Would this roster of Avengers had been interesting enough for the main audience to make an Avengers 5 with these cross the 1B dollar box office? (in 2023)

So in Doomsday we will be getting a lot of characters including heroes from other studios' adaptations. But if Marvel had put trust in the heroes they were introducing, would it had been interesting enough to make a billion?

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SweatyEddie1232025-11-20 03:25

Replace she hulk with hulk then maybe

The_CosmicDaddy2025-11-20 03:26

why do you hate fun

ThisVeryUsername2025-11-20 03:33

*looks at roster*

NEEDS MORE MEN!!

Any-Transition952025-11-20 03:44

also Evangeline Lilly retired, so no Wasp

SeekerVash2025-11-20 03:37

That probably wouldn't have crossed the 400 million mark.

* Sam - Flopped
* Shuri - Her movie did well, but I strongly believe that the next outing with her will flop
* Captain Marvel - Set industry records in bombing at the box office
* Shang-Chi - Movie did well, character seems to be reasonably liked
* Thor - They destroyed the character with Love & Thunder, it would've been a hard road convincing people it wouldn't be another two hours of mocking an idealized male character
* Ant-Man - Was never a solid performance at the box office
* Wasp - Was never a solid performance at the box office
* She-Hulk - Controversial, Unpopular, Alienates multiple markets since Feige didn't control the writers. It's a dead end character

Any-Transition952025-11-20 04:01

400mil is a low bar estimate. Regardless of cast, it is still the first Avengers title after Endgame, and it will 100% draw a bigger crowd than Thunderbolts or F4, both of which did \~380mil and \~520mil respectively.

But I do agree with your assessment about the characters for the most part. Regardless of anyone's personal opinions about each individual character, this team as a whole does not have a core cast that gets people invested in their personal journeys. None of them has a strong personality hook that gets people excited for their interactions with other characters. It's not a wonder their first film together as a team is gonna be a massive teamup cameo fest. Evidently, Marvel thinks the same way.

Who knows, maybe the Russos do have some kind of magic touch with massive crossover films, and they'll make Doomsday work with all the foundations laid in Phase 4 & 5. I'll hold my judgment for now and let them cook. Sometimes the problem is just the script.

Manuel_omar2025-11-20 07:51

> Captain Marvel - Set industry records in bombing at the box office

Absolute lying bullshit.

Captain Marvel 1 made a billion dollars. It was a massive success even by Marvel standards.

What happened is people like you waged a social media was gaslighting all the weak-willed people who lack critical thinking into believing that they somehow hated Brie Larson. That was compounded by Marvel fatigue and the fact that the second movie actually had pretty meh pacing and writing.

But no, didn't "set records in bombing". Captain Marvel set records in earning.

Don't pretend that haters like you weren't an active part of this equation. You were, and everyone knows you were.

PrestigiousFail59552025-11-20 11:43

Hes obviously talking about the sequel the marvels bro. That being said I don't agree with eh dude with rest

NASCAR1420022025-11-20 03:40

Yes, tho I’d change the roster up slightly.

McFaiI2025-11-20 04:16

Yeah, let’s get savage hulk instead of she hulk

jk-9k2025-11-20 08:05

Wongerz

VallyMeowy2025-11-20 03:40

The problem with putting She Hulk in any roster is.. is she a superhero? Like by the end of the show would you really call her a superhero? I know she took down that bad group (forget the name) but in universe she just called 911 and they got arrested. The only time she really did superhero work was in the daredevil crossover episode

JBTriple2025-11-20 03:41

I *need* Shulkie on a team soon.

eriverside2025-11-20 03:50

The Guardians of the galaxy were a massive hit, for 3 films.

It's all about the script and execution.

TheCrystalStone2025-11-20 06:22

This is 100% correct

Dependent-Junket-2552025-11-20 08:39

for sure, a solid script can make even the weirdest characters into box office gold

Bobbleswat2025-11-20 13:11

Yeah but they weren't billion dollar hits and I don't think this line up of Avengers would be in the current financial/cinema climate.

