This has to be the most disrespectful character assassination in the entire MCU
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Starfleeter2025-11-22 21:34
I'm fairly positive they've been trying to slowly set up his DID and this was important to that, especially before She-Hulk where they really showed that he's the only Hulk who has/had issues not going savage.
VallyMeowy2025-11-22 21:35
I feel like if that is what they’re doing they’re doing it way too slowly. It’s hard to do long form character development when he’s only ever a side character at best
Starfleeter2025-11-22 21:39
We'll see how they handle it in the new Spider-Man movie. I think this is where they're going to try wrap it up since Mark Ruffalo is getting old. The early rights issues with Universal is why Hulk was treated that way.
Wtygrrr2025-11-22 21:50
Red Hulk went pretty savage.
Sarcastic__2025-11-22 21:36
*laughs in Maria Hill*
CruzAderjc2025-11-22 21:37
I was gonna say this
HEYYYYYYYY_SATAN2025-11-22 21:37
*cackles in Taskmaster*
spidervenom6192025-11-22 22:05
*die in laughing Lady Sif.*
Kenny11152025-11-22 21:37
No literally she fits the post title as literally as possible
belle_enfant2025-11-22 21:46
Ehhh not even close. Shes just a side character with maybe 20 minutes of screen time across the entire MCU. She shouldn't have died in SI but its not that big of a deal either.
Wooden-Radish-90082025-11-22 21:37
Oh brother
Single-Pianist-22112025-11-22 21:37
Why on earth did they not have him bust out of the hulkbuster it would’ve been so cool
JaesopPop2025-11-22 21:48
Because it doesn't work in the movie. He's in Hulkbuster, gets beats up, heroically emerges again as the combined Hulk... just to lose again.
Single-Pianist-22112025-11-22 21:49
He could’ve gotten a cool moment in taking out a bunch of outriders
JaesopPop2025-11-22 21:59
Which is immediately undercut by them losing.
Single-Pianist-22112025-11-22 22:05
Idk, Thor and Cap had pretty awesome moments right before the avengers lost
JaesopPop2025-11-22 22:07
They weren't major character moments, though. To that point though, it also would've been a repetition of what happened with Thor - defeated, comes back triumphantly into the battle, then loses. So not only would Hulk have had a major character moment undercut, it would've just been a retread of a similar character moment that works better.
Single-Pianist-22112025-11-22 22:10
You think Thor’s moment wasn’t a major character moment? 🤨 and Cap’s absolutely was too (Cap holding back Thanos with his bare hands as the last stand of humanity)
Idk I don’t even care about hulk that much, I just think they were clearly building up to a spectacular hulk emergence (or that’s at least what it felt like) and then when it didn’t happen, it felt very anticlimactic
JaesopPop2025-11-22 22:53
> You think Thor’s moment wasn’t a major character moment?
It was not literally changing the character like the Hulk, no.
>and Cap’s absolutely was too (Cap holding back Thanos with his bare hands as the last stand of humanity)
It's a cool scene, not a character defining moment though.
>I just think they were clearly building up to a spectacular hulk emergence
Sure. But it didn't work, so they changed it.
Single-Pianist-22112025-11-22 22:57
I’m going to hard, hard disagree with you on those two moments not being character defining moments….very odd interpretation of things imo
JaesopPop2025-11-22 22:59
>I’m going to hard, hard disagree with you on those two moments not being character defining moments….very odd interpretation of things imo
By all means, feel free to explain why. I'd be happy to hear how Cap holding back Thanos for a moment is as big a moment for the character as Hulk and Banner literally combining into one being.
natayaway2025-11-22 22:10
I believe that’s been thoroughly contested.
[Hell, I remember contesting it the last time this discussion made the rounds.](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelmemes/s/jlfWmP78bC)
JaesopPop2025-11-22 22:52
This appears to just be how you'd have rewritten it to work? Am I missing something?
natayaway2025-11-22 23:03
Hulk was supposed to have literally burst out of the Hulkbuster, based on pre-movie Funko and tie-in toys.
That never happened.
My proposal was to get a singular moment of Hulk bursting out of Hulkbuster, where he saves Banner, before regressing and hiding away again from Thanos.
JaesopPop2025-11-22 23:07
> My proposal was to get a singular moment of Hulk bursting out of Hulkbuster, where he saves Banner, before regressing and hiding away again from Thanos.
