Should MCU Spider-Man fight Kingpin or should MCU Tombstone stick around and be his mob boss if Kingpin is legally off-limit?

As an aside, I have been rewatching Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man and I think Peter and Lonnie's relationship is lowkey underrated. It's not the main MCU, but I think a rivalry between MCU Peter and Lonnie makes more sense over Kingpin if they elect to go that route.

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BatmanForever232025-11-21 13:40

If they can get the rights to Fisk for a movie, they should do that. However that seems extremely unlikely to happen, so the entire discussion is somewhat moot.

DigificWriter2025-11-21 13:57

Choosing not to use a character is not the same thing as not being able to use a character.

Vincent D'onofrio's comments about his legal ability to appear in films as Wilson Fisk isn't the concrete word on the subject of the Usage Rights surrounding the Kingpin character that people think it is.

Both_Weather99882025-11-21 14:46

imagine a universe where peter rivals lonnie and the drama actually brings real stakes

SeegullJockey2025-11-21 13:51

There's no sign of Fisk being in Brand New Day. Maybe if we're lucky we'll get a line referencing him as Mayor.

Ordinary-Chain-80472025-11-21 14:11

What just a line of Peter saying “Oh yeah that mayor that crushed a guys head in the door years ago? Yeah I could help it stop him but I don’t feel like it”

Edboy7962025-11-21 15:29

Was that information made available to the public in universe?

I think I recall people in Brand New Day referring to Fisk as a crook, murder *possibly* in Born Again.

I just don't know about the head crushing think from the first season, and just not enough for that to be general knowledge that someone like Spidey would know without witnessing the act himself assumedly as a preteen or wherever the timeline shenanigans places him age wise. Correct me if I'm wrong or missing something

Mistic-Instinct2025-11-21 23:37

The (first) head crush is at least a popular rumour in-universe. A few of the people interviewed by BB mentioned it, with one guy even saying he'd quite like to see that

BicycleFit4402025-11-21 19:08

fisk never appeared in brand new day

Antrikshy2025-11-21 23:41

Brand New Day isn't out...

SuperMajesticMan2025-11-22 03:06

Damn we got a time traveler here.

ForwardPoetry94022025-11-21 19:29

i dig that take and lonnie versus fisk would hit harder

Jtwil21912025-11-21 14:02

I doubt Kingpin is legally off limits. He was introduced in the Amazing Spider-Man comic and has been a Spider-Man villain ever since, even if he has become more of a Daredevil villain. So I would assume Sony has the rights to use him, sharing those rights with Marvel. Similar to how Fox and Marvel shared Quicksilver, since he is affiliated with both the X-Men and the Avengers.

If it has to be between those two (there are some other organized crime options, like Hammerhead), probably Tombstone. We've got lots of Kingpin already with him appearing in a TV show. At most, Kingpin can cameo as mayor in the next Spider-Man movie, but the actual conflict can be between whatever underling, perhaps Tombstone or Hammerhead, is enforcing his anti vigilante agenda.

yuvi30002025-11-21 15:37

I don't think it's Kingpin that's off limits to Sony. It's Spider-Man that's off limits to Disney. So they have to jump through hoops to make sure that their plan makes sense and that Sony doesn't ruin it.

If they plan for Daredevil and Kingpin to have a big adventure with Spider-Man and then the next season of Daredevil: Born Again is set after that, they cannot afford for Sony to pull out of the plan because it'll also mess up their series.

So I assume stuff like this makes them hesitant to give Spidey too many connections to other stories and characters.

BlargerJarger2025-11-21 14:28

The Netflix take on him is so much better as a Daredevil villain than a Spider-Man one. I don’t want to see more PG Fisk after Hawkeye.

Master-Mage872025-11-21 15:01

Tombstone should be Spidey's mob boss villain. It would give Tombstone much deserved screen time and I think he works a lot more than Fisk.

Wilson Fisk is like the human version of Darkseid and should be treated as a threat to New York City as a whole. Daredevil Born Again proves this by making him the mayor, just like the comic.

Hot take: Fisk works a lot better by making him a villain to New York as a whole and not tied down to one hero

Fantastic-Act92472025-11-21 15:59

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Master-Mage872025-11-21 16:04

Fisk can get away with basically anything and should be shown to secretly rule New York. Unless a hero gets in his way and makes it personal like Daredevil, Wilson Fisk should be the main Big Bad for NYC.

TechnologyDeep99812025-11-21 18:44

He's the dark mirror version of Mamdani

Mr_Jensen2025-11-22 02:13

Kingpin is no way a human version of Darkseid, I’m sorry.

Practical_News_80912025-11-22 11:07

u obviously didnt understand the comparison. darkseid is a threat for the whole dc universe, from his obession with the anti-life equation to his battles with the new gods and justice league. what this person was trying to say was that kingpin should be a threat for the whole marvel universe (a universe thats centralized in new york) not nerfed to just another daredevil or spidey villain of the week just like darkseid hasnt been nerfed to be just a supes villain

Frankorious2025-11-24 21:27

Isn't Hammerhead higher than Tombstone in the crime pecking order?

