‘Spider-Man’ Director Jon Watts Says It’ll Be "Genuinely Weird" to Watch Tom Holland in ‘Brand New Day’: "It’s a passing of the torch and I’m curious to see where it goes."
>We (Destin Daniel Cretton) talked a little bit at the very, very beginning, but I’m very close to that franchise, so I just had to step back and let everyone do their job. It’s going to be genuinely weird for me going to see that movie for the first time. It’s going to be a really interesting feeling. It’s a passing of the torch and I’m curious to see where it goes.
FewWatermelonlesson02025-11-12 19:56
Hopefully Destin brings some more sauce to the action and swinging.
25803742025-11-12 20:23
If he brought his choreographer from Shang chi, it will have the juice
crazyguyunderthedesk2025-11-12 20:27
Apparently he also brought in Jackie Chan's stunt team, so I'm dying to see what they came up with.
Upbeat_Tension_80772025-11-12 20:45
Wait a minute, the same stunt team who worked with him on stuff like the Police Story films? If so, my hype for the action sequences increased tenfold
crazyguyunderthedesk2025-11-12 20:48
I just remember when it came out that Jackie Chan's stunt team was on set to help with the choreography. But no idea if the actual personnel were involved with Police Story considering it's 40 years old now.
Nonetheless, anybody who's earned Jackie's respect enough that he hired them is somebody I want working on a Spiderman flick.
CurryMustard2025-11-12 22:52
The Jackie Chan Stunt Team has been around since 1976 and is still active, same award winning team from Police Story. Im sure they hire and train new people regularly as stunts are usually a young man's game.
Lol those stunt teams are like fucking 60-80 years old now my guy.
SuperMajesticMan2025-11-12 22:46
Yes but they would still he good at coaching the choreography of a younger team.
CurryMustard2025-11-12 22:52
The Jackie Chan Stunt Team has been around since 1976 and is still active, same award winning team from Police Story. Im sure they hire and train new people regularly as stunts are usually a young man's game.
The late Brad Allen was a big member of the Jackie Chan Stunt team and was a major part of Shang Chi. plus Andy Cheng also coordinated a bunch of the fights in Shang Chi and was a member of the Jackie Chan stunt team too. Big lineage of incredible fight choreographers on that movie.
Impressive-Potato2025-11-12 23:27
No, that's generations ago. Peng Zhang was on the stunt team and he was one of the fight coordinators on Shang Chi.
dannyisyoda2025-11-12 21:50
That's the same team they were talking about, Jackie Chan's stunt team worked on Shang Chi.
crazyguyunderthedesk2025-11-12 22:11
Oh right on! Loved Shang Chi so that's quite promising
accidental_tourist2025-11-13 11:42
So that's why it felt familiar
Impressive-Potato2025-11-12 23:26
Partially true. Peng Zheng was a fight coordinator on Shang Chi and hes action directing the action on Spidey. He was part of the JCST
AttackonCuttlefish2025-11-12 23:21
Any chance we can see Shang Chi in Brand New Day?
25803742025-11-13 20:15
Doubt it, but Tom and simu would probably be awesome together
cabbageboy782025-11-12 20:30
I’m sure it will be just due to what everyone else said with the choreography AND the fact that up until this point he hasn’t really needed to do the proper web swinging due to his crazy suits. A more barebones Spider-Man should mean well be seeing some of them crazy aerial acrobatics again
ZekeorSomething2025-11-12 20:31
Im curious if he’ll stick around for any future Spider-Man films after BND.
Any-Transition952025-11-12 21:51
If BND is a success critically and financially, 100%.
SpaceCaboose2025-11-12 21:14
The BTS stuff from them shooting in Edinburgh shows they were doing some practical swinging (something Watts never did), so I’m hoping that turns out well.
Any-Transition952025-11-12 21:54
With how well choreographed Shang Chi was, I'm definitely optimistic. The move was good in spite of its CGI-fest ending.
SpaceCaboose2025-11-12 22:04
Agreed. The first two acts of Shang-Chi were top tier. The final act was a letdown.
Worthyness2025-11-12 23:09
I just watch the last fight as a gigantic anime fight scene and it works for me.
