Do you think there will ever be an MCU 2?
I know with Secret Wars coming up that the MCU is gonna do a soft reboot, but they've accidentally locked themselves into a story structure where everything has to be Canon until it's retconned. AKA the exact same problem comics have had since 1938.
But do you ever think a REAL hard reboot of the MCU will happen?
As in, ground zero, start with their popular characters who, at this point are probably Captain America, Spider-Man, and Iron Man, with honorable mentions for Wolverine, Black Panther, and Thor. (Unfortunately Hulk isn't common in the public consciousness anymore after so many mid appearances)
Because they seriously shafted a lot of characters in the MCU. Black Widow, Hawkeye, Hulk, Hank Pym, Janet Van Dyne, all never got the chance they deserved. Same for Black Bolt and the Inhumans (though they might play a part as a political counter to the X-Men post secret wars idk).
I just think that despite being such a huge thing, the MCU definitely didn't do everything perfectly. I don't expect it to, but characters like the aforementioned ones seriously need an update. Especially Black Widow & Hawkeye.
I've only read Widow's recent comics but she is *incredibly* different than the MCU.
I'm going to say something that I think most people think: the blueprint for how to adapt a character "well" is Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
If they appeared there, that's how I'd want them to be adapted.
This mostly applies to Hulk, Widow, and Hawkeye, as well as Captain Marvel.
Turning widow and Hawkeye into shield agents with a gimmick was weird, especially because afaik Natasha didn't even use Widow's Bite until Civil War. Literally her most iconic weapon.
Just some thoughts I had at 1 AM. What's your take?
But do you ever think a REAL hard reboot of the MCU will happen?
As in, ground zero, start with their popular characters who, at this point are probably Captain America, Spider-Man, and Iron Man, with honorable mentions for Wolverine, Black Panther, and Thor. (Unfortunately Hulk isn't common in the public consciousness anymore after so many mid appearances)
Because they seriously shafted a lot of characters in the MCU. Black Widow, Hawkeye, Hulk, Hank Pym, Janet Van Dyne, all never got the chance they deserved. Same for Black Bolt and the Inhumans (though they might play a part as a political counter to the X-Men post secret wars idk).
I just think that despite being such a huge thing, the MCU definitely didn't do everything perfectly. I don't expect it to, but characters like the aforementioned ones seriously need an update. Especially Black Widow & Hawkeye.
I've only read Widow's recent comics but she is *incredibly* different than the MCU.
I'm going to say something that I think most people think: the blueprint for how to adapt a character "well" is Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
If they appeared there, that's how I'd want them to be adapted.
This mostly applies to Hulk, Widow, and Hawkeye, as well as Captain Marvel.
Turning widow and Hawkeye into shield agents with a gimmick was weird, especially because afaik Natasha didn't even use Widow's Bite until Civil War. Literally her most iconic weapon.
Just some thoughts I had at 1 AM. What's your take?
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I think you watched too much clickbait on YouTube, because we have no confirmation of a reboot. The quote is:
>“We’re utilizing that \[story\] not just to round out the stories we’ve been telling post-‘Endgame,’ just as importantly — and you can look at the at the ‘Secret Wars’ comics for where that takes you — it very, very much sets us up for the future,” Feige said. “‘Endgame,’ literally, was about endings. ‘Secret Wars’ is about is about beginnings.”
But Feige was also careful not to characterize the changes as a “reboot”; instead, the executive said “Secret Wars” will serve as a “reset” for the MCU.
“Reboot is a scary word,” he said. “Reboot can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. Reset, singular timeline — we’re thinking along those lines.” Later, he added, “‘X-Men’ is where that will happen next.”
What you’re describing is a rebooted universe. If the plan is to eventually introduce rebooted versions of Cap & Iron Man in this new timeline, then first Iron Man & Cap films never happened in this new timeline, and with that, you’re rebooting 70% of the MCU right then and there.
The X-Men & FF universes being merged into the MCU will have radical consequences for continuity.