No criticism of Guardians, I love those films, or any of these characters. I just don't think any of them have hit with audiences the way Iron Man did with the possible exception of Black Panther and obviously Chadwick Boseman sadly can't be a part of it.

Business_Sand95542025-11-20 03:54

If Chadwick, rip, would have played the character, maybe. But if not, honestly I don’t think so. Marvel isn’t a huge draw for theaters anymore. So many people are fine waiting for it to drop on Disney+ now

Vainth2025-11-20 03:55

add daredevil and winter soldier, replace the bottom right two.

horc002025-11-20 04:00

I don't need them to put trust, I need them to put money and attention into those characters.

WoahitsEsco022025-11-20 04:00

Id definitely replace She-Hulk with some of the other characters that were present in the MCU at the time like maybe Yelena, Kate Bishop, Bucky and Dr. Strange. I think this roster/cast wouldve been perfect for a Secret Invasion movie instead of the show.

whysochill2025-11-20 04:02

Don’t matter, iron(doom)man is back and doubt Chris Evan’s returns will be a suprise another easy billion dollar

Dominant_Gene2025-11-20 04:02

a movie is as good as its villain....

Holmes12025-11-20 17:58

Gorr was a good villain but what they did around him wasn't

Dominant_Gene2025-11-20 18:09

i honestly didnt like him that much, its a good concept but idk the guy goes from loving father to serial god killer a little too fast

ToxicBanana692025-11-21 02:46

Wasn’t that due to the sword putting a curse on him? I thought it was pretty clear the sword was at least magical.

FafnirSnap_94282025-11-20 04:03

I'd add Strange to the roster. But this is a solid lineup and should have already been done by now.

WoahitsEsco022025-11-20 04:07

Wouldve been great for a Secret Invasion movie instead of the show

FafnirSnap_94282025-11-20 04:10

Yep. Secret Invasion or someone suggested they do Avengers Judgement Day with the Eternals to wrap up those plot threads.

WoahitsEsco022025-11-20 04:18

Really just goes to show how impatient some of the writing has been for the Phases. There couldve been so many arcs between Endgame and Doomsday/Secret Wars.

FafnirSnap_94282025-11-20 04:24

Absolutely. I could see a 10 year multiverse plan with at least two New Avengers movies which would carry plot threads for Kang Dynasty or in this case now Doomsday

Trvr_MKA2025-11-21 08:51

Secret Invasion: leads to a mistrust in the current Avengers roster

Dark Reign/Dark Avengers: A Norman Osborn stand in leads to conflicts with the Avengers and other heroes

Time Runs Out: The Dark Avengers and the heroes both work different methods to try and stop the Incursions

Secret Wars

theSteakKnight2025-11-20 08:49

I would have loved an entire Secret Invasion phase. Each movie we're discovering more and more characters are skrulls until the final fight in that phase's Avengers movie.

FafnirSnap_94282025-11-20 14:01

That would be so cool and would have worked so well with the storytelling format the MCU is known for. I kind of hope they do a clone saga involving Mister Sinister in the future and have that spill over into Spider-Man with the Jackal and Ben Reilly and stuff. It probably won't happen, but it would be cool.

pargmegarg2025-11-21 17:23

Should have been a show leading up to a movie perhaps. Even with the extra runtime of a show, the plot felt rushed.

goukaryuu2025-11-22 00:39

Secret Invasion should have been its own phase.

brianlefebvrejr2025-11-20 04:40

Kind of embarrassing that it hasn’t honestly.

FafnirSnap_94282025-11-20 04:42

Indeed. There's so much potential. And it would obviously help with whatever we are going to be dropped into in Doomsday. There's a lot of off camera stuff we as an audience are expected to be tuned in to for Doomsday (like Sam's new team referenced in Thunderbolts).

jk-9k2025-11-20 08:03

Wongerz and Madisynn have the better relationships with She-Hulk and Shang Chi so no real need for Strange

FafnirSnap_94282025-11-20 14:03

Well Strange was at one point rumored to be the central figure going forward in the MCU (similar to Iron Man). I like that idea.

jk-9k2025-11-21 06:54

Having a central figure at all is a dumb idea. And strange is just stark with less charm and more abrasiveness.

