I love how Ghost is getting the comeback that she desverses and having a larger role in 2 big event movies in amazing actually.

It insane that she went from a good villain in ant man 2, then becoming anti hero and then avenger in her next appreance is astonishing to me and I'm glad she's back for Doomsday and hopefully secret wars and her role in Zombies was really cool especially the Moon blade moment that was straight up fire. She's underrated in my opinion and I'm so excited and happy she's back in the saddle.

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Tiger9512025-11-13 16:32

I completely agree. I’m glad we’re getting more of her.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 16:36

Yeah, I know she was gone for 7 years, but I love her, and she's better than ever.

thriftydelegate2025-11-13 17:02

I haven't seen a lot of the marvel films in a long time, did the reason for her eye colour change get explained in any of those films?

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:05

Maybe it was age or makeup.

antlerskull2025-11-13 17:06

Don’t think it needs to. She was quantum broken but was then fixed at the end of the film by Janet.

BigAlReviews2025-11-13 17:42

Whatever happened to Janet's magic quantum powers or was that just temporary

Any-Transition952025-11-13 19:46

It was a pretty janky plot device for the resolution anyway, I think it's fine they dropped it. It kinda ruined antman 2 ending for me, felt cheap and contrived.

thecricketnerd2025-11-14 03:07

They were temporary, leftover particles from being down there for so long. At the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp they showed Scott having to go into the quantum tunnel to retrieve more particles so it was pretty clear.

The810kid2025-11-13 17:35

Now give her a hero's story arc and sismance with Yelena.

Trickster14052025-11-13 16:37

I dont Like her

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 16:37

Why?

Phorskyn2025-11-13 16:40

Where’s the doomsday picture from? Is that the thunderbolts post credit scene?

The_Po_Gamer2025-11-13 16:44

Yeah

PayneTrain1819992025-11-13 16:53

Yes, it was directed by the Russos on the set of Doomsday (as was the F4 post-credits scene), so people think it might actually be a scene from Doomsday.

maxfridsvault2025-11-14 00:47

yeah it seems like the TNA’s introduction scene in Doomsday- similar to how the Guardians were introduced in IW, or how they used a scene from Civil War as the post credits for Ant-Man.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-13 17:44

Why are people still calling the movie thunderbolts after the end credits revealed the movies real name, and the marketing was updated to reflect its real name?

Sparrowsabre72025-11-13 17:46

Because Thunderbolts sounds better and is closer to what the team actually is.

For the record this is less a criticism of Thunderbolts being the New Avengers than the name in general. I think naming anything the "New" something, is so unbelievably stupid. Unless you plan to stop making new versions of that thing it just seems ridiculous in a few years time.

"Have you played the new Super Mario Bros?" "Yeah that was a great DS game" "Ah no, I meant the new Super Mario Bros that just came out for Switch"

"I love the New Avengers" "Oh yeah? Which of the four volumes of the "New" Avengers do you like?" "Oh actually I meant All New All Different Avengers, which is actually older than vol 4 of New Avengers which launched later that same year."

It's just nonsense.

ubutterscotchpine2025-11-13 17:50

Because The New Avengers isn’t the ‘real’ name lmao. The name is Thunderbolts*, as labeled on the literal Disney streaming service 😂 marketing is what people call a ‘gimmick’. Good lord lol

EightBiscuit012025-11-13 18:06

Because thunderbolts doesn’t take nearly as long to type out

AnOnlineHandle2025-11-13 18:18

Wat? I've seen the movie and have nfi what you're talking about. It was called Thunderbolts, and at the end they form some sort of alt-Avengers team or something (kind of fuzzy now), but the movie was listed as and called Thunderbolts.

TheCatCubed2025-11-13 18:21

There is no real name. The movie is called Thunderbolts, cause that's what it is about. New Avengers is just a clever teaser for the future.

Hustler-Two2025-11-13 16:45

Funny that she’s the only Thunderbolt other than Bucky from the pre-Endgame era. I agree that she’s a good character, even if she was arguably more interesting as an unhinged but sympathetic villain.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 16:48

Yes. She and Bucky are infinity saga characters while the others are afterwards.