27Rench272025-11-13 04:44
Was gonna say, it wasn’t really a letdown for me either, just different from earlier in the film but it still fucked
BarackaFlockaFlame2025-11-12 22:23
the ending felt ripped out of an anime lol
ParkerPeter1233444442025-11-13 17:42
Let him him cook this recipe because we have savage hulk returning and punisher.
Shadowskulptor2025-11-12 20:01
I'm honestly so happy Jon Watts is done. While his movies were *fine*, Spider-man live action needs a major infusion of style and real vision. I believe Destin Daniel Cretton will bring that back.
matty_nice2025-11-12 20:06
Dang. I thought his films were great and incredibly creative. All three films were massive successes.
I'd put all three Spider-Man films over Shang-Chi.
I'm pessimistic about the new Spider-Man. Seems like they are doing a lot, which rarely works.
crazyguyunderthedesk2025-11-12 20:33
Don't get me wrong, I love all 3, but I feel like Homecoming was the only one where his direction really made it work.
As much as I love NWH, I do feel like the gimmick of bringing in alt Spider-Men could have worked with many directors. It's just such an inherently cool idea.
But homecoming really had that teen vibe that fans had wanted for years. I'd always felt like John Hughes would have made a great flick, and Watts brought that energy to the flick so incredibly well.
I loved Shang Chi so I can't wait for BND, but I'm consciously choosing not to guess what it'll really be about. With so many characters I'm sure many will be very very brief cameos, and speculating on what they'll do will most likely get hopes up that they'll all have some huge part to play.
OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-12 20:54
I think the common opinion is that people hope they do NOT play a huge role. Not that they do play one.
crazyguyunderthedesk2025-11-12 21:20
My problem is that I'll cherry pick the character I like most and then create my own head canon of what the movie will be with that character being prominent.
Can't speak to what others want/expect, but that's why I try to avoid over speculating.
OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-12 21:32
Haha that would be daredevil for me and we already know he ain’t in the movie
matty_nice2025-11-12 23:37
I think even Far From Home as brillant. Taking the idea of Mysterio being a quasi new mentor was great. It's easy to get a little cynical as a comic fan, but I saw the film with my girlfriend who was excited when Gyllenhaal came on the screen and thought he was seriously gonna be a hero.
crazyguyunderthedesk2025-11-12 23:40
That's the one flick I wish I could've seen without being a spiderman fan already.
There's nothing they could do to convince me that Mysterio wasn't gonna turn bad, lying is his whole thing. Definitely jealous of your girlfriend.
cabbageboy782025-11-12 20:38
At least in this case the “a lot” is things that have already been pretty well established even to people who just like Spider-Man. It’s not like Spider-Man 3 or ASM2 where they’re like here’s a whole buncha new things that we need to flesh out in an hour and half lol
Im_At_Work_Damnit2025-11-12 20:51
Yeah, the Sony formula of putting several stories worth of characters into a single movie.
BartleBossy2025-11-12 21:16
> Dang. I thought his films were great and incredibly creative. All three films were massive successes.
Still can’t believe they are letting someone like that direct a spiderman movie…
His initials are DC. He’s clearly a spy attempting to destroy Spider-Man from the inside.
Like the hate-monger.
OdysseusAuroa2025-11-13 00:31
Aiyon2025-11-13 14:33
Actually his initials are [DD. C.](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fen1o_T6gxI)
Commercial_Site6222025-11-12 20:06
I like Jon a lot, but Dustin can bring a lot more. Hopefully Jons working on Skeleton Crew season 2!
SuccessMiserable39632025-11-12 20:35
What like a mediocre plot which turns into a cgi shit show by the end?
AntonineWall2025-11-12 20:40
Skeleton Crew was a lot of fun 🙂
Check it out if you haven’t yet. I was surprised with how much I liked it. It’s definitely got a bit of “kid show energy” but I found it enjoyable!
Practical-Level-62652025-11-12 20:43
I don’t remember Just Mercy having that…
darthjoey912025-11-12 20:51
I don't think that's getting a season 2. The story's told. It'd be like making Treasure Island 2.
Levonorgestrelfairy12025-11-12 23:58
There's an entire story sitting there about the first order going after a treasure planet to explain how they bankrolled themselves in the ST
dasaniAKON2025-11-12 20:56
Space Goonies was pretty good. Hope for a S2.
