Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of it has to do with the cast/keeping people in the same room rather than big story changes.
PayneTrain1819992025-11-12 23:48
Standard reshoots plus scheduling dozens of actors, some with other commitments, has got to be hard.
SpaceCaboose2025-11-12 21:55
Not a surprise. All blockbuster films have pre-scheduled reshoots so they can tweak and make changes after seeing initial edits of the film.
I’m mostly surprised by the gap between Doomsday and Secret Wars filming. Infinity War and Endgame only had a 2 week break between filming.
OShaunesssy2025-11-12 22:20
I get the feeling that Doomsday isn't going to end on a cliffhanger like Infinity War where the villian wins.
He will lose but tbe post-credits scene will tease Secret Wars, instead of leading right into it by the films cliffhanger.
Juse4k2025-11-12 22:29
It better not end the way infinity war did. I’d be really disappointed if doom ended the way infinity war did. Super lazy if they do.
fuzzyfoot882025-11-12 22:34
Infinity War and Endgame are just a giant super long version of the Avengers 1 plot. Loki “wins” halfway through with battle on the helicarrier scattering the heroes and setting himself up to win. Then the heroes come back together at the eleventh hour to defeat him.
Psych-roxx2025-11-12 22:42
that's how...any fantasy story works not really exclusive to avengers.
fuzzyfoot882025-11-12 22:43
So what difference does it make how doomsday ends being on a cliffhanger or not it’s still gonna wind up being the exact same story then yes?
Psych-roxx2025-11-12 22:49
im just building on what you said. Avengers 2 by that logic had the same plot with their low point being after Hulk's rampage in the city. Same can be said for Lord of the Rings Two Towers and Return of the King had the same structure. Same with literally every Harry Potter movie except the 4th I guess.
Same thing happened in whole Dark Knight trilogy idk what sort of story you will have with Doom losing in his own movie named after him with its logo having his colors.
You can have vastly different stories using the same structure in the same franchise back to back.
mikefightmaster2025-11-12 23:43
Most films follow this - as part of the [Hero’s Journey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey)
The midpoint of the film is usually the “All hope is lost” story beat - the hero is essentially defeated - or at their lowest point. But some sort of revelation leads to a rebirth (new information, new abilities, etc) and a new will - that will help defeat the antagonist.
Ancient-Living6352025-11-14 02:45
The difference is they just did it in their last tentpole movie
swashario2025-11-12 22:49
i suppose so but isn't this a very prototypical way to generally structure a plot? the bad guy wins at first to demonstrate strength/set the stakes/make things interesting, and then we get the scramble to the finish? many stories use this, doesn't make them all the same.
Poku1152025-11-12 22:58
Doomsday is already a pretty lazy attempt, par for the course
LucrativeLurker2025-11-12 23:04
I mean, if they’re following Hickman’s Secret Wars & doing God Emperor Doom, it really does need to end with Doom winning and an Incursion destroying the MCU as we know it.
EightBiscuit012025-11-13 01:04
It’s like when people say it’ll open with Doom killing Loki. Like they aren’t gonna do that twice
Any_Trouble_88942025-11-13 10:23
Will Spidey say 'I don't want to go Mr Doom" as he's being whisked away?
99percentmilktea2025-11-13 05:28
Doomsday will end with Doom winning and establishing battleworld. There is literally no way to do Secret Wars without that happening.
RevenantRoy2025-11-13 09:16
Agreed. I still suspect Secret Wars getting delayed a year to 2028 and then 2-3 movies or series taking place on Battleworld in 2027.
PhilosophyOk73852025-11-13 22:12
Doom doesn’t necessarily have to win to have that happen. Doom could be trying to stop the incursions for example. The avengers manage to stop him enough only to realise their mistake and the incursion in the main MCU happens. And then through some way doom saves the situation and creates battle world. That’s just one way we could have the battle world ending without it just being an infinity war ‘the bad guy wins’ ending repeat
99percentmilktea2025-11-13 22:44
I see your point, but God Emperor Doom must be the villain of any battleworld adaptation. If they have him lose in Part 1 they will run into the exact same issue they did with Kang where he loses all threat credbility.
I would also note that the original draft for Kang Dynasty ends with Kang winning ala Infinity War, so they are definitely not allergic to the idea of repeating themselves there.