CeruleanEidolon2025-11-13 21:40

Helena and Alexei are kinda retconned in, though, since *Black Widow* takes place right after *Civil War*. That film fits better as a coda to Phase 3 than it does as part of Phase 4.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 21:56

yes, if you watch it in timeline order not release order

thekruton2025-11-14 00:15

Not even strictly timeline order. I just always put the post-Civil War fallout movies right after Civil War. Black Panther, Black Widow, Homecoming, Ant-Man 2. Sometimes I mix it up a bit but they always play after.

Grand_Toast_Dad2025-11-14 14:25

The post credits scene spoils Endgame though.

OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-13 17:44

Avengerz*

lkangaroo2025-11-13 21:45

Govengers

JBTriple2025-11-14 00:13

That says "Avongers".

ReturnoftheBoat2025-11-13 19:01

Is that really notable? They created Yelena, Alexei, Walker and Sentry for this exact purpose...

raven00x2025-11-13 20:45

Yelena belova was black widow's nemesis in comics for a while, kind of the anti-black widow, then John Walker is US Agent and leader of avengers West Coast in the comics. Both have been around since the 80s. Sentry I think is newer, and I have no idea about the red guardian.

username116112025-11-13 21:30

Sentry has been around since the beginning what are you talking about?

raven00x2025-11-13 21:54

I'm unfamiliar with Sentry in general, mea culpa. I only started seeing Sentry covers in the last 10 years.

LADYBIRD_HILL2025-11-13 22:11

I believe they're referencing Sentry's role in the comics where it was retconned so that he was there through the entirety of Marvel history despite being a new character.

raven00x2025-11-13 22:17

Oh, whoosh. Like I said, outside of knowing the character exists, I'm not very familiar with them.

Myhtological2025-11-13 16:46

I just wish marvel would have actual villains again

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 16:49

Well, things have to change to move forward.

Myhtological2025-11-13 16:54

Or we can have a healthy balance? Why does every antagonist have to be a precious misunderstood baby?

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 16:59

Well it how their written, but they are always for different ways and ideas

Parahelix2025-11-13 17:39

Being evil for evil's sake is generally pretty boring.

Myhtological2025-11-13 17:44

Well so was Gor, The Flagsmashers, Harrow, Dar-Ben, The Djinn, and unfortunately Red Hulk.

Parahelix2025-11-13 17:46

Ok, but the fact that some aren't interesting isn't an argument against what I said either.

What interesting villains are evil for evil's sake?

Myhtological2025-11-13 17:49

Intimidation and real threat of loss. The Dark Knights Joker is still a villain benchmark that Marvel has not reached yet. You need to fear a villain.

Parahelix2025-11-13 18:24

That's still not an argument against what I said. None of those things require a villain to not have their own reasons for doing terrible things.

omegapool2025-11-13 16:50

Taskmaster found dead in a ditch

PayneTrain1819992025-11-13 16:54

Technically her body was incinerated lol

backwoodsbatman2025-11-13 17:33

Yeah that made it kind of hard for me to like her.

crap-zapper2025-11-14 03:55

Can’t come back with that epic skeleton face(mask) if she wasn’t dead first.

omegapool2025-11-14 04:12

Since they're doing multiversal, could bring Taskmaster back through the XMen/deadpool verse with either Jensen Ackles, Rob Delaney or Rob McElhenney each for different reasons

crap-zapper2025-11-14 04:19

You don’t know how much I’d love to see a real Tony Masters Taskmaster.

omegapool2025-11-14 04:38

I just can't figure why they made her Taskmaster, Could've easily gone Crimson dynamo/Eplsion red and would've been more fitting with red room theme

Bemxuu2025-11-13 16:51

She didn't get much character development in TB though :(

PayneTrain1819992025-11-13 16:55

Apparently she had more to do in the original script, but either way we got more from her and hopefully she has some standout moments in Doomsday.