BiddyKing2025-11-13 11:32
Skeleton Crew convinced me that Watts should do a Star Wars film. Same with Bryce Dallas Howard. Instead of Shawn Levy and (the magnitudinally worse) Simon Kinberg
Ragnarok_6192025-11-12 20:07
Am I the only one who liked Jon's trilogy and his vision?
LesterGrossman_2025-11-12 20:12
Yeah you’re the only one who likes this trilogy, the same one that made 4 billion dollars and received universal acclaim
Ragnarok_6192025-11-12 20:15
Then why does this sub and Spider-Man subreddit almost hates it? I adore Homecoming, one of my comfort movies
Richmond432025-11-12 20:23
Because it’s Reddit
ZekeorSomething2025-11-12 20:28
From my understanding it’s because of these reasons. 1. The portrayals of Ned, Flash, and MJ making them in name only versions of the characters. 2. The team ups Peter has with Iron-Man, Fury, and Strange since people want him to be on his own and 3. Peter being “Iron-Man Jr” due to him relying so much on Tony. I personally like the movies too so I don’t really have a problem with any of these three things.
SuccessMiserable39632025-11-12 20:37
The junior ironman was a drag. The third movie was also a little too bleak. Why kill hot aunt may?!
BartleBossy2025-11-12 21:13
> The third movie was also a little too bleak. Why kill hot aunt may?!
Fridging aunt may, after giving the fans a whole "We dont need to see the origin story over and over again" at the start of the Holland era was such a stupid move.
The worst part was I could tell thats exactly where they were going after the character who ostensibly learned to be more distrusting in the previous film invited a bunch of villains to his aunts place. *Bruh*.
pizzaporker12025-11-12 20:58
Can you also add: those movies were basically Miles story too lol
ZekeorSomething2025-11-12 20:58
lol true with Ned pretty much just being Ganke
Live_Angle46212025-11-12 23:30
The other criticism I get but not wanting him be alone. Spider-Man had 5 movies with him alone. Why not use the cinematic universe. He has plenty of interaction with other Marvel characters in comics too
BiddyKing2025-11-13 11:44
I like the movies but I still absolutely take issue with him being little Iron Man Jr. lol. Extremely frustrating facet of these films for me but I can overlook it because they’re still good movies. I also think MJ needs to dye her hair red in at least one of these especially since we’ve seen Zendaya pull it off super well
CaptHayfever2025-11-12 20:34
Negative people typically have more to say than positive people do.
Antrikshy2025-11-12 20:34
popular = must be hated
on Reddit.
FewWatermelonlesson02025-11-12 20:35
Nobody said they hate them here, his movies just very lacking in the visuals and action. I’m hoping the new director can better deliver on that front.
I’m also excited to see Spidey back at street level.
Ragnarok_6192025-11-12 20:41
Please do visit the Spider-Man subreddit and the posts about Far From Home and anything MCU related. They literally trash on them, while saying TASM 2 is a 10/10 masterpiece. And no, they aren't joking. Its a popular opinion there that TASM 2 > FFH
OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-12 20:42
wacky
Ragnarok_6192025-11-12 20:43
It's either shitting on MCU spidey or gooning on self insert fantasies. That sub is... interesting you can say
FewWatermelonlesson02025-11-12 20:43
I can see why they don’t like FFH since it has a lot of the Iron Boy Jr stuff a lot of fans dislike. But we’re talking about here. The action scenes and visuals are also better done there, tbh.
Like I said, I don’t hate the Watts movies, I just thought they could be much better. As is they’re perfectly fine.
ZekeorSomething2025-11-12 20:50
Most of those people probably hated TASM 2 before but then when NWH came out started praising it and are now the ones begging Sony to release TASM 3.
Baelorn2025-11-12 21:09
I can’t imagine liking the TASM movies outside of Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man. I loathed those movies when they came out
deadlyghost1232025-11-12 20:47
I would say all the Mysterio scenes and fights have better visuals than both Raimi and Andrew’s movies
FewWatermelonlesson02025-11-12 20:51
Yeah I certainly wouldn’t.
deadlyghost1232025-11-12 20:59
Ah! It’s the old agree to disagree again
BartleBossy2025-11-12 21:14
Which Raimi era visuals do you find the most impressive?
