No one that was the fucking point of that scene, did you not pay attention?
Starforge172025-11-09 20:52
I figure the tables will turn for one of them eventually
Steel_Serpent_Davos2025-11-09 20:53
Except the literal point was unstoppable force meets immovable object…….
CohlN2025-11-09 20:57
unless someone tips the scales…
even the strongest can fall to someone weaker, like in multiverse of madness when wong threw a rock at wanda and broke her spleen
Steel_Serpent_Davos2025-11-09 20:59
Ok but that’s not what the guy was asking? He was asking which one of these two win given enough time. I didn’t take that question to include force majeure.
CohlN2025-11-09 21:02
fair enough, i just wanted a chance to sneak in wong’s crazy rock throw
NorskKiwi2025-11-09 21:08
Beautiful
EEDDDWWWAARRRD2025-11-09 20:49
Icarus is visibly damaged. He might be strong enough to hold her back but he's clearly not doing any damage. He will eventually fizzle out in the skies just like his namesake.
Available_Hurry2932025-11-09 21:06
So is Carol it seems like, looks like dmg to the hips
DiamondDepth_YT2025-11-09 22:40
I think he looks far more damaged than he actually is thanks to his organic material being infected but not his actual self
rexepic75672025-11-09 20:49
I know who won't be
Kate bishop
TheRealPetross2025-11-09 20:54
ket beeeeeeshop
IkeaBreads2025-11-09 21:00
I made macaroni.
Stride3452025-11-09 21:10
Yeah I know what box Mac n cheese tastes like. I know it’s delicious
PayneTrain1819992025-11-09 21:12
“Fork, forks… no… you have one fork?!”
cheezyfilms2025-11-09 21:21
I'm one person.
PayneTrain1819992025-11-09 21:11
For years I was looking forward to having Kate and Yelena interact again in Zombies, only for Kate to be vaporized before even meeting Yelena in this universe.
Brite_Syde2025-11-09 21:17
Her death was so dumb, it literally looked like they just needed to kill someone off and they just said "yk what? Kate's here, why not?"
PayneTrain1819992025-11-09 21:21
I can see why they did it, a surprising death in the first episode to show that no one is safe and they aren’t going to give everyone plot armour.
I just wish Kate wasn’t the one they chose. If you’re going to kill her, do it in episode 3 or 4 rather than before the end of episode 1.
Brite_Syde2025-11-09 21:24
Thats what I mean, the concept of a surprise death makes sense and Marvel always does them, but this time it felt cheap, rushed, and unnecessary.
PayneTrain1819992025-11-09 21:27
It was honestly worse than Taskmaster’s imo.
chomperstyle2025-11-09 22:05
Its not dumb because she never had plot armor. They are fighting captain marvel she can one tap any of them like they are ants of course somebody was going to die when the only one with plot armor is mm.
Any_Opportunity54752025-11-09 21:42
Yeah, She deserved better
nicolascagessock2025-11-09 22:34
HEY!
FX1142025-11-09 20:51
Victoria Justice
CaptHayfever2025-11-09 21:17
I see what you did there.
AdditionalBanana95852025-11-09 20:54
Neither. They've already been at it for five years with seemingly no breaks. If neither cracked during that period of time, then they never will.
Ubergoober1662025-11-09 21:05
I have to guess they've both got a finite amount of power to work with. I can't imagine Ikarus' has a "battery" that can output that kind of power for longer than Captain Marvel can.
CaptHayfever2025-11-09 21:15
Ikaris runs on the Power Cosmic; it's effectively limitless. And Captain Marvel recharges from any energy that contacts her.
Brite_Syde2025-11-09 21:17
Literally unstoppable force and immovable object
Bemxuu2025-11-09 21:57
More like both combined vs both combined
PaulineHansonsBurka2025-11-09 23:42
Hydrogen Baby vs Hydrogen Baby
Unique_Expression5742025-11-10 00:47
Coughing Bomb vs Boughing Comb
CaptHayfever2025-11-10 02:10
Thank you for reminding me to bough my comb.
PalladiuM72025-11-10 03:29
It's a very important and often neglected task
ShierAwesome2025-11-09 21:24
Since when was it stated that he runs on the Power Cosmic?