Bemxuu2025-11-13 17:24

Release the ghost cut!

vim_deezel2025-11-13 18:40

There are going to be so many people in Doomsday, it better be like 3.5 hours long for any to get any character dev, I just hope they return to a more mature Thor, he's not supposed to be a buffoon like in the last movie lol

alex4942025-11-14 14:56

I imagine a lot of it gets handled in groups or pairs

FX1142025-11-13 17:10

I honestly can't think of a single thing she does once they get out of the vault.

hunterzolomon19932025-11-13 17:22

Saves their asses and is a big team player.

ubutterscotchpine2025-11-13 17:52

Yeah, she’s literally the only one that makes the active decision to KEEP coming back to save the team and is the first one to immediately say she’s going into the void after Yelena. I remember far more about her than Bob or John tbh 🤷🏻‍♀️

hunterzolomon19932025-11-13 18:02

She also immediately grabs Bucky's arm after Sentry ripped off.

ubutterscotchpine2025-11-13 18:26

Yup! I don’t really care for her in Ant-Man, I didn’t feel like she had much of a storyline and honestly the whole movie was not great lol. But Thunderbolts* made me love her. She was probably my second favorite in the movie next to Yelena. I thought it was pretty big characterization for her to choose to keep coming back and going after the others.

Chance_Salt96332025-11-13 17:52

She had a whole arc scripted involving her and Taskmaster. They decided to cut Taskmaster from the movie but changed little else about the script which is why Ghost is just kinda…there. [Source](https://www.polygon.com/marvel/596372/thunderbolts-taskmaster-death-planned-story-arc/)

The810kid2025-11-13 17:36

She got snubbed once Bucky saved everyone and they got to New York.

FightTheDead1182025-11-13 21:01

The problem is the original script had her forming a friendship with Taskmaster, and that was the majority of both their roles. When they decided to kill Taskmaster 5 minutes into the movie she lost her entire story and they didn’t bother to replace it with anything so she just does nothing

Citizen_Kong2025-11-13 16:52

She looks cool visually and has an interesting powerset (although I still prefer Kitty Pryde). Also Hannah John Kamen is a great actress who can convincingly kick ass (she trained in Krav Maga and Capoeria for her role on Killjoys on top of being a trained dancer). Doesn't hurt that she's a smoke show as well.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:01

Yeah, I love shadowcat, too, but Ghost is truly a work of art

Gilded-Mongoose2025-11-13 16:53

That Moon Blade fight is one of my favorite MCU moments. I really hope the new Blade gets to have more of that sort of energy - right up the cusp of being truly mystical.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:00

Yeah it was so legit

Karmo222025-11-13 16:58

I love Ava so much and Hannah John-Kamen is absolutely gorgeous.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 16:59

Oh, absolutely. Simply perfection

That-Guava-94042025-11-13 23:45

She is dreamy 😍

thesagaconts2025-11-14 05:05

She has such a striking look. You can’t help but look at her.

legomaximumfigure2025-11-14 19:06

She was amazing in Killjoys. I miss that show.

UpliftinglyStrong2025-11-15 02:49

TRUE

AdlerSanRZ2025-11-13 16:59

Where's the doomsday pic from

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:00

Thunderbolts end credits secene

Dempressed_Kimg2025-11-13 17:01

4 appearances, 4 hairstyles

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:05

No flaws, just perfect

nenyabi2025-11-13 20:06

Sorry but the doomsday look sucks

Spicy_Weissy2025-11-14 00:34

For real, what the hell were they thinking? It's gotta be done PR person at OXE trying to make her more "womanly" or some nonsense.

nenyabi2025-11-14 00:46

I want to think it's fake. The hair, the excessive make up, the blank expression... It has to be something odd, not her.

Spicy_Weissy2025-11-14 00:52

That's what I mean. Bucky too has the super overdone hair. Val is trying to sell them as the New Avengers, friendly marketing, like on the Wheaties box.

Nightwing06132025-11-15 19:58

She needs to go back to the White suit she had in Ant-Man & the Wasp

ubutterscotchpine2025-11-13 17:52

Ant-Man and Thunderbolts are the same style. And it should’ve stayed. The post credit scene is so bad lol

N8CCRG2025-11-13 21:28

["A Precise (and Totally Necessary) Taxonomy of 64 Hairstyles in the Marvel Cinematic Universe"](https://www.vulture.com/2019/05/all-the-marvel-cinematic-universe-hairstyles.html)

1sneaky12025-11-13 17:09

The choice of a Marvel Zombies (animation) square over Thunderbolts is an interesting choice. She’s a good character so far

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:10

Yes.

cantfindmykeys2025-11-13 17:09

Just don't kill her Marvel

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:10

Oh I hope she survives in Doomsday

cantfindmykeys2025-11-13 17:12

Agreed. I loved her in Antman and the Wasp and was beyond happy she came back for The ~~Thundbolt~~ New Avenegers. Her powerset alone is worth saving

