Watched for the first time recently
I remember very little talk about this movie when it released aside from a big criticism being that it was a little late to the show. Natasha was already dead by this point and I was probably a little burnt out from marvel by then so I never got around to watching it until the other day.
I have to admit that not only did I enjoy it while it was playing, but it’s grown on me even more since.
Maybe I’m a little biased, as Yelena is easily in my top 3 favorite marvel characters at the moment, but that takes nothing away from Florence Pugh’s acting. Yelena is able to wear her heart on her sleeve because Pugh is able to portray it so convincingly.
Every movie has its problems but the family reunion scene alone makes the movie. The way the family falls right back into their roles is portrayed beautifully. It strikes a good balance between humor and emotion that a lot of marvel movies fail at.
I’ll wrap this up before I start to ramble but I definitely recommend this movie if you haven’t seen it. If I start talking about the prison break scene I’ll be up all night laughing.
“He’s never going to make it”
I have to admit that not only did I enjoy it while it was playing, but it’s grown on me even more since.
Maybe I’m a little biased, as Yelena is easily in my top 3 favorite marvel characters at the moment, but that takes nothing away from Florence Pugh’s acting. Yelena is able to wear her heart on her sleeve because Pugh is able to portray it so convincingly.
Every movie has its problems but the family reunion scene alone makes the movie. The way the family falls right back into their roles is portrayed beautifully. It strikes a good balance between humor and emotion that a lot of marvel movies fail at.
I’ll wrap this up before I start to ramble but I definitely recommend this movie if you haven’t seen it. If I start talking about the prison break scene I’ll be up all night laughing.
“He’s never going to make it”
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It definitely could have been better, especially surrounding the villain Taskmaster
It also came out at covid time and post-Endgame. Black Widow film should have came out before Endgame and not really after
But it wouldn't sell toys./S
Came at the wrong time (a BW film should've come out years before Endgame and her death in it).
Had a very promising and dark opening, but then fumbled afterwards. Yelena with that fake accent, continuity errors (Natasha saying to Steve she had nothing before the Avengers in Endgame but clearly having a "family" in this) and a weak villain in Ray Winstone and wasted Olga as Taskmaster. Not to mention the cringe quip machine that Red Guardian was. Most of his scenes are nearly unwatchable.
A Black Widow film should've been more in tone with what the Age of Ultron vision showed for Natasha, not whatever this film was. Heck, go dark and explore her psych after the sterilization and put Julie Delpy in it as the villain.
One of the few instances where I saw this once in 2021 and had no desire to re-watch afterwards. Heck, I even tried to re-watch it again last year and stopped it after 30 mins as it was just too boring.
I don't even want to think about Love & Thunder.
But the fact that it's a bad film doesn't take away from how poor Black Widow is as well.
How's that a continuity error? She did have no one (except Clint) before she became an Avenger. She hadn't even seen any of her "family" since she was 11.
They completely waste Taskmaster though, who could have been a great villain. And I didn't like Melina as a character - she got off too lightly considering her part in the Red Room.
Maybe i'll sound weird but it felt like the trailer almost teased a different movie. Then I read there were a bunch of reshoots.
After i saw the movie I ended up finding out in an article that Ray Winstone was told he had to reshoot everything he did. I guess the tone of the movie had changed a bit. Makes me wonder what that version of the movie could have been, heh.
Though what we did end up seeing was still an enjoyable movie!
The plottwist was kind of expected though.
Psh reading
Edit-- Noting is more reddit than getting downvoted for not being an asshole.
Honestly the way her character was treated is one of the Black eyes of the MCU.
More on the downside, continuity errors with Nat actually having a family despite her previous claims and the awful CGI (i guess caused by studio limitations during covid?).
Still, some very packed action scenes and I loved the family dynamic and dialogue. Thats the film that brought us Yelena and Red Guardian, im grateful for that.
It was immediately forgotten because it was a prequel about a dead character, coming after a two year hiatus from movies and just played it too safe
Watched it for the first time again before going to watch thunderbolts and I absolutely loved this movie. Definitely came out at a wrong time
I just don’t think the post-credits scene works. It makes little sense to me that some nobody is able to steal a damn Quinjet from the Avengers, even post CW, and just be like hey I got this hanging around.
To me it makes much more sense that, once they’d immobilised Iron Man; Cap & Bucky kept the one the got in Germany after the airport fight, and that’s how they got to Wakanda. I know Black Panther was in Siberia as well, and had his own craft, but the film shows him in what looks to be very much a single seat jet.
This same jet then gets them all to Scotland in Infinity War and then Wakanda again later that film.
I agree with some of the criticisms, particularly that it should've stayed with the spy movie theme all the way throughout instead of having the over the top action scenes in the last third of the film, but the four actors at the center of the story are all fantastic and develop this dynamic as a broken family that I think is beautiful and nuanced. Right now, out of the 64 things I have watched in my timeline order rewatch, I ranked it 30th.
We didnt need a giant cinematic action piece with huge explosions and a crazy villain.
We needed the Bourne Identity. We needed a true *espionage* movie.
> Maybe I’m a little biased, as Yelena is easily in my top 3 favorite marvel characters at the moment, but that takes nothing away from Florence Pugh’s acting. Yelena is able to wear her heart on her sleeve because Pugh is able to portray it so convincingly.
Yelena is A1. She is the closest we have seen to the big3 in terms of the Charisma required to be a pillar to/carry the MCU.
**We didnt need a giant cinematic action piece with huge explosions and a crazy villain. We needed the Bourne Identity. We needed a true espionage movie.**
Yes 100%
One of my gripes with the movie is that Natasha essentially murdered 100’s of people in cold blood at the prison and were led to believe that Steve just accepted her back no problems?
I loved yelena in Thunderbolts, so i guess it's time to watch this.
Other than that I really enjoyed it, its a fun movie
Other than that, I liked the rest of it.
It introduces the characters Yelena and Aleksei, so that's a strong element.
The scene where Aleksei puts on his Red Guardian suit and Yelena looks at him with contempt cracks me up.
Ray Winstone obviously didn't work out so well....
It could have been called 'Black Widows'. 🤔
I'd give it 3/5.
I appreciate how even though she’s a black widow, her personality is completely different from Natasha. She’s never felt like a replacement.
If I didn’t scream **FUCK YEAH** at my tv when she showed up, I at least audibly gasped.
Sadly the rest of the movie wasn’t as good
Yelena is in your top 3 _because_ of Florence Pugh's acting!
She is easily the best thing about the newer Marvel films.
Every family scene was spot on. The banter and relationships between them felt so natural.
That’s where the good ends. The fight scenes were overall pretty weak. They could have done so much more with Taskmastwr. The final fight was weak, why not have all four of them have to take on TM. Instead Natasha kinda easily beat her.
The opportunity that was missed was the telling of the Budspest story.
Edited because predictive text was being dumb.
I don’t need any help in that department
My main reason why this movie didn’t work for me on release was the timeline. It felt like a movie that should’ve come out between civil war and infinity war. It’s a lot more enjoyable on a rewatch.