CaptHayfever2025-11-09 21:25
It was implied when he was revealed to be a robot made by Celestials.
ShierAwesome2025-11-09 21:34
Eternals would be way more OP if they have the Power Cosmic, pretty sure they got powers from a different source
Poptartgengar2025-11-09 21:41
If an a celestial made you, it would be an educated guess that they run on cosmic power. So not sure how youre so sure they got powers from a different source 😂
Vykrumsky2025-11-09 21:44
I'm sure neither of you are sure
CarryTurbulent45312025-11-09 21:47
Battle of opinions and theories
Slidingscale2025-11-09 22:03
They've been at it for 5 minutes with seemingly no breaks.
Reyne-TheAbyss2025-11-09 23:26
Phantom said the Eternals pull from an infinite well of energy powered by the celestials.
CrispyNaeem2025-11-09 21:47
[Well the Eternals said they were imbued with infinite cosmic energy from the Celestials](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/c/c3/MCUCS.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20250831180954).
Dunno if Power Cosmic = cosmic power in the sense of the Celestials, but I’d imagine it to be the case.
Either way, the Eternals run off limitless power.
PraetorGold2025-11-10 00:40
The movie implied that is how they exist.
Usual-Caregiver55892025-11-10 00:19
Also CM got her power from an infinity stone. Its in the name.
TheObstruction2025-11-10 01:58
Ikaris is functionally immortal. Carol presumably still has a normal human lifespan.
CaptHayfever2025-11-10 02:11
Zombie Carol doesn't, though.
Diortheking2025-11-09 21:59
Bro what he was made by a space god to protect their seeds lol id imagine if anyone would have that kind of battery it’d be the freaking eternals
Jaideco2025-11-09 22:08
But Ikaris is a mess. Sure, Carol is a zombie, but that makes her effectively unkillable unless you take her apart and it doesn’t doesn’t appear that Ikaris is strong enough to do that. Carol however has clearly been slowly breaking Ikaris down over all this time and sooner or later she will damage something critical. When that happens, this will finish pretty quickly.
AdditionalBanana95852025-11-09 22:26
He only looks like that way because he was partly infected. His unique biology is what keeps him from being fully transformed. So he's actually in better physical shape than she is.
Keith13092025-11-09 22:49
Ikaris wasnt infected, it was just his skin was damaged from fighting zombie captain marvel for 5 years.
_Lunafreya_2025-11-09 23:29
Na he’s just damaged half his head is gone Carol will get the job done eventually.
Especially since they were setting up for that Nova Corp blockade to be destroyed. She will probably be the one to do it in season 2.
TheDistantWave2025-11-09 23:30
I’m still confused on how Ikaris died in the sun in the MCU but whatif suggests these two are equals with Carol being able to casually restart a star.
I get they were probably trying to go the mythological. “Icarus” flew too close to the sun route. But I honestly think they could have used a better character for each of them to fight. The Inhumans fan in me wishes they put Black Bolt in Ikaris’s place and we had two Kree products going at it.
TheeFlyGuy80002025-11-09 23:54
I'm willing to bet if and when they want him to come back, he'll just leave the sun like he's been alive the whole time.
TheDistantWave2025-11-09 23:57
I hope they put more thought into it than that lol
Toa_Firox2025-11-10 00:52
That whole movie was a mess honestly. It would have flowed a whole lot better to have the Eternals fight Ikaris long enough that he could be surprise attacked and defeated by Kro. It would be a lot more believable than dying in the sun, be a fitting end for him after what he did to Ajak, and would give Kro the final Eternal he needed to become fully sentient and powerful. The remaining Eternals could have then allowed Kro to leave after a final few looks of silent unease with the understanding that both groups were but pawns to the Celestials. It'd leave the audience with a strong message of 'blame the puppeteer, forgive the puppets'.
But nah lets just bisect Kro without any meaningful dwelling on the complex narrative potential his character brought to the film and then have Ikaris be a complete incel who logged out of life because a girl doesn't love him.
DuckyHornet2025-11-10 01:39
It's whoever makes a mistake first. That's who loses.