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:15

![gif](giphy|DeobURBiyoMRFO4GqD|downsized)

nazia9872025-11-13 17:10

She died way too quickly in Marvel Zombies. With her powers, she would've been such a lethal threat, that they had to get rid of her.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:11

Well, she was going to kill the rest of the survivors if Blade Knight wasn't there in the secene

nazia9872025-11-13 17:12

I really liked Blade Knight and the fight scene was cool, but I felt like she's would've killed him

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:15

I know, but he's with khonsu

ChronoMonkeyX2025-11-13 17:13

I love Hannah John-Kamen, and think Ghost is a really interesting character with fun powers, but I don't accept she becomes a zombie. Her power is literally not being there to get bit!

I haven't watched it yet, maybe there's a good reason, but still. She should be a survivor.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:14

Oh ok I love the show

LADYBIRD_HILL2025-11-13 22:12

Probably bit early on before they knew what was happening

Joey-WilcoXXX2025-11-13 23:58

Same here. I think she’s a pretty great actor and she’s objectively stunning. Love that she’s getting more to do with a very interesting character.

Intrepid_Mobile2025-11-13 17:14

For one sec I thought that was taskmaster. She should have had more screen time on Thunderbolts.

Btw, what happened to her eyes?

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:16

I didn't know. Age

![gif](giphy|rFkZVFuLcR72M)

N8CCRG2025-11-13 17:15

As someone who loved her from the beginning, I'm so glad to see this community do a 180 on her and go from hating her to loving her. I don't understand why, but I'm glad for it.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:16

I love her back then and even more now

hunterzolomon19932025-11-13 17:21

I really hope they don't kill her off. Honestly i hope all The New Avengers survive as i love the dynamic between them and want a New Avengers film with them all back.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:23

Yep me too

Riley__642025-11-13 17:28

Stuff like this is why I wish I had a Time Machine.

go back in time to like the time ant-man and the wasp released and tell everyone that the next avengers team would be yelena, red guardian, Bucky, usagent, ghost and sentry.

Nobody would believe me everyone would think I’m ridiculous but it’d be really funny seeing the reactions.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:37

I would the same with Infinity War and Endgame and other Marvel movies like Marty Mcfly style in Back to the future

Riley__642025-11-13 17:40

I think the thunderbolts is the funniest example because of how ridiculous the team is, obviously from the movie we got it makes complete sense but if you told someone this before it came out they’d think you’re talking nonsense.

Especially for ghost because many people had the idea she was a one off villain who would be forgotten after ant-man

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:40

Yeah, most certainly

Responsible_Egg75192025-11-13 17:29

I liked her long hair :( I wish they didn’t cut it for Doomsday

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 17:37

I know

Sectionwastaken2025-11-13 17:32

Hope they do more exciting action scenes with her powers.

blupengu2025-11-13 18:18

Ngl Ghost is my favorite Thunderbolt, I so hope we get a sequel and she actually gets a decent role to play in doomsday! Her fights have the potential to be so cool with her phasing

Also, damn Hannah John-Kamen is so pretty, I legit started binging Killjoys just for her LOL

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 18:19

![gif](giphy|tySnFpAK2E7cn1bNby|downsized)

Kenta_Gervais2025-11-13 18:20

NGL she was the highlight for me in Thunderbolts. Her ability is crazy, and the actress is too good for it

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 18:21

Definitely

JSilverhand1042025-11-13 18:29

No she doesn't, did y'all forget the post credit for Ant Man 2?

tuxxer2025-11-13 19:18

We always knew the Dutchess was destined for greatness

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 19:22

Yep

Normal_Tour69982025-11-13 19:20

Antonia deserved better.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 19:24

Yes.

![gif](giphy|HkDlKExDOGf9fiH8Cr)

Baruch052025-11-13 19:23

Bummed how they did taskmaster dirty though.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 19:24

I know. She deserves better

PostPostModernism2025-11-13 19:42

She's an interesting character but I want more character development for her than "I had a shitty life and my powers are as much a problem as a help" for her. I feel like she hasn't been developed very deeply yet. But her actress seems solid and her power is really fun on the screen so hopefully we'll get more!

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 19:43

Oh yes.