This seems like a worse version of the issue I highlighted.
natayaway2025-11-22 23:11
Reread the last paragraph.
> I don't personally like the idea that it gives audiences hope, strictly because in the actual movie, the rug pull is already there. *By the point that [you could have inserted a scene where] Hulk would have burst out of the armor (which is immediately after Bruce screams "you big green asshole"),* [if you look at the actual movie] ***Bruce's win was in the start of a chain of back to back small wins for the Avengers -- Cull Obsidian dies from the gauntlet barrier roasting, Proxima Midnight gets buzzsaw'd by Wanda, Corvus Glaive dies from Vision impaling him with his own staff... and if you keep ignore the fight on Titan scenes after Vis saves Cap, it picks right back up with Thor just aerial smashing through several ships.***
Anyone who says it “wouldn’t work” or gives “false hope” and makes it spectator “whiplash” doesn’t seem to recognize Banner’s non-Hulk victory kickstarted a series of victories in Wakanda up until Thanos portals to Earth. There is no whiplash.
Having Hulk burst out of Hulkbuster changes nothing in tone, especially when done how I suggested, where the exact same events happen, just with that one additional Hulk savior moment.
JaesopPop2025-11-22 23:13
I'm not talking about your fan fiction, obviously you could rewrite it to be different lol
natayaway2025-11-22 23:18
My proposed inserted scene is irrelevant. In the actual movie, Banner wins with the Hulkbuster thruster-repulsor gauntlet. His victory onscreen, in the final version of Infinity War is the start of MANY victories in Wakanda.
There’s no basis to the “it doesn’t work” argument. The “tonal whiplash” that you’re saying disqualifies the proposed insert scene, doesn’t exist if you look at the movie’s actual timeline of events in hindsight.
This hindsight makes it pretty clear that you absolutely could have Hulk appearing for five seconds, and it wouldn’t add or subtract to the general mood and direction of the movie ending.
It WOULD work.
JaesopPop2025-11-22 23:22
>My proposed inserted scene is irrelevant.
You *just* referenced it.
> it wouldn’t add or subtract to the general mood and direction of the movie ending.
Then it would still be in the movie.
>There’s no basis to the “it doesn’t work” argument. The “tonal whiplash” that you’re saying disqualifies the proposed insert scene, doesn’t exist if you look at the movie’s actual timeline of events in hindsight.
> It WOULD work.
Yeah, I'll agree to disagree on this one.
DannyHewson2025-11-22 21:37
Taskmaster disagrees. Briefly. Before she gets shot in the face.
SaltySpituner2025-11-22 21:46
That was a solution more than an assassination.
drntl2025-11-22 21:46
I’m still wondering if we’ll get a real task master one day.
Wtygrrr2025-11-22 21:49
No, Hulk was worse. Taskmaster was just an entirely different character with the same name.
WD_G2025-11-22 21:43
Strawberry_House2025-11-22 21:46
I dont personally agree since I thought her heel turn was well written but ik a lot of people would say trish walker
JaesopPop2025-11-22 21:47
Tired ass take with zero effort given to even explain it.
SaltySpituner2025-11-22 21:55
If it’s a tired ass take you’ve already read the reasonings over the years and chose to disregard them.
JaesopPop2025-11-22 21:59
No, I've disagreed with them. You haven't even bothered to explain your reasoning though so there's nothing to discuss. It's a lazy post.
SaltySpituner2025-11-22 22:09
*sigh*
Do I sincerely have to write a thesis for someone who clearly isn’t familiar with the Hulk’s character beyond the big screen?
Were you not around for the Taskmaster and Mandarin “corrections”?
JaesopPop2025-11-22 22:51
>Do I sincerely have to write a thesis
Pointing out that you didn't even bother to explain your thinking isn't asking for a "thesis", you dork.
SaltySpituner2025-11-22 22:51
Read the comics, you casual.
JaesopPop2025-11-22 22:54
>Read the comics
I've read plenty of comics, and none of them pause to explain some random dudes tired ass argument.
>you casual.
Is this a parody of a stuck up dork from 15 years ago lol
NoelCanter2025-11-22 22:02
I dunno. This didn’t really bother me. I’m not well-versed in the comics so maybe someone can explain it to me.