SSB022025-11-09 20:54
Icarus is one of many, so if Arishem decides it so zombie Carol would be gone in an instant.
belladonnagilkey2025-11-10 00:24
You'd think Arishem and the others would be wondering why Tianmut's energy source suddenly turned into not so viable energy sources overnight. Maybe he hasn't seen what's going on over at Earth yet.
waaay2dumb2live2025-11-10 00:25
You know, now that I think about it, why hasn’t he sent more Eternals?
Princess_emily122025-11-10 00:59
Yeah, Gilgamesh and Makkari and Phastos (sp?) would make quick work of her
Oh and Thena
brycifer6662025-11-10 02:31
Well the others might have already been taken out by Carol we don't really know why they aren't helping
UltimateArtist8292025-11-09 20:54
How did Carol even become a zombie?
PhortDruid2025-11-09 20:57
Zombie Thanos would make sense to me
smexyrexytitan2025-11-09 21:07
Yeah but like, iirc, wasn't Zombie Thanos dealt with almost immediately as soon as he got to Earth (Wakanda)? He had no time to turn anyone except the people living in the Golden City.
TheRealPallando2025-11-09 21:37
That was the Ultron arc, in this one he's hanging in Wakanda still. It's theoretically possible he got her.
CaptHayfever2025-11-10 10:01
As Spidey recounted the tale: Zombie Thanos shows up in Wakanda, but right away he & Black Panther start fighting him, & then Thor shows up & helps too.
PhortDruid2025-11-09 21:45
I’d imagine it was pre-Earth with the damage he’d already sustained
yo_mommy2025-11-09 22:27
yeah but who would do that? Neither Tony nor Strange or Peter got to leave Earth, as they already got infected prior to the encounter with Maw in NY (and apparently Civil War likely never happened here since the Avengers were complete when they responded to the threat), and the Guardians wouldn't end up in Titan if it wasn't for them meeting Thor
deetwenty12092025-11-10 01:43
Unless there was some other lore changes that were outside of the What if and MZ episodes, then Civil War definitely did happen, as the zombie outbreak happened in Antman 2, when Hank went to the Quantum Realm.
The likely explanation for the Avengers being together would be that a global zombie apocalypse was enough for Tony to contact Steve using the phone given to him at the end of Civil War.
JohanMarek2025-11-10 00:45
I still don't understand how or when Thanos got infected in the first place. Or why he went to Wakanda (as there was no stone there as far as we are aware) or how he got the Time Stone. Honestly a lot of things in the initial setup for this whole thing don't make sense.
KMReiserFS2025-11-09 20:58
zombie Hank Pym is a menace.
OverlordOfPancakes2025-11-09 22:31
The plot had to bend over backwards on the final battle of MZ. There's just no way everyone could suddenly keep track of Hope and Hank during it.
VicRamD2025-11-09 22:02
Wanda?
Frisby_dog2025-11-09 20:56
Carol
asayys2025-11-09 20:59
Carol flies into a sun to restart it.
Ikaris flies into a sun to die.
midnightphoton2025-11-09 21:04
carol flies into a dying sun
ikaris flies into an active sun
Jarlax1e2025-11-09 21:23
Carol *turned back on the dying sun*
sweetbunsmcgee2025-11-09 21:35
Ikaris wasn’t looking for the switch.
TheDistantWave2025-11-09 23:32
Yeah Ikaris was just dying inside of it, which is the point. Carol can reignite a sun as a throwaway feat.
HEIR_JORDAN2025-11-10 00:06
Do we know that he died. What if this is the sun Ikaris.
TheDistantWave2025-11-10 00:27
Why present it like he did? And create the question of why he was gone for so long? It’s possible he didn’t but it’s presented like he did, so I wouldn’t suggest otherwise until shown
El_Presidente3762025-11-10 00:19
Carol flew out of an active one
annoyingrelieve2025-11-09 22:01
Arishem negs her also human torch can withstand a sun dosent mean he’s stronger then ikaris to
TheDistantWave2025-11-09 23:34
Comic Ikaris wouldn’t die going into the sun. He’s vastly weaker in portrayal to Carol.
Arishem should Neg her but it’s overall a pointless mention.