Ryankc1002025-11-13 19:47

I really liked ghost's motives being "i'm letterally dying, help me"

and now is just an anti-hero who is part of "Marvel studios left us out to dry" club

same with power broker/ wanda etc

MelonElbows2025-11-13 19:53

Where's that Doomsday photo from? There wasn't some secret trailer released already, was there?

Inevitable_Sun_59872025-11-13 20:12

Yes, Hannah John-Kamen's acting is good, the character can be sassy, she has personality. Underused so far, it's good she's going to be in Doomsday.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 22:08

oh yes. I have a massive crush on her

Ok_Bookkeeper_18582025-11-13 20:25

I wish she would’ve gotten the chance to interact with Tony, since she IS an Iron Man villain in the comics

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 22:05

yes, i would love that

alex4942025-11-14 14:57

Yeah also being able to completely bypass his armor would be interesting.

CascoBayButcher2025-11-13 20:59

Do we have any clue how big her role is in Doomsday? I'm expecting a line

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 22:01

maybe

SwampRSG2025-11-13 21:24

Now we only need a redemption on Taskmaster. They did that character SOOOO DIRTY.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 22:01

![gif](giphy|J336VCs1JC42zGRhjH)

No-Jello-41542025-11-13 21:25

Shoutout to one of my favorite mcu characters!

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 21:59

oh cool

_steve_rogers_2025-11-13 21:48

So did they completely change the title of thunderbolts to new avengers now? I don’t understand why they did that that it’s just very confusing for people.

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-13 21:57

it was a surprise.

MishellyUser2025-11-14 00:26

And they've just been cooking on ALL her fight scenes, she's being showered in love this year

SavagerXx2025-11-14 00:46

I am happy about it too, but after watching Thunderbolts i felt that she sadly didn't do much later in the movie. I hope she shines more in Doomsday and won't get killed. I think that she has potential. Tbh i dont understand why we have Falcon Jr. for example.

Sirius_Space2025-11-14 00:54

Please some do something different to her hair in doomsday, her hair in the post credit of thunderbolts sucked.

0LoveAnonymous02025-11-14 02:51

How did you get thr image for Doomsday.

0LoveAnonymous02025-11-14 02:51

I found her powers very cool but her character, not so interesting

Vaportrail2025-11-14 03:13

I keep thinking she was the one who got shot.
Her character really just does nothing for me.

failedjedi_opens_jar2025-11-14 03:17

Hot take: antman and the wasp is upper echelon mcu

Practical-Debate15982025-11-14 03:49

Ok but the fact ghost has more appearances than Kate bishop is criminal

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-14 10:04

Yep. Sorry Kate

![gif](giphy|gkUxK6f4057dQ5SP6i)

32mafiaman2025-11-14 04:53

Poor Ava never had a chance during the initial outbreak. She was on ground zero when Hank infected everyone. I’m sure she could have lived a good while if she wasn’t bit immediately

drkply2025-11-14 05:53

Hannah John-Kamen is great, she absolutely deserves this!

SaltyyDoggg2025-11-14 06:12

![gif](giphy|zU0LX1X7A1Nja|downsized)

achilles_45102025-11-14 08:13

Thunderbolts is such a good movie did justice to many characters

VanillaBear99152025-11-14 08:24

Meh. I wish he was like the comics version. Way more interesting looking.

fascfoo2025-11-14 13:42

I havent seen Thunderbolts yet (maybe Ill do it today!) but the fact that shes in it was a driving force for me - it was getting to a point where I thought smaller MCU roles would just get lost in time and I really liked her character

ZADKOR2025-11-14 18:23

JUSTICE FOR TASKMASTER!

bluntlybluntson2025-11-14 18:30

Who?

Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-14 19:01

Ava Starr

SeniorRicketts2025-11-14 20:40

My god, her look in the PC scene👌🏿

Crafty-Bunch-26752025-11-15 04:11

I think I started fanboying for Ghost halfway through the Thunderbolts movie. She's sassy. She has the funniest lines and scenes in the movie. She looks good in her costume too.
Ok. I'm gonna stop now.

StanyeEast2025-11-17 03:12

The joke's on you losers...she's actually been on screen multiple times in every single Marvel movie and TV show, ever since her debut in Ant-Man and the Wasp in 2018...you just couldn't see her like John Cena