Hot take: Endgame would have worked better if you swapped Thor and Captain Marvel.

I'll start by saying Thor is by far my favorite character, but if you had swapped their roles, with CM as a main focus, it would have worked much better. For starters, you get to develop her character, something she lacks, and make her much more likable. Then you get to avoid making Thor a joke, so Love and Thunder can focus on his grief and growth as a character. This also fits Thor's theme as the power of the Avengers, when he comes in to take down the ship and stall Thanos. I also think Thor going off-world to help other planets would be a nice touch and contrast nicely with the Gods in Love and Thunder doing nothing to help. Now, the flaws with this: How does Cap get the hammer? For me, I would add a sub-plot where, before taking out the ship, Thor gets another chat from Odin (think the ones in Thor 3) where he learns how to tap into the Odin force, and rebuilds Mjölnir. Mjölnir would then fly to Cap's hand and save him from Thanos. Not great, but if there are better ideas, I'm all ears. The 2nd was how do I make Thanos fight work? Iron Man and Cap are locks, but without Thor, who do I add? I think Hulk fits best. CM can fill his role for this. Not only does Hulk, Cap, and Iron Man losing make way more sense, but it can showcase a character who was nerfed and neglected by Marvel. The rest plays out the same, just without Thor joining the GOTG, as he becomes the "true" (not whatever BS TLAT showed) king of Asgard. CM becomes a new leader of the Avengers along with Sam. She also fits the powerhouse role and the balance to Sentry on the Thunderbolts.

TDLR

Thor becomes an impactful non-joke character and is set up much better for LAT.

CM becomes an important member of the New Avengers and gets (hopefully) much improved likability and characterization.

Hulk gets a chance to showcase the differences in fighting and tactics with Banner in control.

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ViolinistMiddle15342025-11-16 06:36

I would love to hear why you agree/disagree, just keep it civil.

PhuckSJWs2025-11-16 06:41

hard disagree.

From Ragnarok through Endgame Thor (and Loki) had the strongest character arcs of any character in the entirety of the MCU.

We had only just met Cap marvel and it was her in th past, not relevant to anything of note going on in the present. She just would not have worked since there was no established rapport with her built through the overall story arc.

ViolinistMiddle15342025-11-16 06:49

Fair, I do think you could argue that the same thing happened with Hawkeye in the first Avengers movie, though. Same deal with Wanda in AOU.

Single-Pianist-22112025-11-16 09:29

I agree about Loki and about Thor *until* Endgame. Thor’s Endgame arc was good in theory but awful in execution. They treated his grief like a joke for 95% of the movie and then had him abandon all responsibility in the end to go have fun in space. 👎 with a few big changes it could’ve been great but it unfortunately caused character damage that’s still in need of fixing to this day

krashd032025-11-16 06:41

That's actually really good..although I would have missed thor in the movie overall and so would have the general audience and could have potentially gotten backlash by the public...but this would have been good to set up the future of thor.

Big_Life_9472025-11-16 06:43

The Endgame team is supposed to be the same team as the original Avengers movie (with a couple of new people added in like Antman) so I don’t think removing Thor from the plot for most of the movie would work.

ViolinistMiddle15342025-11-16 06:52

Very fair.

PezDiSpencersGifts2025-11-16 06:44

How would retrieving the Reality Stone have worked if Thor were to have shown up at the end to save the day? Which also, that would just kinda feel like a rehash of Infinity War when Thor came to Wakanda.

ViolinistMiddle15342025-11-16 06:50

Could have gotten it from the collector, just have it be based on CM space travel knowledge.

PezDiSpencersGifts2025-11-16 07:02

But at least for Thor, we KNOW he has contact with the reality stone (and they needed to be for sure about their time destinations as they had limited Pym particles) and he also gets the closure with his mom which was important for his arc. If we resorted to CM conveniently hearing about it at some unknown point during her unknown adventures, it would’ve just felt like lazy writing.

FX1142025-11-16 06:46

I mean, if you want to change the movie so it doesn't make Thor a joke, you can just take out the stuff that makes him a joke. It's not like that's the only thing that could happen with him in the movie.

