I love seeing how Phase 4 began like Phase 1 did, like a snake eating its own tail, or like a time loop.

you can’t compare Val to Nick Fury

Edit: you’re insane if you think budget Selina Meyer is 1/100 the character that Nick Fury was

I don’t think these compare at all.

I still can’t believe you typed polarizing as poler rising man 😭

The word you’re looking for is Ouroborous, and I think what you’re describing is iffy at best. They didn’t plan for this as evidenced by the tenuous nature of your suggestion, so I can’t really consider this “poetry”. It’s kind of a weak reach.

I guess... It's a bit of a stretch.

That's a great point. Yelena was pretty much the protagonist of Thunderbolts, but Walker was also given more depth since both were the only ones in the team to have flashbacks. I wonder if they are going to give them the same focus as Tony and Steve.

It's a lazy way of trying to recreate the wheel. Nothing special about it. Just lazy and boring

It’s not the same - Val doesn’t assemble the Thunderbolts, she sends them to kill each other, she doesn’t actually pick them to serve as a earth/american defense team they just happen to decide to work together, and they’re not even assembled with intent to fight a villain since the villain isn’t even known when she picks them.

This is the post that made me unsub xD

Ouroboros.

ironic thats a significantly major character in Loki S2

I'm confused by these comments. They're literally the dark/new avengers, a parallel to the actual main avengers. The scenes with Val are a very obvious nod to how Nick started to recruit them in Phase 1.

Yes, Val ultimately did it for quick and dirty mercenary work and attempted to dispose of them once it was done, but it's not at all a stretch to see the teams as counterparts.

But Shield was meant to be part of something bigger. Literally trying to help deal with more insane and unexplainable threats.


What Val seemingly wants is her own squad of people with superpowers and skills to do her bidding. For her own self-interests.

She doesn't see any of them as people but as tools.

She was ready to just "dispose" everyone until realizing the experiments with Bob/Sentry were successful.

She didn't even care that Yelena or U.S Agent or ghost survived.


Pretty sure Fury wouldn't do that. He'd go through drastic means to get everyone on the same page, but he wouldn't want anyone out of the picture prematurely.

It’s like poetry. It rhymes.

Is that Kirk Lazarus?

Phase 4 is off to a shit start

It must be studied how fucked up marvel was after endgame

More like a time poop

I don’t know why everyone is jumping on you. Those scenes with John Walker and Yelena are definitely meant to be reminiscent of Nick Fury assembling the avengers. I just don’t think it works so well trying to map it to the phases as you are.

Dude, Valentina was only setting up for the Thunderbolts movie. That's not a major event compared to the build-up to the first Avengers movie.

Almost like are Ouroborous, or IDK, OB for short...

Bob and Yekena = Banner and Natasha

Or lazy writing

No. It’s a snake eating its own tale would be if phase 1 (or the end of the MCU) finished the same way it started. What you’re describing is like a snake that comes along to replace another snake because it doesn’t have any originality.