren't enough on their own to make a movie good, and they go so far into those that they neglect the rest of the movie)
All it did was to *sit down with those characters* and give them something to prove themselves. And it worked. Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man is a lot better than most MCU supporting characters nowadays. He has his own arc, he was his own person and the movie did a lot to let him earn what he lost and to teach Tom Holland's Peter what he needs to know about responsibility. Simple as.
Spider-Man is just less guilty of doing member berry cameos for the sake of cameo than the rest of the MCU. At the same time its use of the multiverse is something the likes of Multiverse of Madness and Quantumania failed to reach, despite it not being the highest bar possible.
A large sample would come out \*very\* different.
The box office and viewership numbers are exactly what you're trying to do with a large sample size for the most part. Movies/shows with large box offices/viewerships will end up highest in the list.
The deviations will be the movies/shows with large box offices/viewerships that have overall negative word of mouth like Love & Thunder.
For example, Thunderbolts and Fantastic 4 would be much, much, lower on the list. Deadpool and Spiderman would be at the top of the list.
Some hit films can lose their appeal over time and misses can be considered classics.
I don't think box office is a definitive measure of quality.
But we don't know yet if it had any success outside of theaters.
Maybe the next three (or four?) will top the rest.
Look at The Marvels, box office bomb with very low Disney+ viewership, but on this sub-reddit you'd think it's a good movie.
Fantastic 4 is another good example, it gets a lot of praise here, but everywhere else it's described as "average" to "boring".
Only one person mentioned The Marvels in response to my question though.
Fantastic 4 isn't described as average to boring everywhere else as far as i can tell (although audience and critic opinion often differs).
I was honestly surprised how many people mentioned Thunderbolts*...
Of course you can simply look up ratings on IMDb but have you ever read some user reviews on there? Some are interesting and insightful, some are just weird or incoherent.