FewWatermelonlesson02025-11-12 21:19
Just about every level. Shot composition, color grading, production design, sets, lighting… they’re all miles ahead.
Watts is more of a journeyman director, which isn’t bad, he just doesn’t have a strong sense of visual identity or craftsmanship. He’s more of a point and shoot guy like the Russos.
The-student-2025-11-12 20:44
Niche online subreddits are always going to be the most critical. Pretty near every MCU ranking lists the Spider man movies near the top.
Dell0c02025-11-12 20:47
Homecoming would have been the prefect movie if it weren't for the large error in the very beginning of the movie. Still confused on how '8 years later' even made it in the final print.
ryanandhobbes2025-11-12 21:06
Dude truly what are you talking about, they are like universally beloved, acclaimed, have nearly flawless reviews, and made billions. What about those movies are you assessing as "nobody likes these?"
Meyu_Sys2025-11-12 21:18
Die hard fans will hate anything that is not exactly the same as it was when they were kids.
Live_Angle46212025-11-12 23:28
Because there are more comic readers here than elsewhere
BiddyKing2025-11-13 11:40
Many Spidey fans dislike that Spider-Man essentially became Iron Man’s bitch, which he never was in the comics. And then even once Stark is gone he still has to deal with Stark shit. There are many other issues but this was a major one. That said, by the end of No Way Home the slate has been cleared with Spider-Man finally having his origin story complete, ridding himself of the Stark shit in his suit, and no longer a benefactor of the Stark inheritance (ie. Stark’s tech he used to help save the day in No Way Home). So fans who dislike the original trilogy are at least optimistic about this new film being set in the context that’s closer the version of comics Spidey they know.
Now fingers crossed that none of the Marvel cameos in this next film ‘Lil Bro’ him like Stark did and he can finally be his own hero
LosLocoDK2025-11-12 20:13
The box office would suggest: no
TreyAdell2025-11-12 20:14
They’re perfectly acceptable movies for the most part. But to me that was the frustration. I wanted someone to make another Spider-Man classic. Getting “just okay” movies felt like a tease.
Ragnarok_6192025-11-12 20:30
Spider-Man classics like TASM 2 and Spider-Man 3, that these subreddits unironically like?
TreyAdell2025-11-12 20:31
I don’t unironically like either of those movies. I’m talking about the first two Raimi movies. I don’t exactly hate Spider-Man 3 and there’s stuff I like about the Garfield movies but Raimis first two are still the gold standard for Superhero movies personally and I would love to have that feeling again watching a Spidey movie.
crazyguyunderthedesk2025-11-12 20:36
It was all I wanted at that point. The Sam Raimi flicks never quite captured the Spider-Man I know and love, but they largely avoided that criticism because well, Sam Raimi is just so damn good as making delightfully weird movies.
But by the time Homecoming came along, I just wanted the character I'd known and loved for decades to show up on screen, and Watts absolutely nailed the assignment.
TreyAdell2025-11-12 20:38
To each their own for sure and I’m glad you got great movies but damn I’m kinda confused on Raimi’s Spidey not being a perfect Spider-Man?
Ragnarok_6192025-11-12 20:42
Felt more like superman wearing spidey costume.
TreyAdell2025-11-12 20:52
Don’t get that at all, he made the definitive Peter Parker. The guy who keeps messing up constantly and constantly but also just keeps his head up every time and goes out and to be a hero is Peter Parker.
Ragnarok_6192025-11-12 20:56
That was Clark Kent to a tee. Peter was never this diminutive nerd in the comics. He has always been a hothead, and a passionate geek, who also never hesitates to show his mean side.
crazyguyunderthedesk2025-11-12 20:42
From reading the comics, Tom Holland was just exactly what I'd always had in my head as spiderman.
Raimi's Spiderman was kinda too nerdy in the opposite way that Andrew Garfield's was too cool.
But this is all my own 2 cents, if Toby is what spiderman is to you, then that's friggin awesome. There were no untalented people working on those movies, and whether or not it's "my" spiderman, I love them to death.