Electrical_Ad61342025-11-10 00:12
Ikaris power is ENERGY
Captain marvels power is BATTERY
One can absorb energy and redirect it, the other can just produce energy, its two different abilities at the same level they have the same feat
It's like saying a dude who can freeze anything and a dude who can burn anything, and saying the dude who can freeze shit is weaker cus he can't start a volcano.
They are same level different capabilities
Kamala_Husband2025-11-09 21:09
No one, that's the point of the battle of the gods
DriveFormer85772025-11-09 21:09
Are we gonna ignore the fact that a synth/robot is a zombie?
Shadowelf332025-11-09 21:12
Huh? I thought he was immune. That's why the non damaged parts of him still look human and not zombie, and didn't he save Ms Marvel at one point?
DriveFormer85772025-11-09 21:24
Oh you right. Don’t remember the saving part. Might rewatch it today or later.
Shadowelf332025-11-09 21:27
I could be wrong on that part, I was a little inebriated when I watched lol
DriveFormer85772025-11-09 21:52
You used a word I’m unfamiliar with. Racist. 😔
janesy242025-11-09 21:39
He’s not, he’s essentially being the universes saviour by stopping Captain Marvel from leaving the planet.
CuteLingonberry97042025-11-09 21:12
Haven't seen it, but if the fight gets close to the Sun (does it?) then Captain Marvel would win, as she's already demonstrated that a star won't hurt her(on the contrary, light makes her more powerful. I imagine it would be like Superman sun dipping).
waaay2dumb2live2025-11-10 00:27
They never leave Earth. Their whole battleground is called “The Valley of the Broken Gods” by Khonshu.
mumra6842025-11-09 21:24
I thought he was Adam Warlock, hahaha eternal exist.
Dhamos2025-11-09 23:30
Me too! When I watched Eternals, I don't know that Ikarus has Captain Marvel level of power
ciknay2025-11-10 00:09
I thought the same at first. I had to go back and pause his intro scene and look up stuff.
Turbulent-Spirit-5682025-11-09 21:25
Ikaris = Captain Marvel in power levels
Handsoff_12025-11-09 21:48
I always find it so weird that if this zombie virus is such a threat that needs to be contained, why won't Celestial just blip it out of existence? Aren't they able to warp reality too? Or completely annihilate Earth with their energy or something or create a blackhole and suck everything in? Like they could have done so much faster and easier, why bother asking Ikaris to "keep Carol contained". The MCU logic is frustrating.
CarryTurbulent45312025-11-09 21:56
I think of it as even the super-beings of the universe are still just ants to celestials.
Starforge172025-11-09 21:56
Arishem likely doesn’t want to get his hands dirty and told ikaris to deal with her and sees earth as a salvageable
Informal_Nobody_12402025-11-09 21:49
Tús
Primus71127652025-11-09 22:07
Neither. That's the fucking point.
stationstars2025-11-09 22:16
So there immortal?
Defiant-Analyst42792025-11-09 23:22
Zombie Carol wins.
The damage to Ikarus suggests that initially, he was fighting to win, but took some substantial hits/damage, which is what prompted the change think tactics to a "stalemate."
Additionally, the horde tracking Kamala would've passed through the valley, and Zombie Okoye likely would've wanted another powerful Scion on their ranks.
The horde likely would've had Abomination start throwing some cannon fodder at Ikarus to distract him and help Carol over power him.
_Lunafreya_2025-11-09 23:30
Carol will get the job done eventually. Half of Ikaris’ face is missing.
I think she will play a pivotal role in infecting the rest of the universe in season 2
waaay2dumb2live2025-11-10 00:27
Carol’s damaged too though, about the same amount as Ikarus if we’re being serious
appswithasideofbooty2025-11-10 01:00
Ya but she’s a zombie and he isn’t. All the zombies look messed up
_Lunafreya_2025-11-10 01:10
Agreed. And if we’re being real she isn’t damaged at all by Ikaris it’s just her suit.
FreddyPlayz2025-11-09 23:38
Ikaris will lose eventually. Obviously it’ll take a very long time, they already were at it for 5 years, but he’s visibly damaged, while Carol isn’t. He won’t be able to keep it up forever.
