Think about it, If Hella can break Odin's spell (Ragnarok), then her powers would work at the TVA

Think about it for a second. Loki is a front giant. When Odin adopted him, he used his spell to make him into an Asgardian. During the LOKI series, when Loki comes to the TVA (where powers don't work) he doesnt turn into the blue front giant.

If the same logic prevails, as seen in Thor: Ragnarok, Hella was able to stop **Mjolnir** (breaking Odin's spell); she should be able to stand up to the TVA!

And if u dig deeper, there's a lot of loopholes discoverable within the franchise!!

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Jtwil21912025-11-11 16:55

She doesn't hold mjolnir, she stops it. Those are not the same thing.

npj23092025-11-11 16:59

thanks for saying, i changed it!

dbkenny4262025-11-11 16:56

She didn't hold Mjolnir, though. She just stopped it. It was still trying to move under the momentum of Thor's throw, and Hela was able to overcome that and keep it steady, but she wasn't actively wielding it, which is what the enchantment is about.

npj23092025-11-11 17:00

thanks for saying, i changed it! so was my assumption right regarding her stand-up at the TVA

dbkenny4262025-11-11 17:06

Well, she didn't break the enchantment, for one thing. She just sort of overpowered it, but the enchantment is still on the hammer.

As to whether or not she could take on the TVA, I honestly doubt it. Magic doesn't work there. And Loki not turning blue wasn't anything to indicate otherwise, as he also didn't turn blue when he died in Infinity War. I think it's just something the powers that be at Marvel just didn't bother carrying on with the character.

npj23092025-11-11 17:10

"...that be at Marvel just didn't bother carrying on with the character."

And there's where these loopholes are being created.....gotcha

Academic_Composer9042025-11-11 17:45

That is not a loophole or a “gotcha”. In the process of world building on this scale, the creators are going to run into things that have yet to be explained or are contradictory that they will need to either explain eventually on screen, or they’ll just let us live with our headcanons. Just because something isn’t explicitly explained on screen, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have an explanation.

TechnologyDeep99812025-11-11 17:25

It was her hammer before Odin gave it to Thor, and out his spell of worthiness on it

dbkenny4262025-11-11 17:26

Yep. But the enchantment would still apply to her. She's not worthy of wielding it, but she's strong enough to overcome it.

TechnologyDeep99812025-11-11 17:30

But the other contradiction comes in Dark World when Odin tells Loki that Asgardians are not gods, just very long-lived powerful beings. Then Loki becomes an actual God at the end of his Series

dbkenny4262025-11-11 17:32

Does he become a god, though, or just incredibly powerful?

And even if he does... I'm honestly not sure what point you're trying to make.

TechnologyDeep99812025-11-11 18:05

Depends on what your definition, or the MCU writers', of a God is.

Academic_Composer9042025-11-12 06:50

That’s not a contradiction. They are not immortal gods. Loki has gained an enormous amount of his power through his experiences at the TVA, but there is still no evidence that he is immortal or truly a God. Hopefully we will have that explained in doomsday, but as of right now, Odin’s statement is correct. Even if it is shown in the future that Loki has become a “God“, he was not when Odin made the statement.

tomato_johnson2025-11-11 17:04

Lokis ability to appear Asgardian works in the TVA

I think its specific things that are stopped

Academic_Composer9042025-11-11 17:29

I think the enchantment to make Loki appear Asgardian is one that requires something active to break/nullify it. He either had to come in contact with a frost giant or the casket, otherwise the enchantment appears to be permanent. Given similar circumstances to Loki’s, no, I don’t think Hela would stand a chance against the TVA.

That said, I think almost any of our heroes has a chance against them if they know what’s coming like Deadpool did in DP&W. If Loki had had any idea what the TVA was capable of when he first met them, he would’ve approached them much differently (probably using magic first instead of force), and could’ve at the very least avoided capture. Both Sylvie and Deadpool demonstrated that the TVA is fairly easy to beat if you know their tactics.

evapotranspire2025-11-11 18:08

I think Odin's spell on Loki was pretty much permanent. It's like, if you cast a spell of fire, and the fire burns down a building, and then you enforce prohibition on magic, the building is still burned down.

It's interesting that you can see hints of Loki's heritage when he comes into contact with Jotun artifacts, but he doesn't fully transform back into a frost giant – he just gets a tinge of blue. So I think we can infer that that is his permanent state: Asgardian in biology, able to be slightly influenced by Jotun artifacts, no further magic required.

Defiant_Wheel48882025-11-12 02:32

Hela’s powers would likely be weakened in the TVA, just like Loki’s. The TVA exists outside time and space and has a field that blocks all magic and special abilities. Hela’s strength comes from Asgard’s mystical energy the closer she is to Asgard, the stronger she becomes. After Asgard was destroyed, she lost that power source, which led to her defeat. Even though she was powerful enough to break Mjolnir, her abilities depend on Asgard’s magic. Since the TVA cancels all outside powers, her magic would probably not work there.

Defiant_Wheel48882025-11-12 02:40

And if u dig deeper, there's a lot of loopholes discoverable within the franchise!!

ok explain them let me see i can handle. yes there is possible for loophole but i have doubt since based one question you gave has a solution and i feel your other question might have answer as well

Dell0c02025-11-12 15:52

Mjolnir was once enchanted to her. She didn't break anything.

juances192025-11-13 12:58

The TVA prevents new spells from being casted but doesn't cancel active effects. That would explain why Loki does not revert to a frost giant.

chiefbrody622025-11-19 07:20

She didn't break Odin's spell, Odin just foolishly had it set that it would end when he died.