HeadImpact2025-11-14 04:36
In a way, he *has to* lose for Battleworld to happen. His Plan A would presumably be to save Earth-828 and have it be the sole survivor of the collapse of the multiverse, by destroying the other world involved in their incursion (616) and being hailed as the saviour of the world. The 616 heroes obviously don't want that to happen, so they fight to stop him. Even the Fantastic 4 would probably prefer not to murder an entire universe to save their own, so they come to 616 to collaborate on mutually beneficial solutions and resist Doom's nuclear option.
It doesn't make Doom look weak if the best that the combined might of all those heroes can accomplish is to force a stalemate where everyone (except a few lifeboat passengers, maybe) loses, and he has to turn to Plan B: a patchwork world where he's God.
PhilosophyOk73852025-11-14 08:10
Yeah exactly this is what I’m thinking
epic_reddit_dude2025-11-13 07:12
I don’t really know any other way they CAN do it though
Single-Pianist-22112025-11-12 22:37
Nah, it’s not much of a doomsday if he loses
o-055-o2025-11-12 22:47
The Avengers and the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad Doomsday
Rising-Jay2025-11-13 00:34
Not much of an Age of Ultron when he lost but the title remains
Single-Pianist-22112025-11-13 04:05
That’s different and you know it….they’re not gonna scale back on a movie involving the multiverse at stake….it would be so lame
Flipsyde972025-11-13 00:57
Anthony Mackie already hinted doomsday ends with a cliffhanger 👀
Also it's pretty much clear doomsday will end with doom establishing MCU version of "battleworld" as emperor doom or something
The leaked secret wars concept art pointed to a battleworld setting for secret wars
latina18muse2025-11-13 02:29
Yeah, it’s kind of wild the time gaps they’re letting slide now, wonder why that is
Single-Pianist-22112025-11-13 04:07
What on earth do you think Secret Wars is about if Doom loses? 🤨
General_Boredom2025-11-13 04:23
Except that it will. Doomsday will obviously have to end with Doom successfully creating Battleworld or else there is no Secret Wars.
phluidity2025-11-13 16:47
Battleworld needs to be created, but it is not necessary for Doom to be the one to do it. They could also be mixing in the OG Secret Wars and bring in the Beyonder. There are lots of options.
Shattered_Sans2025-11-13 05:29
Eh, I think it'll be a situation where no one wins. The cliffhanger will be worlds colliding and being destroyed by incursions, post-credits scene will tease Doom becoming God Emperor Doom and creating Battleworld.
But I could see him losing to the heroes before all of that happens.
Riley__642025-11-12 22:46
I wouldn’t be surprised if they maybe give us a few films or shows set in the post doomsday world.
Marvel obviously saw a lot of people saying they wish they could’ve seen what happened during the blip so maybe they’ll decide to show us what happens after the villain wins rather than skipping all of that just to get the next movie.
By the end of doomsday a battleworld will be created and all the heroes will be unaware they’re in this battleworld and then secret wars has them destroying battleworld and resetting the multiverse and timeline for a reboot.
AceofKnaves442025-11-12 22:48
Reshoots are a completely normal part of the process. It’s when reshoots approach the length of Justice League or Cap 4 that it’s a sign something is really wrong.
codyh1ll2025-11-12 23:41
Justice League reshoots were because Zack lost his daughter and couldn’t continue and Whedon had to come in with a partially completed film and no input from the guy who created it, fairly hard to avoid extensive reshoots on that one
AceofKnaves442025-11-12 23:45
We all know the stories. But there was a bit more to it.
HrothgarTheIllegible2025-11-13 01:46
You forget that B v S was universally panned and rightfully so. While the directors cut of Justice League is actually decent, I imagine a world where he wasn’t allowed a do over, and the film was forced to have a 2hr runtime. We would have ended up with shiny slop whether Whedon was dragged in or not. Remember, Whedon was an attempt by WB to try to stop the bad press around the DCEU.
SpaceCaboose2025-11-13 02:10
True. As of now, nothing indicates a Cap 4 level reshoot for Doomsday. Likely just some pickups and tweaked stuff to help the story flow.
Single-Pianist-22112025-11-12 21:56
Gotta film more Thor and Loki scenes
imacatnamedsteve2025-11-12 22:03
Definitely can’t have too many of those ….. or second thought; just do a whole Loki and Thor movie
shust892025-11-12 22:01
Gotta bring the Queen back.
ImmaDoMahThing2025-11-12 22:08
I’m sure Secret Wars is when we’ll see her again.