SolomonOf477042025-11-10 05:08
I can see Carol's spine.
ModernBass2025-11-10 00:35
I know the answer most people are saying is neither, but...It seems ikaris definitely is slowly taking more and more damage. I think he could lose if this goes on for a couple hundred more years
Princess_emily122025-11-10 00:52
Ikaris wasn’t that damaged though. Friday said he was heavily damaged but not to that extent.
kawaiinessa2025-11-10 01:04
eventually icarus once arishem figures out whats going on
tossawaysexter2025-11-10 01:07
Neither. Ikaris is perfectly equal to Captain marvel in terms of every stat, Thats Why they neither can beat the other and Thats the point of the valley of the broken gods
AwesomeGuy8472025-11-10 01:26
Where the hell are the other Eternals now thst I think of it.
SadHumbleFlower272025-11-10 02:06
My theory is that the battle started 5 years ago with all 10 of them. Over the years, Captain Marvel killed them off until only Ikaris was left.
NoChampionship11672025-11-10 01:57
Wouldn't Captain Marvel win with enough time? I don't know if much about the Eternals, but since Ikarus is a machine, couldn't he eventually get damaged so much that he can't fight Marvel anymore? Especially since it looks like Marvel is not super damaged herself.
0LoveAnonymous02025-11-10 01:58
No one wins
Common_Obligation8682025-11-10 03:46
If captain marvel continues fighting, she might get outclassed since she mostly needs to absorb energy to grow stronger, ikaris can just fight her purely with physical strength to drain her reserves of energy.
tehCharo2025-11-10 04:11
Them making the Eternals actual machines was so dumb.
neoshark752025-11-10 06:53
I cautiously say Captain Marvel. Ikaris likely isn't stronger than her, but he's durable enough to survive her attacks, and she's stupid enough to not be able to exploit his circuitry. But she's also done way more damage over time. 5 years of non-stop fighting have shredded half of Ikaris's body and only burnt off some of her suit. Eventually, she is going to tear him to pieces and then will undoubtedly become the most powerful Zombie on the planet. But that will likely not be for another 5-10 years (Or unless Wanada hijacks her body and sends her on a killing spree)
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even the strongest can fall to someone weaker, like in multiverse of madness when wong threw a rock at wanda and broke her spleen
Kate bishop
I just wish Kate wasn’t the one they chose. If you’re going to kill her, do it in episode 3 or 4 rather than before the end of episode 1.
Dunno if Power Cosmic = cosmic power in the sense of the Celestials, but I’d imagine it to be the case.
Either way, the Eternals run off limitless power.
Especially since they were setting up for that Nova Corp blockade to be destroyed. She will probably be the one to do it in season 2.
I get they were probably trying to go the mythological. “Icarus” flew too close to the sun route. But I honestly think they could have used a better character for each of them to fight. The Inhumans fan in me wishes they put Black Bolt in Ikaris’s place and we had two Kree products going at it.
But nah lets just bisect Kro without any meaningful dwelling on the complex narrative potential his character brought to the film and then have Ikaris be a complete incel who logged out of life because a girl doesn't love him.
Oh and Thena
The likely explanation for the Avengers being together would be that a global zombie apocalypse was enough for Tony to contact Steve using the phone given to him at the end of Civil War.
Ikaris flies into a sun to die.
ikaris flies into an active sun
Arishem should Neg her but it’s overall a pointless mention.
Captain marvels power is BATTERY
One can absorb energy and redirect it, the other can just produce energy, its two different abilities at the same level they have the same feat
It's like saying a dude who can freeze anything and a dude who can burn anything, and saying the dude who can freeze shit is weaker cus he can't start a volcano.
They are same level different capabilities
The damage to Ikarus suggests that initially, he was fighting to win, but took some substantial hits/damage, which is what prompted the change think tactics to a "stalemate."
Additionally, the horde tracking Kamala would've passed through the valley, and Zombie Okoye likely would've wanted another powerful Scion on their ranks.
The horde likely would've had Abomination start throwing some cannon fodder at Ikarus to distract him and help Carol over power him.
I think she will play a pivotal role in infecting the rest of the universe in season 2
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