Hulk unfortunately has had a really stilted development because of the rights issues to the character. But I don’t have much of a problem taking him off the board for the fight they are going to lose. They basically did the same with messing up Vision early.
SaltySpituner2025-11-22 22:15
They barely scratched the surface with Hulk. They took him out of the game because his strength grows exponentially with his rage. We deserved a rematch with him and Thanos.
beekeeper_atlamont2025-11-22 22:16
No one has left a project looking worse than Nick Fury in Secret Invasion.
SaltySpituner2025-11-22 22:17
I had completely shut that out of my memory. I think Disney/Marvel Studios has tried their best as well.
CulturalDragonfly6312025-11-22 22:26
Sam Wilson looked much worse by the end of FATWS.
CulturalDragonfly6312025-11-22 22:23
No. What they did to Sharon Carter, Bucky Barnes and Sam Wilson in FATWS was way worse.
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Idk I don’t even care about hulk that much, I just think they were clearly building up to a spectacular hulk emergence (or that’s at least what it felt like) and then when it didn’t happen, it felt very anticlimactic
It was not literally changing the character like the Hulk, no.
>and Cap’s absolutely was too (Cap holding back Thanos with his bare hands as the last stand of humanity)
It's a cool scene, not a character defining moment though.
>I just think they were clearly building up to a spectacular hulk emergence
Sure. But it didn't work, so they changed it.
By all means, feel free to explain why. I'd be happy to hear how Cap holding back Thanos for a moment is as big a moment for the character as Hulk and Banner literally combining into one being.
[Hell, I remember contesting it the last time this discussion made the rounds.](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelmemes/s/jlfWmP78bC)
That never happened.
My proposal was to get a singular moment of Hulk bursting out of Hulkbuster, where he saves Banner, before regressing and hiding away again from Thanos.
This seems like a worse version of the issue I highlighted.
> I don't personally like the idea that it gives audiences hope, strictly because in the actual movie, the rug pull is already there. *By the point that [you could have inserted a scene where] Hulk would have burst out of the armor (which is immediately after Bruce screams "you big green asshole"),* [if you look at the actual movie] ***Bruce's win was in the start of a chain of back to back small wins for the Avengers -- Cull Obsidian dies from the gauntlet barrier roasting, Proxima Midnight gets buzzsaw'd by Wanda, Corvus Glaive dies from Vision impaling him with his own staff... and if you keep ignore the fight on Titan scenes after Vis saves Cap, it picks right back up with Thor just aerial smashing through several ships.***
Anyone who says it “wouldn’t work” or gives “false hope” and makes it spectator “whiplash” doesn’t seem to recognize Banner’s non-Hulk victory kickstarted a series of victories in Wakanda up until Thanos portals to Earth. There is no whiplash.
Having Hulk burst out of Hulkbuster changes nothing in tone, especially when done how I suggested, where the exact same events happen, just with that one additional Hulk savior moment.
There’s no basis to the “it doesn’t work” argument. The “tonal whiplash” that you’re saying disqualifies the proposed insert scene, doesn’t exist if you look at the movie’s actual timeline of events in hindsight.
This hindsight makes it pretty clear that you absolutely could have Hulk appearing for five seconds, and it wouldn’t add or subtract to the general mood and direction of the movie ending.
It WOULD work.
You *just* referenced it.
> it wouldn’t add or subtract to the general mood and direction of the movie ending.
Then it would still be in the movie.
>There’s no basis to the “it doesn’t work” argument. The “tonal whiplash” that you’re saying disqualifies the proposed insert scene, doesn’t exist if you look at the movie’s actual timeline of events in hindsight.
> It WOULD work.
Yeah, I'll agree to disagree on this one.
Do I sincerely have to write a thesis for someone who clearly isn’t familiar with the Hulk’s character beyond the big screen?
Were you not around for the Taskmaster and Mandarin “corrections”?
Pointing out that you didn't even bother to explain your thinking isn't asking for a "thesis", you dork.
I've read plenty of comics, and none of them pause to explain some random dudes tired ass argument.
>you casual.
Is this a parody of a stuck up dork from 15 years ago lol
Hulk unfortunately has had a really stilted development because of the rights issues to the character. But I don’t have much of a problem taking him off the board for the fight they are going to lose. They basically did the same with messing up Vision early.