Wongerz.

Plenty-Salary97112025-11-20 04:18

Yes, They should’ve done a “age of ultron” style avengers movie with this line-up( before doomsday (remove she-hulk for banner/hulk)

sbenthuggin2025-11-20 04:29

I think if Chadwick Boseman were still alive, he'd have taken the main character mantle that Iron Man left open, and it would easily have made that billion as long as the film and story were at least as good as the last couple Avengers movies.

because the rest of the cast are genuinely great, though they lack the Robert Downey Jr. charisma. and Chris Evans was definitely great as Captain America, but he was definitely not RDJ. and Anthony Mackie is almost as good of a Captain America as Chris, and there's just as many people that are as if not more charismatic than Chris Evans here. and we also still have Thor.

so yeah. easily could've worked with these actors. and hell, it might have if Antman 3 wasn't horrible and Jonathan Majors wasn't a toxic abusive asshole.

Big_Epsilon2025-11-20 05:40

Yeah, his Black Panther with Strange and Thor are heavyweight pulls. I think everything from Endgame onwards is probably unrecognisable if he were alive

KrifeH2025-11-20 06:19

> Anthony Mackie is almost as good of a Captain America as Chris

his story is 1/10th as epic as steve's though

Gilded-Mongoose2025-11-20 06:41

Same for his screen presence. IMO.

sbenthuggin2025-11-21 06:28

I agree. And I think opinions would (and probably will by the time the new two Avengers movies come out, as long as they don't throw him to the wayside) change if he gets a good movie, the same way Chris' Captain America did following the Avengers and his subsequent two movies.

FLsurveyor5612025-11-21 14:52

Anthony Mackie is a horrendous actor, there I said it

FelixTheJeepJr2025-11-20 06:47

Absolutely. I still think they’re trying to recover from the loss, he was poised to be the #1 character of the next wave.

plusforty42025-11-20 07:03

This.

Gloomy-Art-28612025-11-20 12:29

Anthony Mackie is nowhere near Chris Evans.
He has zero charisma and him having a major role is the flaw with this cast

Bobbleswat2025-11-20 13:30

I think he has charisma, but I don't think the role of Sam Wilson has really allowed him to show it off beyond The Winter Soldier and Civil War.

Shifting him to a more stoic hero doesn't play to Mackie's strengths. Rogers cap had the man out of time angle and was always playing off characters that were more snarky/cynical that made his stoicism endearing/funny/inspiring. Trying to position Sam Wilson as someone who could lead the Avengers hasn't really been convincing. There isn't really anything about him on screen that makes him leading other heroes make sense beyond a little explored military background.

sbenthuggin2025-11-21 06:21

Strongly disagree. Chris Evans DOES have charisma, but his movies in Captain America was absolutely carried by the direction and writing, not nearly as much as him just by himself. The first Captain America proves this very true. Anthony Mackie just hasn't had an actually good movie to prove himself.

Icy-Pollution-37002025-11-20 15:11

"at least as good as the last couple Avengers movies" I've some kinda feeling that the movie characters probably won't matter too much if the movie is as good as infinity war and endgame

Irlandes-de-la-Costa2025-11-21 03:40

Black Panther + Strange would haved worked like Iron Man + Captain America

AsteroidMike2025-11-20 04:31

The trailer alone would’ve sold itself if this lineup had happened, and an Avengers movie that year or the year before even would’ve been good for them.

Overwatch32025-11-20 04:32

Yes, easily.

Fawqueue2025-11-20 04:42

Nobody knows for sure, and there are factors beyond he cast, but my gut says no.

