How do you feel of the Writing of Mcu men and women within positive masculinity and role models?

I think they the write them really well in many different ways very complex, flawed and showing that their characters from different worlds, but their grow and evolve to be better people and have accountability and support for one her as well. And be heroes the world needs and be positive role models as well.

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Swing-Full2025-11-20 18:06

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Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-20 18:07

Yes, their my role models

No-Today-24592025-11-20 18:06

"Ant Girl"?

[deleted]2025-11-20 18:07

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kyle03052025-11-20 18:08

That’s not her name. It’s Stature

No-Today-24592025-11-20 18:08

it's Stature 😌

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-20 18:12

Cassie lang

No-Today-24592025-11-20 18:14

...yes? that's her real name but her superhero name is Stature.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-20 18:17

Yes

No-Today-24592025-11-20 18:31

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mdavis87102025-11-20 18:19

I think it’s really cool that every single one of Hawkeye’s strong relationships are with women. His best friend is Nat, he’s a mentor to Wanda and Kate, he has a really open and honest relationship with his wife, even with his kids his strongest bond seems to be with his daughter. I feel like you don’t see that often unless it’s an intentional plot point, and it’s great.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-20 18:51

yea, very positive and nice

EcksFountain1322025-11-20 18:24

Well its no accident that Bucky and Loki don't fit into traditional masculine stereotypes and both are either villianized or victim-blamed.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-20 18:50

yes, but they go into heroes and better people

silverBruise_322025-11-20 19:04

That should not have been the point of those stories. Loki was abused and lied to by his adoptive father. Bucky was a victim of brainwashing, and torture. The onus should not have been on them to become better people, not to the extent the MCU insists

EcksFountain1322025-11-20 19:26

But that's exactly what I am talking about the onus being \*on them\* is the part that's trying to force them into the traditional masculine stereotype.

silverBruise_322025-11-20 19:29

It is, and failing miserably at it. I was agreeing with you. I think the OP is giving the MCU credit where they didn't deserve it.

Edit: I also agree with your other comment. I think Bucky is more vulnerable than Marvel is comfortable writing in their wish-fulfillment quipfests, so his story turned out the way it did

EcksFountain1322025-11-20 20:01

Indeed. Tony Stark is \*toxic masculunity personified\* and some of his jokes. Yeek. He'd be deservedly cancelled if he made them now.

silverBruise_322025-11-20 20:03

Even 10 years ago, the "prima noctae" joke raised some eyebrows. But, the writers adored him. So did the audiences. I'm not sure who liked him more

EcksFountain1322025-11-20 21:20

As well as that, there's \*that\* scene from Iron Man 2 he was creeping on Nat, looking at pictures of her in her underwear and made anotother such joke anbout Ivan Vanko in prisom.

Just like IRL people will always make excuses for mean like him.

silverBruise_322025-11-20 21:21

Oh, yeah. "I want one." It was gross then, and it still is.

He's rich, and he's a wish-fulfillment character. So people make all kinds of excuses for him.

EcksFountain1322025-11-20 19:24

I think you're totally failing to get Bucky. He was always a hero and never a bad person, but certain writers (\*coff coff Malcolm Spellman\*) don't want to acknowledge that.

Pristine-Explorer-792025-11-24 09:52

Absolutely. The idea that they are expected to "get better" doesn't sit right. Especially Bucky, since the guy has done literally nothing wrong while being himself, and yet is expected to take responsibility and do better. Do better than what?! And Loki was quite a victim too. And then Tony Stark is generally absolved of most of it.

EcksFountain1322025-11-26 10:42

Tony Stark is the only person of the 3 who is actually responsible for what happens, and basically bought everything on himself but of course he's absolved. He's rich.

EcksFountain1322025-11-20 18:27

I read an article on Bucky in this context a while back. He totally goes against the traditional masculine stereotype of being in control, being in charge and determining your own destiny. He was a victim, and was victimized in a way that removed his autonomy- something which is more often associated with female characters.

And the MCU writers really struggle to handle it. TFatWS goes all in for the toxically masculine "he must take responsibility" idea.

RevelArchitect2025-11-20 19:10

Where Punisher?

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-20 19:14

i forgot to add him.

RevelArchitect2025-11-20 20:30

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Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-20 20:31

sorry frank, he's the best

RevelArchitect2025-11-20 20:31

Best role model in the MCU.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-20 20:32

yeah

TelenorTheGNP2025-11-20 22:25

I like that parenthood has been presented the way it has across the genders.

PleasantWay72025-11-21 00:55

Is that photo of Ruffalo from his Avenger days? Having just seem Task, he has aged a bit.