Upbeat_Tension_80772025-11-12 20:48
For me, I felt like Tobey captured the Peter Parker side of Spider-Man very well, Andrew was perfect at playing Spider-Man's fierce fighting side, and Tom's been solid so far at balancing both.
Homecoming is actually my 2nd favorite out of all the Spider-Man live action films (behind Raimi's Spider-Man 2) because it gave me the vibe of a 1980s/90s coming of age film with the exterior of Spiderman
ToeAble11452025-11-12 23:27
I disagree, I think hollands is the most watered down version where he doesn’t really excel at either side of the portrayal. He peaked in civil war and has been mid ever since. It’s less his acting and more the writing tho. I’m not into this more marty mcfly/ morty type charcterization. The original 60s comics version of Peter was way more similar to Garfield’s where he could be an asshole and slightly vindictive. I found to be a more nuanced take on the character.
Ragnarok_6192025-11-12 20:42
Same here. I was 16 when Homecoming released, so i related to it pretty much instantly. Plus, he actually looked like a high school kid.
PoolPartyWithoutTheL2025-11-12 20:29
(https://imgflip.com/i/abxdhb)
Ragnarok_6192025-11-12 20:30
I needed that
Starfleeter2025-11-12 21:37
People aren't saying they disklike it here. They're saying they are excited for something new and different for the character. No idea where you developed an opinion that the majority dislike these movies based on the comments in this thread.
vroart2025-11-12 20:33
Is that a photo from “clown?”
xRyuzakii2025-11-12 20:46
Thought the same thing lol
vroart2025-11-12 20:49
It’s like Spielberg is talking about Tom hanks and they insert 1941 John belushi
Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-12 20:33
He did amazing with the Home trilogy. But Daniel is going to be on a whole new level
OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-12 20:54
The Day trilogy will be tight
Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-12 20:57
it would be spectacular and ultimate
AvatarGarcher2025-11-12 21:02
Say that again.
Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-12 21:09
It's spectacular and ultimate
Gyanchooo2025-11-12 21:16
I DIDN'T HEAR YOU
Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-12 21:28
SPECTACULAR and Ultimate
OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-12 21:30
Oooooooooooooh
Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-12 21:31
ZekeorSomething2025-11-12 22:30
cleantoe2025-11-12 21:58
It might even be Web Of!
Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-12 22:09
Thwip off
HandsomeSquidward982025-11-12 20:34
They were some of the better MCU movies, but for me they come nowhere close to the first 2 raimi movies. Can't top that Fight at the end of Spiderman (2002)
deadlyghost1232025-11-12 20:49
The Mysterio fight tops it for me
HandsomeSquidward982025-11-12 21:29
I love what they did with mysterio. They got creative with it and it's one of the highlights of the last trilogy.
OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-12 20:55
Spiderman 2002 over homecoming???
HandsomeSquidward982025-11-12 21:28
Definitely. Honestly I think homecoming is the weakest. Besides the last 20 mins it kinda bored me.
OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-12 21:31
Oh wow. I think it’s by far the best spiderman movie and only spiderman 2 and into the verse are in its league
HandsomeSquidward982025-11-12 21:34
Yeah, I just don't see vulture as a fun villain. Good starter villain, but even with keaton in the role it didn't gel with me. He at least had a pretty cool design. OG vulture design is goofy as hell. Still, I don't think there's been a morr brutal live action spiderman fight than the end of the 2002 movie. Willem Dafoe can't really be topped imo. He's my favourite actor. Glad you loved homecoming though. Far better than TASM 2 that's for sure lol
CaptHayfever2025-11-12 20:35
I'll bet it's exciting for him to get to be surprised by a Spider-Man movie for the first time in a while.
xRyuzakii2025-11-12 20:46
Is that a picture of clown in the image? Lol
JouluPam2025-11-12 23:14
His first (or atleast one of the first) movie was called "Clown". Pretty solid horror movie with some deliciously dark humor.
xRyuzakii2025-11-12 23:44
Yeah that movie rocks
DC_deep_state2025-11-12 22:12
Jon Watts was such a vanilla director, no way home and parts of homecoming were cool but his trilogy left me wanting
AdmiralCharleston2025-11-12 22:15
Yeah it's gonna be crazy for him to see an mcu spider man film with good cinematography
MoistTubes2025-11-12 22:26
I love "Clown".
spectralconfetti2025-11-13 00:08
I'm looking forward to seeing the change. Not a criticism of Jon Watts, but with this being a new start for the character it needs to feel different
KingCodester1112025-11-13 01:54
I’m very glad Jon isn’t directing this. The home trilogy is extremely overrated and does so much poorly.