SpeedBlitzX2025-11-20 04:47

It could be, I mean it really depends how the directors and writers make each characters interactions work.

Kind of surprised OG Hulk isn't in this picture. Also War Machine is still around too, right and Spiderman? I feel like with War Machine and Spiderman added to this roster, perhaps things could work well! O also Hawkeye too!!

Successful-Topic88742025-11-20 04:50

I would say Thor shouldn't be here since he's in space raising a kid. Hawkeye and his protege should be here. Kamala, too. Maybe even Echo. This would make an interesting Secret Invasion movie, especially if some of them are skrull.

If I were the screenwriter, I'd make Clint, Sam, and Hope skrull. I'd also add a new hero of some sort (or reintroduce Jessica Jones) and reveal them to be skrull.

Fi1thyMick2025-11-20 04:54

The four on the left yea. Captain marvel is points off anything she's in. Shang chi was good but I don't see how he fits with the rest and she hulk just needs to be external from mcu overall. Shit seemed like a robot chicken version of an mcu show

Bing_Bong_the_Archer2025-11-20 05:05

This lineup is sick as hell, I wish we got to see it

MTM_28146162025-11-20 05:07

I know some people will think that Spider-Man being on the team would ruin the ending of No Way Home but I disagree. That ending cut Peter off from not just the other heroes but his remaining friends and family. The Avengers technically were not a family in the first place (the characters not the actors in real-life).

Plus Spidey is a marketable character you have to have him there.

MrFiendish2025-11-20 05:13

No.

flumphit2025-11-20 05:29

Binging _Orphan Black_ now. When this is over, gonna need more Tatiana, stat. If she’s big & green sometimes that is not a problem in the least.

Adorable_Ad_34782025-11-20 06:03

No.

Add Spider-Man, Hulk and Strange. T'Challa and Thor are not enough. The rest are D-List chars.

TheCrystalStone2025-11-20 06:21

Yo this is a solid lineup would have been perfect for a Avengers: Secret Invasion movie as the first Avengers movie since Endgame

SeanWonder2025-11-20 06:25

Add Spider-Man and yes

Lady05giggles2025-11-20 06:30

They would have cool powers. That is my only problem with the original Avengers, no cool powers.

Gilded-Mongoose2025-11-20 06:40

I'd say no, but then I'd say yes because Marvel would figure out a good way to make it work.

It would not have the same dynamic as The Avengers. But they'd make it work.

Especially if it's somewhere in between Avengers and Thunderbolts, and *not* somewhere between Thunderbolts and The Marvels.

ubutterscotchpine2025-11-20 07:14

Yes. Marvel’s problem is they won’t commit to actually fleshing out a few characters (like the OG six) and are just throwing shit out and hoping it sticks to the wall.

Traversz2025-11-20 11:44

Absolutely, they just kept pumping out movies and introducing new characters instead of exploring the already existing ones. That's why we're now heading to an avengers movie with a ton of characters that we have no idea how they are connected. On the first movies there was a clear linear thread you could follow with recurring appearances and not this mess of "that movie flopped so you're not gonna be seeing them again so soon".

CyberKitten052025-11-20 18:23

No, their strategy is just throwing shit out. Shang-Chi stuck to the wall and they still threw him out.

Grayx_28872025-11-20 07:23

No, not really.

MasterWinston2025-11-20 07:35

Multiverse of Madness released in 2022 and almost hit a billion despite its moderate reception so an Avengers film in 2023 could have definitely hit 1 billion. That being said 2023 is when marvel fatigue really kicked in with the Ant Man and The Marvels bombs. A few things to consider with this above lineup:

Is Kang still the central antagonist? Ant Man did a ton of brand damage both with how poor the movie was received and the Jonathan Majors allegations. Also, Ant Man (and the Wasp) were never that popular so in a smaller scale Avengers movie not sure they should be in the cast.

If Kang is the central antagonist then how is Loki not in this? Regardless, the show (especially season 1) was one of the most successful post Endgame stories. And his brother is in this.

