F4: First Steps Rant

I don’t know if all of this has been said before, but I haven’t seen anything about this. Honestly I can’t believe people are saying F4: First Steps is Marvel redemption. I’ve just watched it and haven’t seen people saying how underwhelming and underserved this movie felt. The pacing was insane, can’t explain why, but it all felt like a long trailer. I feel like it wasn’t just the fact that they crammed this movie into 2 hours, it’s much more than that.

First things first, the chemistry wasn’t there at all. There was no character development. For example, they had a quick rundown of their history and they showed for 5 seconds how they had a previous enemy (the moleman) and that this Earth has some underground nation, but they decided it would be awesome to include this character to help F4 and I honestly couldn’t care less about it. Also, I really didn’t care at all about Ben’s relationship with Rachel; they had one, very awkward interaction, and suddenly he was going to meet her before they went all doomsday mode. Ben was really just sidelined the whole movie and it feels like they wanted to give him something and they threw in the whole awkward crush thing out of nowhere. Even when Sue Storm talks about her accident I just felt like this was something we could’ve seen in a prequel to this so it would be some emotional lore to both her and Johnny. Also, you’re telling me I should feel something about Reed’s anxiety? Silver surfer was just meh, I mean, in Rise of the Silver surfer at least we had a deeper lore, dialogues and overall character from Silver surfer. I mean, everything is completely undeserved and unnecessary. The lines were very icky, overall the writing was just bonkers to me. The thing is not the runtime, it’s the writing. Why write all of that when you could do a more detailed and deeper movie that follows a maybe less complex enemy for the introduction to the team?

To sum it up, I feel like this should’ve been a sequel because it’s like they’re expecting us to connect with these characters and their history without really weaving it carefully. I feel this is especially important since they’re a team. I mean, think of the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie, we really get to connect with each character plus feel like their team makes sense because we get to see their beginnings and how they got together in the first place. So, in that note, I really feel as if the whole baby thing should’ve happened after we got to meet and love the team as they are growing up together (?) idk…
What do you think?

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idahoisformetal2025-11-18 04:34

Often I try to see things from other perspective but I can’t find any of your gripes to be valid.

eBICgamer20102025-11-18 04:39

I actually think his gripe of this movie not being an origin story is fair. If that's not the case for you then it's fine, you're already a fan.

But Marvel isn't just making movies solely based on fans knowing details from the comic. I think they failed to properly answer a few questions and that's why this movie seemingly can't connect with a good chunk of audience out there.

How many people actually saw the Tim Story films? If they did see the Tim Story films, why did Marvel use Captain America as a bait before revealing the Human Torch in Deadpool and Wolverine, not the other way around?

Heck, how many people actually saw Fant4stic which is the last time this team even had a feature film (and with it pop culture relevance) prior to the MCU?

People conflated the idea that the previous Fox films did their origin story = no need for that in the MCU. I think it's a decision that won't age well, simply because the team isn't popular enough to justify skipping that part. Same goes for Superman.

Hot take, I know right? But if normal people had problem with Uncle Ben's absence in the MCU Spider-Man trilogy, and Spider-Man is THE superhero, imagine how worse it gets when we get down the ladder.

Hammerrrr322025-11-18 04:37

I don’t agree at all. I really don’t know what deeper Silver Surfer lore from FF2 you’re referring to

skateboardude7612025-11-18 04:37

While I enjoyed the movie I completely agree

ew2x42025-11-18 04:40

Same. Unfortunately very forgettable. The opening silver surfer monologue is the only iconic moment.

NoHuckleberry39612025-11-18 04:44

WOMP WOMP.

InevitableWeight3142025-11-18 04:49

I really disagree with these notes. The movie skims past the cosmic radiation and introductions for the same reason as Superman (2025) and Spider-Man Homecoming. We’ve seen it many times before. And in the F4’s case, it’s been done to poor quality.

And I thought both Reed and Surfer were super complex and deep. The surfer got loads of attention and even a flashback, which is more than what we got from RotSS. And maybe it’s just because I relate to Pedro’s Reed a little but I think his anxiety and his autism-coded ‘problems’ were fantastically represented

cecinestpascool2025-11-18 04:59

While I get how the whole cosmic radiation thing has been done before and very poorly, I feel like it would’ve been an opportunity to redeem F4 and rewrite everything better. And although I know this was far better from previous attempts, I can’t say it was a good movie as such. If our only concern is for the movie to be better than the previous ones, the bar is set too low and it’s not a hard task, especially in a studio like Marvel.
About these two characters, I just can’t see the deepness in Reed or Silver Surfer, they felt very flat to me. Don’t know if it’s your case specifically but I feel like people are giving Reed too much credit just for being portrayed by Pedro Pascal (who I think is a good actor overall) because he’s “relatable”, when I think the best characters from the MCU were built, not just expected to be loved.

InevitableWeight3142025-11-18 05:08

I think you are right to a degree. The movie isnt amazing or 10/10 by any standards but I do think it was quite good. And yes, Iron Man and Captain America were built to be well-written, relatable, and beloved characters, but thats because they had like 10 movies, at least 7 of which where they were one of the main characters. Reed’s only been in one movie so far and it’s a F4 movie, not a Mr Fantastic movie. I don’t think you can expect his development to have that many layers just yet

ScaredFamousfan2025-11-18 05:49

Well I love the movie, thought the chemistry was great, and the story elevated the coming of galactictus storyline with great visuals. I watch this movie so many times since it’s been out and it get better and better with each viewing

Affectionate-Bus9272025-11-18 12:10

exactly !!!

Lewis24092025-11-18 17:40

Idk about all this but I felt like reed was underutilized which is weird considering he’s like mister fantastic and all

CaptHayfever2025-11-19 05:14

Agree about hasty editing.
***Completely*** disagree about the chemistry or character development. Like, I don't even think you had any semblance of a good point there whatsoever.

Just-Charge-34282025-11-22 04:49

I liked the movie pretty well. Loved the 60s tech vibe thing, and the story was good. But to me, the actors were just very blah and boring. Vanessa Kirby just made no impression on me--she seemed to be wearing the same expression on her face for the whole movie. Pedro Pascal wasn't that much better, and Joseph Quinn just came off as bland. Ebon Moss-Bachrach was very good, though.

It was still better than any of the other Fantastic Four movies, though. Looking forward to seeing what they'll do next.

The_Strom7842025-12-06 20:35

I don't think they've found their footing as the characters yet. Specifically Pedro and Vanessa. But the movie was definitely a lot better than the last three we've seen. It honestly was a good movie. Hopefully they'll be better in the next film.