Puzzleheaded-Cod69342025-11-13 11:46
I’m glad he’s out honestly. I’ve never personally liked tom as spider man or those movies. I think it’s a flaw of writing/directing and that tom will have a chance to really shine under someone else
Aromatic-Cupcake48022025-11-13 12:38
Jon Watts: practical webslinging looks 'dumb' and 'boring', 'like a monkey swinging on a vine'
Destin Daniel Cretton: you were saying?
T0ADcmig2025-11-13 19:42
Why add Tom Holland tobthe title. Has nothing to do with the actor but between the directors.
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>We (Destin Daniel Cretton) talked a little bit at the very, very beginning, but I’m very close to that franchise, so I just had to step back and let everyone do their job. It’s going to be genuinely weird for me going to see that movie for the first time. It’s going to be a really interesting feeling. It’s a passing of the torch and I’m curious to see where it goes.
Nonetheless, anybody who's earned Jackie's respect enough that he hired them is somebody I want working on a Spiderman flick.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Chan_Stunt_Team
There's a section for members, past and present
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Chan_Stunt_Team
I'd put all three Spider-Man films over Shang-Chi.
I'm pessimistic about the new Spider-Man. Seems like they are doing a lot, which rarely works.
As much as I love NWH, I do feel like the gimmick of bringing in alt Spider-Men could have worked with many directors. It's just such an inherently cool idea.
But homecoming really had that teen vibe that fans had wanted for years. I'd always felt like John Hughes would have made a great flick, and Watts brought that energy to the flick so incredibly well.
I loved Shang Chi so I can't wait for BND, but I'm consciously choosing not to guess what it'll really be about. With so many characters I'm sure many will be very very brief cameos, and speculating on what they'll do will most likely get hopes up that they'll all have some huge part to play.
Can't speak to what others want/expect, but that's why I try to avoid over speculating.
There's nothing they could do to convince me that Mysterio wasn't gonna turn bad, lying is his whole thing. Definitely jealous of your girlfriend.
I thought that about the first 2.
FFH was very weak fan service.
[Ohhhh, 'member Tobey Maguire"](https://i.redd.it/vvcrqoikd24b1.jpg)
His initials are DC. He’s clearly a spy attempting to destroy Spider-Man from the inside.
Like the hate-monger.
Check it out if you haven’t yet. I was surprised with how much I liked it. It’s definitely got a bit of “kid show energy” but I found it enjoyable!
Fridging aunt may, after giving the fans a whole "We dont need to see the origin story over and over again" at the start of the Holland era was such a stupid move.
The worst part was I could tell thats exactly where they were going after the character who ostensibly learned to be more distrusting in the previous film invited a bunch of villains to his aunts place. *Bruh*.
on Reddit.
I’m also excited to see Spidey back at street level.
Like I said, I don’t hate the Watts movies, I just thought they could be much better. As is they’re perfectly fine.
Watts is more of a journeyman director, which isn’t bad, he just doesn’t have a strong sense of visual identity or craftsmanship. He’s more of a point and shoot guy like the Russos.
Now fingers crossed that none of the Marvel cameos in this next film ‘Lil Bro’ him like Stark did and he can finally be his own hero
But by the time Homecoming came along, I just wanted the character I'd known and loved for decades to show up on screen, and Watts absolutely nailed the assignment.
Raimi's Spiderman was kinda too nerdy in the opposite way that Andrew Garfield's was too cool.
But this is all my own 2 cents, if Toby is what spiderman is to you, then that's friggin awesome. There were no untalented people working on those movies, and whether or not it's "my" spiderman, I love them to death.
Homecoming is actually my 2nd favorite out of all the Spider-Man live action films (behind Raimi's Spider-Man 2) because it gave me the vibe of a 1980s/90s coming of age film with the exterior of Spiderman
Destin Daniel Cretton: you were saying?