Specialist-Chair3622025-11-12 22:48
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s as soon as Vision Quest.
ImmaDoMahThing2025-11-12 22:51
I’m trying not to get my hopes up 😭.
“Expect disappointment, so you won’t be disappointed” or whatever MJ said in NWH.
LnStrngr2025-11-12 23:14
Since Vision is having a philosophical dilemma, put Wanda in an angel Halloween costume on his one shoulder, and the above devil costume on the other.
belle_enfant2025-11-13 06:45
"Expect disappointment and you'll never be disappointed."
Valid every time, unless you're a Dallas Cowboys fan.
Nonadventures2025-11-12 22:12
Someone's gotta end the mutant menace
Any-Transition952025-11-12 22:33
or start it for the Mutant saga afterwards
LnStrngr2025-11-12 23:15
My theory since Wandavision is that the hex sent out a sort of magic radiation that encouraged the X gene to go hyper in people, like Monica.
Nonadventures2025-11-12 23:28
No, more mutants!
LnStrngr2025-11-12 23:41
Yes, my theory is that it caused more mutants to appear.
brianlefebvrejr2025-11-12 22:08
Who does Colin play?
Fishyhead812025-11-12 22:15
Ordained, an angry priest guy
MakinOutWithMarzipan2025-11-12 22:23
Bullseye
Nonadventures2025-11-12 22:12
Additional filming! That clearly means the movie is going to flop - just like Endgame, Rogue One, and the Avatar films!
nicolasb519420032025-11-12 22:13
No surprise. Reshoots always happen.
PayneTrain1819992025-11-12 23:49
But haven’t you heard, they’re filming without a script! It’s the end of the world!
Comic_Book_Reader2025-11-13 00:13
Marvel literally has them baked into the schedules.
Business_Barber_36112025-11-13 06:32
It's only a problem when the movie ends up being 'bad' and then suddenly the reshoots were a year long and cost $250mil even if legit sources say otherwise...
ThomasVivaldi2025-11-13 19:46
This is where they'll swap out RDJ for the real actor they're going to have portray Doom.
Dbfresh02025-11-15 01:54
I hope by the end of doomsday, at least one or two heroes die. We need some real stakes.
LittleCupcake24782025-11-15 10:56
This might get serious flak, but I think they should postpone *Secret Wars* until at least 2029. Another Thor story, another Captain America story, another Doctor Strange story, another Black Panther story, etc., to really fill in the sense of urgency and fracture of the multiverse, and how overwhelmed the individual heroes are, with the events of the saga leading to and after *Doomsday*.
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I’m mostly surprised by the gap between Doomsday and Secret Wars filming. Infinity War and Endgame only had a 2 week break between filming.
He will lose but tbe post-credits scene will tease Secret Wars, instead of leading right into it by the films cliffhanger.
Same thing happened in whole Dark Knight trilogy idk what sort of story you will have with Doom losing in his own movie named after him with its logo having his colors.
You can have vastly different stories using the same structure in the same franchise back to back.
The midpoint of the film is usually the “All hope is lost” story beat - the hero is essentially defeated - or at their lowest point. But some sort of revelation leads to a rebirth (new information, new abilities, etc) and a new will - that will help defeat the antagonist.
I would also note that the original draft for Kang Dynasty ends with Kang winning ala Infinity War, so they are definitely not allergic to the idea of repeating themselves there.
It doesn't make Doom look weak if the best that the combined might of all those heroes can accomplish is to force a stalemate where everyone (except a few lifeboat passengers, maybe) loses, and he has to turn to Plan B: a patchwork world where he's God.
Also it's pretty much clear doomsday will end with doom establishing MCU version of "battleworld" as emperor doom or something
The leaked secret wars concept art pointed to a battleworld setting for secret wars
But I could see him losing to the heroes before all of that happens.
Marvel obviously saw a lot of people saying they wish they could’ve seen what happened during the blip so maybe they’ll decide to show us what happens after the villain wins rather than skipping all of that just to get the next movie.
By the end of doomsday a battleworld will be created and all the heroes will be unaware they’re in this battleworld and then secret wars has them destroying battleworld and resetting the multiverse and timeline for a reboot.
Gotta bring the Queen back.
“Expect disappointment, so you won’t be disappointed” or whatever MJ said in NWH.
Valid every time, unless you're a Dallas Cowboys fan.