>“Reboot is a scary word,” he said. “Reboot can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. Reset, singular timeline — we’re thinking along those lines.” Later, he added, “‘X-Men’ is where that will happen next.”
Sooo a reboot. What he described in material terms, is a *reboot*; doesn’t matter if he doesn’t wanna call it one when it’ll functionally serve the same purpose as one.
You just said yourself that they plan to introduce rebooted versions of Tony & Steve in the new timeline post-SW, as Feige said.
If that is indeed the plan, then Iron Man (2008) will no longer be canon, because the history of Iron Man will be rebooted.
>**Look at Secret Wars (2015), would you call that a reboot?** No, because it wasn't. The rough history was the same, but the details changed. That's probably what they're doing with Secret Wars (2027)
I would not, because what happened in Secret Wars (2015) is magnitudes different in context & scale than what is happening in Secret Wars (2027) — to compare them is a false equivalency.
The former merged in a handful of characters, the latter is merging 3 different universes with completely divergent histories and mythologies, into a *single* unified timeline.
It’s not going to be “mostly the same” MCU as before, because it’ll logistically impossible for that to be the case.
The Fantastic Four alone will completely reshape the MCU’s history. That’s not even getting into mutants and the consequences for society that will.
Since the TVA and multiverse are destroyed, no one can monitor the events that follow. In this version of Endgame, Stark's nanosuit is DAMAGED. The battle happens exactly the same until the moment Tony stole the stones from 2014 Thanos. This time, it doesn't work, and 2014 Thanos WINS. As he said, he shreds the universe down its last atom and then creates a new universe filled with life yet with no memory of what existed before.
That's the reboot. 2014 Thanos WINS the final battle of Endgame and erases not just everything after Endgame, but everything before it too. A brand-new MCU. A clean slate.
Part of me really wishes they'd just use X-Men '97 along with The Amazing Spider-Man from that era as the foundation and go from there, but it's unlikely - their target demographic is probably kids now, not kids from the 90's with a mountain of nostalgia. So they probably go closer to the What If? / Marvel Zombies animation style.
Also helps that animation means it's easier to let actors age or recast if they want out since you just need a similar sounding voice actor. They can keep their biggest characters around instead of cycling through them as actors age out of their roles.
All they are actually doing is merging the main mcu universe, with the X men universe and the fantastic four universe, ending the multiverse saga and moving onto the next saga, all events that happened are still part of the MCU history
It's very unlikely that they're going to scrap everything and start from the beginning again. Everything will still be canon, but maybe a couple things will change. For example, maybe there's a new black widow, a new hawkeye, a new captain america, new iron man. A new black panther.
Secret Wars is the perfect opportunity for them to bring in new people for the characters and merge them into this universe as if they never died. These aren't the same characters, but they aren't completely different either.
Especially for black panther. Chadwick boseman's passing was so sad, but I don't think killing t'challa was the right idea.
Shuri was always going to take up the mantle eventually, but because of boseman's passing, I think she got bumped up into movie too instead of movie 3.
Lol. No you don't.
Read the articles you cite, please. Thank you!
However, I believe the MCU would face two significant obstacles:
- The iconic nature of some castings. Cavill and Affleck had some fans, but not enough to be considered the only possible versions of the characters, and this allowed Corenswelt to take Cavill's place quite easily. We're also talking about characters who have gone through numerous acting changes over time.
I see it as much more difficult to recasting Iron Man without the heavy shadow of Robert Downey Jr., or Captain America not played by Chris Evans. Heck, it's been twenty-five years since X-Men 1, and Wolverine is still Hugh Jackman.
- The new things to exploit. DC has a huge advantage in this regard: the old DCEU used relatively few characters, and there are plenty left to exploit.
The MCU has adapted almost everything it could, and Sony and Fox have also done a lot with their own characters. Something new and captivating is increasingly difficult to find.
gonna need a source on that, big dog
It's also increasingly obvious the MCU wants to do a restart.
All they are actually doing is merging the main mcu universe, with the X men universe and the fantastic four universe, ending the multiverse saga and moving onto the next saga, all events that happened are still part of the MCU history