Edboy7962025-11-21 15:31

If Jamie Fox hasn't played Electro, would have been a good Tombstone?

The way they did Electro in Amazing Spidey 2, he stylistically almost looks like Tombstone, just with glowing eyes and skin n stuff

makeitflashy2025-11-21 18:42

He would have been a fantastic Tombstone. Wish we could get him somewhere else. His electro was kind of a waste

brycifer6662025-11-21 18:43

He didn't look anything like him and I don't think he's quite right

Edboy7962025-11-21 19:09

Obviously.

I understand he didn't look like Tombstone.

Without the effects, when they made the movie, they made him up to look pale, albeit bluish, sure. It was a bit of a backdrop for the way they made electro for the film. They did away with that version for most of his screen time in No Way home for obvious reasons.

I'm saying if he was made up to look like Tombstone, he'd be good. What's wrong with that?

And what makes him not quite right? Hes got the chops imo.

cuckingfomputer2025-11-21 19:20

He looked a lot like Ultimate Electro. Much less like 616-Electro.

Edboy7962025-11-21 19:22

I get that, especially with the suit towards the end.

Nvm, I'm just saying make up the guy to look more like Tombstone is all.

Armandonerd2025-11-21 15:57

Kingpin

marvelcomics222025-11-21 16:11

Kingpin is not off limits, Spider-Verse happened, and they share the rights to him.

brycifer6662025-11-21 18:40

Sony can use him in movies but Marvel can't unless Sony gives them permission they can only use him in shows

Practical_News_80912025-11-22 11:08

am i the only one wanting a heroes for hire show then??

Cardinal_and_Plum2025-11-21 16:19

No love for Hammerhead, Silvermane, or Mister Negative?

BambooSound2025-11-21 16:22

I'm still mad they didn't fight in the final episode of Hawkeye

DigificWriter2025-11-21 20:10

My last comment addressed Kingpin, so now it's time to address Tombstone by saying that, ICYMI, the character has been cast and confirmed to be appearing in Brand New Day.

https://deadline.com/2025/09/spider-man-brand-new-day-casts-marvin-jones-iii-tombstone-1236553455/

OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-21 20:29

This is confusing as it implies there is an MCU tombstone, when there is not an MCU tombstone. The picture shown is not from mU-19,999

eBICgamer20102025-11-21 23:36

>This is confusing as it implies there is an MCU tombstone, when there is not an MCU tombstone

He's in the next movie and played by Marvin Jones btw.

DigificWriter2025-11-22 02:35

Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man is absolutely an MCU series. It's just not set on the Sacred Timeline/Earth-616.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-22 04:40

Right. The mcu

Edit: also 616 is the comics main universe. I think you meant to say 19999

DigificWriter2025-11-22 09:09

I said exactly what I meant. The official Canonical designator of the MCU's Sacred Timeline is Earth-616.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-22 18:03

That’s not true. 616 is the comics universe. This is common knowledge.

DigificWriter2025-11-22 21:46

It's absolutely true, as per The Official MCU Timeline reference book, Spider-Man: Far From Home, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, and Deadpool and Wolverine.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-23 20:28

Dude your source is wrong. 616 has been the designation for the comics universe for 70 years. You are generations late to the party and don’t know shit.

DigificWriter2025-11-23 21:06

I'm not disputing that Earth-616 is the Comics Universe's designation.

I'm making the completely factual statement that the MCU's Sacred Timeline has also been officially and Canoncally designated as Earth-616, and no amount of denial on your part is going to change that.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-23 22:48

How could two different things be designated 616. That defeats the whole purpose of having a designation. Do you not realize how dumb that sounds when you typed that out?

That’s like saying “this product has the serial number 617dhb12, and this product also has that serial number.”

DigificWriter2025-11-23 23:38

Go tell Kevin Feige how dumb you think the decision is. It won't change anything.

chiefbrody622025-12-04 15:40

Yeah, we all know that. In the comics, their main timeline is 616. In the MCU, their main timeline is also 616. They're basically each in their own omniverse.

Part of it might be that characters saying "one nine nine nine nine nine" multiple times would be annoying as hell on screen. Why they picked 199999 as the MCU designation in the comics is beyond me.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-12-04 18:41

That would be multiple multiverses. The definition of an omniverse is that it is all inclusive across intellectual properties and reality and all other hypothetical universes.

chiefbrody622025-12-04 15:38

Ugh, this tired old argument again lol

chiefbrody622025-12-04 15:38

He's already been shooting scenes for Spider-Man 4 for a bit now, so I think it's safe to assume he's in the MCU lol. He's played by Marvin Jones btw, the main villain from Black Lightning.

GarrodRanX22025-11-22 01:02

I like this version of Fisk, but he's very grounded. MCU Pete would fold him like laundry in seconds.

AndiYTDE2025-11-22 01:38

I feel like they did Spidey the wrong way around in the MCU. Dude fought half of the Avengers, an alien army and **Thanos** , and now we go to Kingping or Tombstone. It feels weird

AdMaster91452025-11-22 05:40

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bloodyell762025-11-22 10:47

I certainly hope they don't kill him. Not for more Spider- Man. But I still want more Luke Cage and he'd be great there.