ViolinistMiddle15342025-11-16 06:51

Sure, but if you do that it's hard to imagine why he cant just solo Thanos or do everything really.

Sql_master2025-11-16 06:47

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ViolinistMiddle15342025-11-16 06:48

The idea is to change that.

spidervenom6192025-11-16 07:48

DEI isn't real, it's can't hurt you buddy.

Mass24242025-11-16 06:48

nah, i think Cap Marvel should have been introduced after Endgame, gotten her powers after Endgame. Thor takes down the ship in an awesome storm of lightning and Hulk stalls Thanos and gets his rematch/redemption.

ViolinistMiddle15342025-11-16 06:52

That could work as well for me. The problem is that she had already been put in a billion-dollar movie.

Mass24242025-11-16 06:56

that could have been released after endgame but not linked to it. I wouldnt have made it in the past. Not have her powers tied to infinity stones and maker powers not limitless.

ViolinistMiddle15342025-11-16 06:58

I would like that as well. I did write this with her already introduced, though.

Marrow-Sun77262025-11-16 06:48

Endgame was all about the original six, it's discussed in the commentary.

quantumpencil2025-11-16 06:59

Captain Marvel should not have been in Endgame at all. Her presence in the film made it worse, every scene that she had should've gone to another character(s) with emotional stakes in the narrative that had been built up so far.

The ships should have been destroyed by Hulk, Thor, and Scarlet Witch. The Gauntlet running/dash and final confrontation should've been Nebula and Gamora fighting together as sisters to keep thanos from snapping until Tony pulls his final gambit.

YuanShing2025-11-16 09:22

agree

Single-Pianist-22112025-11-16 09:27

What they did to Thor in Endgame was absolutely awful, but all you need to do to fix it is

1 - treat Thor’s grief seriously. He can still be fat and depressed just don’t make it a fucking joke.

2 - have him be amazing again in the final fight rather than severely nerfed. I get that he was too powerful to fight no-stone Thanos, but they really needed to deal with this issue in some other way rather than humiliating the character.

maybe have him do the second snap instead of hulk and that’s what weakens him for the final fight? How badass would it be if he gets kinda wrecked from it but still insists on continuing to fight?

3 - have him leave with the GOTG at the end specifically to find a new home for the Asgardians as their king, not relinquish his title and abandon his people and responsibility to go “find himself” or whatever.

ViolinistMiddle15342025-11-16 18:53

Now that would work for me.

NicoleIlieva2025-11-16 13:35

It wouldn't have worked better because 1) it was about the OG Avengers and 2) we just met Carol.

Sam and Carol becoming co-leaders of a team that is still non-existent... requires for the MCU to have completely changed around their overall writing, not just a swap between two powerful characters.

MoistTubes2025-11-16 18:37

Endgame worked well anyway.

Stormik2025-11-18 13:40

I don't think it would work because it would require rewriting/omitting a lot of iconic moments (apart from THE most iconic you've mentioned - Cap lifting Mjolnir) basically making it almost an entirely different movie.

I don't think Thor could Ancient drone Thanos' ship like Carol (though writers could surely come up with some other convenient deus ex machina way for him to do so).

Thor was a crucial part of retrieving the Reality Stone and the moment with his mother was just a cherry on top.

The whole New Asgard part was classic MCU comedy.

Even the fight Tony/Cap/Thor vs Thanos can't imo be "just switch Thor with Hulk" cause for your goal you want CM to have as much screen time as possible and putting her there would just mean she could kick gauntletless 2014 Thanos' ass while Cap and Tony are enjoying shawarma or something. Also out of those three (Tony/Cap/Hulk) only Tony put up a tiny bit of a fight in 1v1 against Thanos. Cap got KOed with a single punch and Thanos was just toying with Hulk in IW not to mention he wasn't trying to kill any of them. Thor made that fight interesting (he didn't have either Mjolnir or Stormbreaker when he got beaten in IW, here he had both). Without a power character like that they wouldn't stance a chance against Thanos who is trying to kill them especially when armed with his vibranium cutting swordcopter.

Though I do agree they could have handled Thor better... to say the least.