She Hulk has a small but committed fanbase. The show was poorly received. In the hands of a better writer they could've done something interesting with the character. Still, not sure she should be in the Avengers lineup and she definitely shouldn't be instead of Banner.

What's the status of Captain Marvel? Given this released in 2023, that means it released before the Marvels which may not exist in this timeline. Not necessarily a bad thing!

Similarly, what is the status of Black Panther and Namor? I'm guessing a Black Panther sequel still releases in 2022 though obviously in this scenario T'challa is the lead. He likely replaces Iron Man as the central figure of the MCU in this timeline.

Wanda was also positioned as a pillar of the MCU post Endgame but they really mishandled her. You would have to think they rectify that mistake in this Avengers movie. Both her and Doctor Strange should be included.

Also, don't forget Spider Man!

PhantomOverlord912025-11-20 08:29

None of these characters really have “leading man” energy, aside from MAYBE Black Panther or Thor

intraumaticspiderman2025-11-20 09:55

All fine but seeing she hulk on the big screen after that crazy tv show would make me want to walkout of the movie everytime she's in frame

marvelcomics222025-11-20 10:31

I honestly think that if they had a great team behind it, they could've pulled it off.

_c_e_m_2025-11-20 10:33

Remove she hulk and captain marvel, add widow

Frosty_Appointment372025-11-20 10:52

Th3Birdman:

Definition of "Flop" : A film that made less money than it costed to make

Flop 's Definition is NOT "A film that made less money than you think it should have made"

[https://youtube.com/shorts/t559z9D1MxM?si=3djrzKVsnXOczAwe](https://youtube.com/shorts/t559z9D1MxM?si=3djrzKVsnXOczAwe)

TravelingHomeless2025-11-20 11:49

what did more damage to the Avengers 5 film, Covid or the 2023 Strikes?

BigBlue11052025-11-20 14:06

Drop Wasp for Dr Strange and absolutely

MarcSpector17012025-11-20 14:34

I wouldn't have paid to see an Avengers movie with this cast in theaters. Out of that roster I would only really be interested in Shang Chi and She-Hulk. The rest I either don't like at all (Captain Marvel, Sam as Captain America) or am tired of (Thor, Ant-Man, Wasp.)

Dell0c02025-11-20 15:56

Where are Hawkeye, Bucky, Dr Strange and Hulk? They should be there.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-20 18:54

Undoubtedly

pentagraphik2025-11-20 19:15

Sí

Character_Mind_6712025-11-20 21:24

I think they're all a little too mentally stable for that. The OG avengers had a monster, a smartass and 2 assassins.

Slow_Librarian73952025-11-20 21:45

Black Panther and Thor alone would have been enough for me honestly

masonb10462025-11-20 23:02

With Strange, Spider Man & Wanda definitely

fnblackbeard2025-11-21 01:17

lol nope

Johninfinityman2025-11-21 05:13

I know it' snot the same without Chadwick Boseman but if Chadwick Boseman were still alive then this would've been different

Background_Face2025-11-21 14:57

Give me more Carol Danvers, and I'll boost the box office numbers all on my own.

EXGShadow2025-11-21 17:44

I don't think so, but I also didn't like the heroes for the 1st avengers movie and it worked really well so what do I know?

Different times, though. I would drop Ant Man and the Wasp and add Doctor Strange, Wong and Ms Marvel

No_Area_73762025-11-21 21:53

After adding dr strange and spidey this would have been the best avengers team possible post endgame

Queenter2025-11-22 15:20

Remove She-Hulk add Strange

BiscuitsAndMilk02025-11-23 21:50

I would have really liked a smaller scale Avengers movie around this time. It could have even been something similar to Civil War. Maybe Ant-Man 3 could have been a big team up movie with this team fighting Kang.

El_Presidente3762025-11-24 11:21

I feel like Spidey and Strange should be on this team alongside Rhodey but i could see it too, their first mission would be Secret Invasion