I'm happy so many people loved it so much. I thought the movie was good (don't think I'll be rewatching it for a long time but still) and this is definitely the beast team we've had....but I hated the post credit scene. I understand they were filming Doomsday but man, I just hate how they showed Doctor Doom. The cloak and the mask looked so unbelievably cheap and worse than a cosplay and the fact that RDJ was actually there and they didn't show his face was strange. I mean I wasn't really expecting to see his face but its weird they would get him and not show him off. Plus it didn't lead into the Thunderbolts* post credit scene at all.
But until the credits rolled, I really enjoyed this one.
eBICgamer20102025-11-12 14:14
The flaw to me is that the film doesn't justify **skipping** the origin story.
The fame itself is told, stuff happened, but very little of it felt earned as opposed to Thunderbolts, whose fame was even questioned in-universe, even long after they saved Sentry and the people usurped by the Void.
I mean, in the context of Avengers, the New Avengers didn't seem that good, so the skepticism is real and it really paints them differently from the OG. Avengers stopped the first recorded alien invasion. New Avengers did something to clear a man-made disaster which seems way smaller in scope and scale.
I know, this is an *unpopular opinion* because I'm not American. I'm Asian. The Fantastic Four isn't that famous around the world, as Ted Gilbert told you. We don't have Fantastic Four comic because it isn't widely available, and Marvel's self-sabotaging attempt in the late 2010s didn't help either.
If people had problem with Uncle Ben being omitted from Spider-Man's story, and Spider-Man is already the most famous superhero bar none, it's clear doing away with the origin of lesser-known heroes would be a big problem.
But you wouldn't randomly bump into local review sites so you wouldn't know why some of us felt it this way.
delcolicks92025-11-12 15:22
they figured most had or would go see the 2005 movie first. And it really does eat it into the story some, if it had an origin that's 40mins at least and then it'd be pretty rushed as far as establishing, making dynamics getting over introductions, the plot of the 1st space mission, making the ftl engine, making the 2nd one to go see galactus feel repetitive etc. in a pretty short movie to begin with. and that 2005 it did nail the origin cosmic ray thing, and how they get the powers hasn't really ever mattered much and is the least concise thing. Super soldier serum has a long consistent history, gamma, spider-bite, mutant gene, arc reactor, asgard, f4 has always been "idk space shit" (paraphrasing)
eBICgamer20102025-11-12 15:40
I think part of it is also missing. It's missing Reed's guilt, or to be more specific, his guilt for putting the team into that position. No offense to Pedro, he nailed the guilt of putting Franklin into this world, but he didn't have the chance to nail what came before.
Why did they come to be heroes? I remembered reading some book (think it was Marvel Knight 4?) and part of the reason was because Reed was afraid. He took their normal lives away. Even in parallel lives he took their lives away with one calculated mistake and felt guilty because of it (thanks Deniz Camp's Ultimates).
Doom as Reed didn't have a chance to compensate. Normal Reed compensated by making them celebrities. So they don't have to fear that people will fear them. Who would fear someone as ludicrous as Mr. Fantastic?
CootahBrown2025-11-12 14:26
No Doom. Other than that, I got nothing.
Eric-HipHopple2025-11-12 15:02
A meme graphic about not finding flaws in a movie has itself a flaw (typo) in it.
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thatstupidthing2025-11-12 15:41
my biggest gripe was the same problem i had with superman.
both movies feel like i walked in late after missing the first 20 minutes.
they are both well established worlds, that the audience gets plunked down into and has to fill in the gaps with minimal exposition using their knowledge from previous material that these movies are rebooting themselves from.
bringing mole man back for that bit at the end makes ff seem a bit more egregious because it now feels like this movie is a sequel to an original that we didn't get to see..
rehashing the origin story, and making that original film is an obvious solution, but not a good one. everyone is talking about superhero fatigue, and audiences are getting sick of rehashing things over and over with every reboot (how many times do we need to see thomas and martha (^why ^did ^you ^say ^that ^name!) wayne being murdered on screen)
but ff and superman prove that the opposite doesn't necessarily work either. maybe there is a happy middle ground, like when black panther was introduced in civil war. he had an arc that was a bit of an origin story, and then could have hit the ground running in his solo film (they chose to go another route, but whatever)
they could have tried the same with the ff. we know they will be crossing over into the main mcu timeline from the thunderbolts. maybe that should have been their introduction, as visitors in someone else's movie (like spiderman and black panther) then they could have gone back to their timeline for a solo picture after the audience is familiar with the characters and their world...
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But until the credits rolled, I really enjoyed this one.
The fame itself is told, stuff happened, but very little of it felt earned as opposed to Thunderbolts, whose fame was even questioned in-universe, even long after they saved Sentry and the people usurped by the Void.
I mean, in the context of Avengers, the New Avengers didn't seem that good, so the skepticism is real and it really paints them differently from the OG. Avengers stopped the first recorded alien invasion. New Avengers did something to clear a man-made disaster which seems way smaller in scope and scale.
I know, this is an *unpopular opinion* because I'm not American. I'm Asian. The Fantastic Four isn't that famous around the world, as Ted Gilbert told you. We don't have Fantastic Four comic because it isn't widely available, and Marvel's self-sabotaging attempt in the late 2010s didn't help either.
If people had problem with Uncle Ben being omitted from Spider-Man's story, and Spider-Man is already the most famous superhero bar none, it's clear doing away with the origin of lesser-known heroes would be a big problem.
But you wouldn't randomly bump into local review sites so you wouldn't know why some of us felt it this way.
Why did they come to be heroes? I remembered reading some book (think it was Marvel Knight 4?) and part of the reason was because Reed was afraid. He took their normal lives away. Even in parallel lives he took their lives away with one calculated mistake and felt guilty because of it (thanks Deniz Camp's Ultimates).
Doom as Reed didn't have a chance to compensate. Normal Reed compensated by making them celebrities. So they don't have to fear that people will fear them. Who would fear someone as ludicrous as Mr. Fantastic?
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both movies feel like i walked in late after missing the first 20 minutes.
they are both well established worlds, that the audience gets plunked down into and has to fill in the gaps with minimal exposition using their knowledge from previous material that these movies are rebooting themselves from.
bringing mole man back for that bit at the end makes ff seem a bit more egregious because it now feels like this movie is a sequel to an original that we didn't get to see..
rehashing the origin story, and making that original film is an obvious solution, but not a good one. everyone is talking about superhero fatigue, and audiences are getting sick of rehashing things over and over with every reboot (how many times do we need to see thomas and martha (^why ^did ^you ^say ^that ^name!) wayne being murdered on screen)
but ff and superman prove that the opposite doesn't necessarily work either. maybe there is a happy middle ground, like when black panther was introduced in civil war. he had an arc that was a bit of an origin story, and then could have hit the ground running in his solo film (they chose to go another route, but whatever)
they could have tried the same with the ff. we know they will be crossing over into the main mcu timeline from the thunderbolts. maybe that should have been their introduction, as visitors in someone else's movie (like spiderman and black panther) then they could have gone back to their timeline for a solo picture after the audience is familiar with the characters and their world...